Mevo+ Clubhead Speed/Ball Speed issues

[Kanuknuk]

Hey guys, only had the Mevo+ for a month or so with intermittent use, but do have some concerns that my unit or setup may be giving some inaccurate numbers. Setup is in the garage with 8' from Mevo to ball, and roughly 10' ball to screen. Hitting off a small platform but Mevo+ is elevated to match the height. Only lighting is one overhead LED spotlight, and projector is mounted on the back wall of the garage above the Mevo+. Very few misreads but spin measurements do show italic about 10% of the time give or take, so overall setup seems to be working out ok?

Now onto the issue at hand, I do hit the ball a long way but I'm getting some very high club head speeds, PW 96-100mph, 5i 105-109ish, but very low smash factor, 1.1-1.25 often. For reference on the course I play my PW as my 150 club, and 5i as 200-205 in calm conditions at sea level. I may not be the best ball striker around, and do hit plenty a groove or two thin admittedly, but I just can't seem to get my smash factor anywhere near what I'm expecting as average for my irons/wedges.

Has anyone had abnormally high club head readings, or in the case that I actually am generating those speeds, how likely is it that the ball speeds would be lagging that far behind. Open to any and all solutions/feedback. Thanks!

[iacas]

You're likely not generating those speeds. PGA Tour average with a 7I is 90-92 with about 1.33 smash.

[Kanuknuk]

I don't disagree with that at all. Question then is, what could be causing misreads that significant? Everything I've read is that Mevo+ is very accurate with club head and ball speeds, but also believe it's setup reliant?

[Dan13]

If I understand your set up correctly you have created a "valley" between the M+ and the ball to get them on the same level. Try putting the M+ on the ground and entering the elevation difference into the app. That is set up recommended set up from Flightscope. Creating the valley between the two is not recommended.

[Kanuknuk]

Good to know, I'll try that today and report back if there are any changes. Appreciate the input!

[patexan]

agree. The setup guide says to put the mevo on the floor and put in a gap in the setup tool or make sure there is no gap between ball and mevo plus. Having the gap could cause issues.

[Kanuknuk]

So I tried a few different setups including the current one, and got a few small differences, but largely remained the same with regards to club head and ball speed, give or take at least. About 45 degrees outside, so garage is a bit cold, but didn't use local weather in the app. FWIW on course I know I'm a fairly high spin player and higher launch player, tend to flip a lot more than I'd like, so I know that explains some of the launch parameters not being ideal, and while I welcome any feedback on those, more focused on getting those speeds accurate, or at least in the ball park of true accuracy. Please let me know if you see anything that stands out here, or other suggestions to try.

The only ones that stood out as complete misreads in ball flight were back to back 5i with Mevo+ on ground and adjusted for mat height from 8ft distance. I am prone to some big draw/hooks, but those two swings definitely didn't fit that miss. Also these were all 'fairly' well struck shots, maybe not pured, but I left out the hacker bladed swings

A bit pic heavy, apologies.

Current setup is with that valley between the hitting mat/platform and Mevo+ at 8ft ball to Mevo+. Then dropped Mevo+ down to ground level and adjusted up 3" to account for platform. Then dropped the mat to ground (mat is 1-1.5" thick fyi) at 8' to Mevo+. Then reduced to 7ft ball to Mevo+. Then adjusted Mevo+ 2" to account for mat and small slope in the garage at 7ft.

[bubbtubbs]

Which pictures are with which setups? I understood your three different methods but it's hard to tell from the photographs. Even just saying #1-3 are X, 4-5 are Y, etc.

I don't know your normal spin profile or club lofts, but I think it's fairly safe to say that +10k rpm is an obvious reading problem with 5i, unless those were wedge shots? (though the CHS seems high for that)

[Kanuknuk]

Sorry I renamed the files and hoped they would show as such, beginners mistake apparently. The 10k+ rpm are all definitely with PW, 5i more in the 5-6k range with some variation. The CHS is the issue I'm chasing here, and/or ball speed/carry. I do swing fairly fast, but still inclined to think the CHS numbers are the issue at hand here, and while I'd love to have that CHS, I'd rather find out it's severely inflated if it means true accuracy for long term use.

1-2 are my current setup with the valley between and no height adjustment.

3-5 are with Mevo+ on ground but still hitting off the platform with 3" height adjustment.
6-9 are with Mevo+ on ground and hitting off the mat on the ground as well with no adjustment to height settings.
10-11 are mat and Mevo+ on ground with no height adjustment from 7ft though.
12-13 are same setup as 10-11 but height adjusted 2" to account for mat and slight slope in garage.

