Add on camera for flightscope

[sorensen]

Henri Johnson. We supply an Add-on camera and processor that works wirelessly with the FS Elite but it is far superior to the HMT. We provide an actual image of the face just post impact as the ball left , showing the ACTUAL ball mark on the face and not a calculated impact based on stickers. The camera is HD but it is used u initially to show the actual ball mark on the face. There are no other metrics derived from the club images at the outset but of course this will evolve. Our idea was to capture the actual club just after impact to show the ball Mark on the live image and not any calculated impact point like others. Positioned somewhat to the font/side and price to be announced at the PGA Show. I am leaking some tech details to the user group of course . The idea is to initially just show the actual ball mark on the club face along with the FS measured club and ball data. It is up to the user to decide how the impact position on the face is used with the FS measured data. In time we will provide more metrics as needed and personally I believe this tool is going to be a great help. The face picture with ball mark is saved with FS data and can be viewed afterwards per shot. Demo at PGA Show Jan 16 and on market within 8 weeks after. We will make it compatible with X2 Copied from Flight Scope User Group Facebook. Very interesting, but will probably cost, the tip of a moon rocket :-)

[billydruce]

Personally I don't see the point, all you need is a tin of athletes foot spray, does same thing

[sorensen]

Personally I don't see the point, all you need is a tin of athletes foot spray, does same thing

Yes you are 100% right, compared to the price difference. Is it not possible to dip the ball in a little fine powder and turn the area against the striking surface, I have never tried any of the options, but would just think that it is easier to dip the ball ???

[Bubba22]

Soren, what is the point of this camera device?

[sorensen]

Soren, what is the point of this camera device?

to get the point of impact on the club, is my guess, like HMT for GC2. And probably later more data from the camera. Point of impact is an important factor especially on a driver. But of course for simulation play there is no advantage

[Bubba22]

No advantage for simulation. Teaching and club fitting, yes. If you would ge a picture of the club right at impact, then that would be more helpful. What other metrics will you capture? Will these metrics be based after club contact? I am a big fan of club data but it needs to be reliable and usable. Roughly how much are we talking here?

[billydruce]

I might be wrong so please correct me if I am. The flightscope gives you all the swing data not the camera.

Swing Data from flightscope x2
Club Speed
Club Speed Profile
Club Acceleration Profile
Face Angle
Face to Path
Dynamic Loft
Angle of Attack
Club Path
Vertical Swing Plane
Horizontal Swing Plane

Basically the only info the unit doesn't provide is the ball on face impact position. Hence the camera. Like I said though, foot spray (or dipping the ball) does the same job as the camera. Personally I always spray the club face when practicing because as we all know consistent centre contact is a key aspect for control.

The only possible benefit I can really see for the camera is when using the flightscope indoors. If flightscope quantify the impact position they could possibly included the impact data in the calculations used To estimate spin axis. Include gearing in the calculation

[Bubba22]

I personally use impact tape. Face impact position and gear effect is complex, I think as a whole we are just getting to understand it through Trackman/Tutelman etc. How it plays into determining spin axis may be used by Flightscope for indoor spin determination however it would truly only be an estimation not a direct determination. This is because every club will have different bulge and roll so the effect on spin from one club to another would be different.

[fhann]

Hi Bubba

Face impact tape can alter spin measurment greatly vs foot powder. i have recorded spin measurements reduced as much as 1900 rpm due to face tape vs foot powder for my 6 iron clubfitting system.

[Skedaddle]

Real advantage is you can monitor over a range of shots and check your progress and averages. You can't do this with spray and i's also a lot less accurate. Strike is such an important parameter (arguably the most important) congrats to Flightscope for adding this ahead of TM. They have to have an answer to HMT as it's realised more and more the importance of this measurement. Also wonder whether ball flight for indoor use will be tweaked for gear effect picked up by strike (currently just uses the FTP relationship and you better hope you hit it in the middle as otherwise you driver ball flight won't be that accurate indoors)

[wbond]

Not sure I understand your comment, how is spray less accurate?

[fhann]

I am replying to skedaddles comment:

"Also wonder whether ball flight for indoor use will be tweaked for gear effect picked up by strike (currently just uses the FTP relationship and you better hope you hit it in the middle as otherwise you driver ball flight won't be that accurate indoors"

The ball is measured ifor spin and spin axis plus ball speed and trajectory. Once the ball is struck then the gear effect is imparted to the ball and hence measured and accounted for. The metrics are collected and assembled within Flightscope's ball flight algorithm and outputted as a path. Gear affect is accounted for within the measurement of the ball. You may not agree with Flightscope algorithm but if you distrust it , it must be distrusted for all shots, not just shots from clubs with bulge and roll that apply additional gear effect phenomena as compared to flat faced irons.

[billydruce]

spray is 100% accurate unless you keep hitting balls without re-sprayin. And this is only a problem if your striking is inconsistent. As for records spray and a brain is all you need for that.Now if they can work out gearing for indoor use that could be useful.

[fhann]

See my comments above regarding perceived inaccuracy indoors due to imparting gear effect on the ball. Gear effect is accounted for once the ball leaves the club face. Spin is measured that incorporates gear effect. No additional forces are imparted to the ball other than lift and drag which has been modelled within the ball flight algorithm.

[sorensen]

See my comments above regarding perceived inaccuracy indoors due to imparting gear effect on the ball. Gear effect is accounted for once the ball leaves the club face. Spin is measured that incorporates gear effect. No additional forces are imparted to the ball other than lift and drag which has been modelled within the ball flight algorithm.

I think there has been much discussion on the flightscope measures sidespin on the ball, or use the face angels, to calculate the side spin when set for indoor. And I believe that the outcome of the discussion was that indoor, clubpath is used to predict sidespin

[sorensen]

Real advantage is you can monitor over a range of shots and check your progress and averages. You can't do this with spray and i's also a lot less accurate. Strike is such an important parameter (arguably the most important) congrats to Flightscope for adding this ahead of TM. They have to have an answer to HMT as it's realised more and more the importance of this measurement. Also wonder whether ball flight for indoor use will be tweaked for gear effect picked up by strike (currently just uses the FTP relationship and you better hope you hit it in the middle as otherwise you driver ball flight won't be that accurate indoors)

Yes you are right there, and perhaps later, the camera also measure clubhead closure rate, I'm actually quite impressed, but I'm afraid the price is high. But I do not understand you mean foot sprays are less accurate