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    Yardages in course designer vs yardages in Scorecard in Simulation (Steam)

    Hi all,
    I have placed the tees to exactly match the yardage shown on the original scorecard. Checking it in the course designer, the "Total Yardages", Red, Green, White, Blue match the total yardages of the scorecard. However, when playing in Sim (from "My unpublished courses"), the scorecard in the Sim shows different total yardages. Comparing hole by hole, some, but not all of them, are off. Is there a way to avoid that discrepancy, or do you leave it just as it comes out in the Sim?
    Thanks!

    Course designer:
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    Sim play:
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    Last edited by kgcrob; 03-15-2021, 02:16 PM.
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  • #2
    Looks like a consistent 8 or 9 yards per tee set. Not really a major difference but it is odd, I would think that they would show the same. Honestly have never compared them before.
    My published Courses, all Lidar:

    My Early Courses:
    Boyne Arthur Hills Lidar2
    Boyne Donald Ross LidarV2
    Boyne Moor Lidar
    BoyneHeather5T Lidar V2
    CalderoneFarmsLidar5T2Pin
    Lake Erie Metro Lidar3
    Marco Island CC Lidar3
    Willow Metropark Lidar5
    Wyandotte Shore Lidar2

    Later Courses:
    Fraserglen Golf Course, British Columbia
    Meadowbrook Northville (L)
    The Glen (Illinois) Lidar
    Deer Park Estate GC, Scotland
    Green Craig Point GC, Scotland
    Red Rock GC Las Vegas MTN
    Ottumwa Country Club
    And Many More...

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    • #3
      It came up, when I finally compared the yardages on the original scorcard against the sim play. I read somewhere, that the sim yardages should match real life yardages. Question would be, how important is it to players to have identical yardages?
      For the course I'm designing now, it probably doesn't matter, as the course is gone anyway. However, what about for existing courses?

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      • #4
        In the sim a distance is tee to waypoint to pin. In real life it's back of tee deck to waypoint to middle of green. Depending where you pin, waypoint and tee is it'll be hard to match a real course.
        My Courses:
        World Par 3's by mthunt
        Toronto GC (L) mthunt
        Burlington G&CC by mthunt
        Weston G&CC by mthunt
        London Hunt Club L mthunt
        Park CC Lidar mthunt
        Sunningdale GC Robinson L
        Sunningdale GC Thompson L
        Muirfield Village (liDAR) First Ever Lidar course
        Country Club of Castle Pines (liDAR)
        The Sanctuary GC ProTee L
        The National GC L mthunt
        Mississaugua GC L mthunt
        Shaughnessy G&CC L mthunt
        Markland Woods CC mthunt
        Hidden Lake Old L mthunt
        Magna GC L mthunt
        Barrie CC L mthunt
        mthunt Range

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        • kgcrob
          #4.1
          kgcrob commented
          03-15-2021, 03:28 PM
          Editing a comment
          OK, I understand it's hard to get real life yardages in the sim. I can live with that.
          However, what confuses me is, that the yardages in the designer are not the same as the yardages in the sim.
        • jpotas
          #4.2
          jpotas commented
          03-15-2021, 03:30 PM
          Editing a comment
          Agreed, but why wouldn't the Sim scorecard match his designer yardages though?
        • mthunt
          #4.3
          mthunt commented
          03-15-2021, 04:25 PM
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          The only thing I can think of is it's a different set of pins than the scorecard. No idea other than that.
      • #5
        They will match real life yardages, OSM and lidar won't lie! Real life scorecards are almost always off slightly just because all measurements are center of tee to center of pin, yet tees and pins are almost never dead center.

