GCQuad flight vs club data

[AlwayzLearnin]

Hi all. I just picked up a GCQuad and so far it's been great. But a few times I've seen something like the screenshots attached.


In-to-out path, open face to path, resulting in a draw ball flight.

I would have thought that would be a fade for sure. Can someone explain how this works?

[LEO MODE]

In to out Club Path can cause draws. Open Face to Path just means the ball will start from the right (assuming Club Path was out to in but Face Angle having more effect) and will have nothing to do with the ball Spin Axis tilting left in my experience (although they say they do). More so for me were with Club Path, Lie Angle (toe down) and toe sided impacted shots. I think this is a normal result.

So wasn't this a baby draw starting from the right but coming back to the center line?

[AlwayzLearnin]

My understanding of ball flight (excluding gear effect) was that a closed face to path will draw. Open face to path will cut.

In this instance it's an open face to path so expected a cut. But what is even more strange is the start line is left of the target line. So it didn't start out right and draw back to centre. It started left and continued further left.

As face angle represents something like 80 or 90% of the start direction I can't see how this shot could have started left either.

[LEO MODE]

I would think because within FSX the ball animation doesn’t account for any club data. So since Launch Direction was negative and Spin Axis was also negative that explains your phenomenon.

You are right in general that’s the right way to interpret Face to Path and Spin Axis relationship but I’ve seen many instances where open face to path still resulted in draw due to many other elements. For me Club Path played more role.

For your shot in particular I think maybe Face Angle was not read properly. For an iron Face Angle to Launch Direction relationship is less than what you mentioned. I was just assuming based on the fact that everything was read correctly. In that case I would expect roughly about -2.5 Face Angle assuming Launch Direction was correct which would then create a negative FTP and correct relationship. Strange indeed.

[mmlincon]

Two things come to mind on this one. One it could be a misread. 18* open is massive. Did you hit the ground hard? Your face could've been opened up at impact and then the hosel flipped around at impact so you are seeing two different states of the shot. The club data is taken just before impact and the ball data after. That would be a pretty big face rotation in a very short period of time though. Any you certainly can have a draw with an open face but getting one with an 18* open face would be nearly impossible I would think. At the end of the day go with the ball data as it's what matters most.

[Baller]

A closed face RELATIVE to the path with cause a draw, not a closed face. A closed face will cause a hook.

if your path is in to out 5 degrees and your face is 4 degrees open, the ball will draw. Make sense?

if you swing out to in 6 degrees and your face is closed 5 degrees, your ball will fade.

Get that?

BUT, looking at that shot above, it doesn’t fit into that. But it may be that left side spin you have on it.

[Bubba22]

Face to path is quite open so it really should fade unless there is gear effect. My guesse is a misread. As mmlincon said, that is a very open club face. As well, what was your ball direction? Usually the face angle would more determine the ball direction (again given gear effect) which doesn’t look that far to the right as your open face angle.

[sorensen]

How did the contact feel ??? maybe the heel went in the mat, it's only a machine, can certainly be cheated by a club head doing strange things

[AlwayzLearnin]

A misread is what I'm leaning towards too. I can't remember the exact shot, but I'm messing with my swing and hitting a number of them very heavy. That seems like the most likely explanation.

Pretty sure I'm not leaving the face 'that' open

[Baller]

I have 44,000 shots on my quad. I don't remember one single misread.

Not likely.

[Baller]

Before this, I had Protee and then ES16. Wish I went to GC2 instead of the ES16, but live and learn. I think the Quad is the best thing ever. I know the Gc2 is great, but I never liked the two part setup with the HMT idea (and having two kids around to bump into it). The Quad is SUPER portable (not tiny or light, but super portable and very easy to move around, and solid as a tank), the battery lasts forever if you use it (I usually have mine plugged in with the battery out so I don't age the battery and battery just sits in the backpack for when I want to take it to the range or be able to move the quad to the other side of the mat for my lefty daughter. I can connect via Wifi, USB, or Ethernet to my computer, the hitting area is HUGE, and it works everywhere and is spot on accurate. I've thought about other things in the past, like Trackman, but one day I had a fitting and had my quad with me and the range said we had to hit driver into t a net that day. Trackman didn't give any data. It needed more ball flight. Quad gave all the data, as expected.

Of course it was an issue that quad needed third party software for some people to be happy, and now that's an option. That was a hesitation for me at first, but my game has moved forward leaps and bounds in the time I've had my quad and it's all due to the accuracy and the tools on FSX, like the Skills Challenge and the Inside 6 feet.

[AlwayzLearnin]

I agree with Baller. I've had the Skytrak, and Flightscope Xi Tour and for indoor use, the GCQuad is already showing itself to be much more reliable (after only 2 days use). Xi Tour could have been great, but I only had limited space in my sim and it was borderline what they require for short indoor mode.

Baller, what HC were you before you got yours and what are you now?

[Baller]

I was between a 10-11 and I couldn’t break through below 10. I broke through within 6 months of having it. I’m now a 7.8 and to get lower it’s much more than just having accurate feedback, but I’m working on it. At least I know that what I work on and what results I have while I practice, is really what I can do.