[Kanuknuk]

FWIW Irons are Titleist 718MB's, standard lie/loft, +3/4 length, X100 shafts (can't remember if they were hard stepped or not?)

[preludesam]

I am no expert but I wonder if it is off really that much. I find I get a much higher swing speed with a more negative AoA as well but my ball speed drops. I am not knocking your swing by any means. You are way above the tour average but that much negative AoA could have some serious effects on the energy you are getting into the ball. You couple this with off-center strikes and ball speed goes down.

Just curious have you tried any testing with hitting off a tee? I would like to see if the ball speed goes up if the impact location gets more centered. Also, try moving the ball more forward in your stance on a tee and see if changing the AoA has any drastic impact on ball speed. Just for testing purposes, of course not suggesting it as a swing fix.

Do you have anything in the radars viewing area that could mess with it? The biggest culprits are fans or anything metallic that rotates/oscillates. They recommend placing wire mesh around items like this to give the radar a blank canvass for reading moving objects. Flightscope has tech support where they can view the radar image and let you know if something is interfering with the radar.

Btw, I get where you are coming from. It does appear you are either crazy fast or it is off. Honestly, I am hoping for the crazy fast. I think it would be easier to change AoA than to gain that amount of speed with a 5-iron. Holy crap...

[Kanuknuk]

Appreciate the input, and I'm probably 100% guilty of being steep, coupled with less than perfect contact, like I said just not sure it's enough to justify the smash factor discrepancies? That being said I haven't hit anything other than driver off the tee with the Mevo+, so I can definitely give that a try and see what numbers it spits out at me, both with normal ball position and I'll try moving the ball up in my stance just for experiment purposes. Will report back after I hit some later today.

It is set up in the garage so there is some metal around with golf cart off to the side and water heater on the back wall, but nothing in motion whatsoever. Good to know about Flightscope being able to view the radar image, will definitely go that route if this continues to be a 'problem' if you will.

[preludesam]

Your comment about +3/4 length shafts suggests to me you are really tall. Effectively you have longer levers (arms) so I am starting to lean towards you have the speed. You're also playing an MB iron. They are extremely punishing for off-center hits.

[barwick11]

I'm not sure, but are you properly de-lofting the 5I at impact? That could cause the ball to impact far lower on the face than you'd like, which would reduce the smash factor. I'm not sure what my ball speeds are, but my 7I at 85 to 90 mph swing speed carries about 165-170 on my Mevo+. I haven't swung my new 5I but I'm presuming it's maybe 77 to 92 mph ish™ and 185-190, so if you're actually swinging that 110 mph you should be getting FAR more distance with the 5I than I am.

[Kanuknuk]

Not going to say 1000% not delofting the 5i, or frankly any of my clubs for that matter as my swing is a bit of a mess now and almost positive still casting/flipping a decent amount, constant battle of mine. Completely agree on the math, should be hitting 220+ at least in theory with those clubhead speeds, but like I said I'm usually playing my 5i from 200-205 in normal conditions on a course. I will occasionally pure one with a flatter trajectory and fly a green here or there, but not all that common.

[Kanuknuk]

So tried a few with both 5i and PW teed up and tried to move it forward in my stance a bit too (feels ridiculous as I usually play a ball or more back of textbook setup), and did see a bit of a difference, but nothing mind blowing I don't think?

I did this with mat on the ground and teed up 1/2 inch or so, mevo+ at 8ft to ball and adjusted for 2" height difference with mat. Did have a few spin misreads (attached a couple that clearly are misreads overall with abnormal distances as well), but there is one that says it was a legit read with PW and spin is much much lower than my other swings(happened to be my first swing off the tee also).

Thoughts on any changes here worth chasing? Or should I just be contacting flightscope at this point for radar view assistance?

[bubbtubbs]

Did you ever sort this out?

[Kanuknuk]

Nothing concrete yet, tried a couple different setup variations, and will continue to try some more. Will also try more off the tee to see if that helps shallow out some AoA numbers and if there are any differences with club/ball speed numbers as a result. Still open to any other ideas though, otherwise will reach out to Flightscope sometime soon and see if they have any insight

[tinker812]

since the most recent update, the M+ sometimes seems spot on and other times seems way slow - ball speed and to a lesser extent club speed (smash down). my latest theory is the device needs to be as close to perfectly level as possible. So, i get it as close to 12 degrees tilt and (maybe most importantly) 0 degrees level prior to playing. seems to help, but who knows!