        I don't understand why your Sim scorecard does not match your designer scorecard, I assume that the designer has to feed all the info to the course file. I will be watching this thread closely.
        My published Courses, all Lidar:

        My Early Courses:
        Boyne Arthur Hills Lidar2
        Boyne Donald Ross LidarV2
        Boyne Moor Lidar
        BoyneHeather5T Lidar V2
        CalderoneFarmsLidar5T2Pin
        Lake Erie Metro Lidar3
        Marco Island CC Lidar3
        Willow Metropark Lidar5
        Wyandotte Shore Lidar2

        Later Courses:
        Fraserglen Golf Course, British Columbia
        Meadowbrook Northville (L)
        The Glen (Illinois) Lidar
        Deer Park Estate GC, Scotland
        Green Craig Point GC, Scotland
        Red Rock GC Las Vegas MTN
        Ottumwa Country Club
        And Many More...

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        • #6
          Just a guess: the designer measures to center of green (either waypoint or perhaps average of all pin placements) and course scorecard measures to selected pin set being played? That would explain the (nearly negligible) difference between the numbers seen in your screenshots.
          TGC2019 Courses:

          A No Go Club Par 3 v4
          Blue Mash GC v3
          Columbia CC MD v3
          Hampshire Greens GC v3
          Hayfields CC v1
          Maryland National v2
          Needwood GC v2
          Newport National GC v3
          Norbeck CC MD v2
          Northwest GC v3
          PB Dye GC v4
          Raspberry Falls v1
          Rose Hill Golf Club v1
          Sligo Creek GC v2
          The Bad Little Nine v2
          Turf Valley Hialeah v2
          U of Maryland UMD v4
          Whiskey Creek MD v2

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          • jpotas
            #6.1
            jpotas commented
            03-15-2021, 04:00 PM
            Editing a comment
            I don't think the Designer averages because it shows all four tee sets individually.

            EDIT: Thinking about this, the idea of waypoint vs. pin set could be it. Especially if a pin was moved but the waypoint was not. The yardage is so close that it could be from 1 hole.
            Last edited by jpotas; 03-15-2021, 04:10 PM.
          • kgcrob
            #6.2
            kgcrob commented
            03-15-2021, 04:21 PM
            Editing a comment
            I have moved some pins away from the centered waypoint. Let me see, if I can find a correlation between a centered pin and a moved pin.
        • #7
          Originally posted by interpathway View Post
          Just a guess: the designer measures to center of green (either waypoint or perhaps average of all pin placements) and course scorecard measures to selected pin set being played? That would explain the (nearly negligible) difference between the numbers seen in your screenshots.
          Maybe he has waypoints on the greens that do not match pin 1.
          My Courses:
          World Par 3's by mthunt
          Toronto GC (L) mthunt
          Burlington G&CC by mthunt
          Weston G&CC by mthunt
          London Hunt Club L mthunt
          Park CC Lidar mthunt
          Sunningdale GC Robinson L
          Sunningdale GC Thompson L
          Muirfield Village (liDAR) First Ever Lidar course
          Country Club of Castle Pines (liDAR)
          The Sanctuary GC ProTee L
          The National GC L mthunt
          Mississaugua GC L mthunt
          Shaughnessy G&CC L mthunt
          Markland Woods CC mthunt
          Hidden Lake Old L mthunt
          Magna GC L mthunt
          Barrie CC L mthunt
          mthunt Range

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          • kgcrob
            #7.1
            kgcrob commented
            03-15-2021, 04:43 PM
            Editing a comment
            You are right, I have waypoints on the green that do not match Pin 1, as I was thinking, the waypoint needs to be centered, but not necessarily pin 1. I will now delete the tees of one hole completely and rebuild again and leave pin 1 centered. Let's see what I will get.
        • #8
          I deleted all four tees of hole 4, saved the course and added them then again. I placed pin 1 as waypoint. The yardages did change a bit with pin 1 as waypoint compared to the sim, but would still not match the yardages of the designer. While its not a significant difference, it's good to know there might be a difference to a design, based on yardages taken from the original scorcard.

          With pin 1 as waypoint position, I got below differences, about 1 foot, on some of the tees. Overall, it added up to around 8 to 10 feet per tee. It always adds up in the simulator.
          Designer Simulation
          Red: 280 281
          Green: 324 325
          White: 361 361
          Blue: 382 382

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