GC Quad club data on slope garage floor

[GullLakeMi]

Recently got Quad and club data. Lie angle more “down” than I expected. Dawned on me that my mat slopes from my feet slightly down towards ball/tee (cement slopes towards floor drain). Not enough to notice naturally, but shows on a level. Could this be contributing to lie angle reading?

Sure seems possible if you had an extreme side hill lie and level launch monitor.

[MongoOnlyPawn]

You are referring to the 'toe up/level/down" data, correct? How many degrees down is it reading? I'm thinking if your floor is more than a degree of slope from side to side that's pretty drastic. A 1/4 bubble offset on a 4" level is I/4", that's a lot side to side, could be an issue. Have you looked at your club lie angle when you are addressing the ball? Perhaps the issue is starting there. Also, check the dots ("fiducials" in GCQ jargon), make sure the middle toe and the single heel dots are on the same groove.

[GullLakeMi]

Yes. Getting toe down readings. Not a big surprise as my divots show that IRL. Middle irons are often reading 4 degrees down. I don't have perspective on that, but seems like a lot. Fiducials seem well placed and at least partially negated as issue since multiple clubs show same result. A 48" level is off 3/4", which I think is about 1 degree.

I've tried swinging different, but can't seem to sustain change through impact. I understand longer clubs (1/2" longer translates to 1 degree upright) and/or more upright lie could help.

At risk of jumping to conclusions, I could take 4 down average less 1 for floor slope and try to fix 3 degrees. Seems like that would be a big club change.

Do good golfers really strive for flat sole at impact or is some up or down typical based on personal swing?

[jasonreg]

Have you checked the lie angle of your clubs? Most clubs can be bent +/- a few degrees .... maybe something to have a look at.

[delaloi]

This is something I have looked at a lot. 4 degrees toe down is not so dramatic that you need to suspect misreads or floor effects. It could be your swing, and you could get those kinds of numbers even if you are a pretty good golfer. If you see toe-down divots on the golf course, 4 degrees down on the Quad is very plausible.

Many players (including me) struggle to keep the lead hip back and prevent their pelvis from approaching the ball during the downswing. If you approach the ball, your hands also get pushed outward toward the ball and slightly higher, which makes you push the toe of the club down in order to make contact. I have that tendency. So I watch lie angle all the time as it tells me how I am doing with keeping my hips back.

As for whether the lie angle 'should' be zero, it seems to me naturally that must be the ideal. But a couple degrees tilt on the clubhead at impact is going to have a very small effect on where the ball impacts on the face, and a small effect on face angle. You can still hit a lot of good shots at 5 degrees toe down. I strive for zero, but mainly because it tells me I am moving my body correctly.

I would not bend clubs more than 2 degrees up or down. Fix your swing.

[MongoOnlyPawn]

Shaft flex also influences lie angle. If you have a high swing speed, the shaft flexes down and the head moves toward you, resulting in a bit of a drop at the toe also. Ever seen a good player's slow mo vids from face on? The club shaft definitely an arc to it, it doesn't remain straight, and that arc leads to a toe down situation.

..."Do good golfers really strive for flat sole at impact or is some up or down typical based on personal swing? ">>>> Yes, both actually!<<<<" The good golfers that can shape shots are purposely hitting the ball with a toe up or toe down orientation. I don't believe that's what they key on, but it is part of what is happening. You can bet they have little deviation when they hit those dead straight shots.

I agree with delaloi, everything else being neutral, I wouldn't get to aggressive adjusting the clubs, as jasonreg said, a degree or two is something you could think about.. If you begin to hit shots with a neutral swing path, neutral face angle, appropriate angle of attack and in the center of the face and THEN with a toe down position, it will produce a fade or a slight push, but I wouldn't think a 5° toe down would produce a major slice with everything else being neutral.

Try dropping your hands a bit at address, or thinking about pulling the hands through a little closer to your navel, both of those ideas shouldn't mess with your plane much but might just be enough to get the toe a little close to neutral at impact.

[preludesam]

I agree with MongoOnlyPawn, you have half the tools now to make really great strikes. It’s time to find a great instructor that uses a Quad and work on the swing.

[GullLakeMi]

I think those comments are right on. Just making sure I understand the data and possible variances due setup as part of the process. For sure my swing is biggest culprit.

[sunnfunn]

Try hitting on a lie board while hitting with the quad. I do this with my GC2 sometimes just to be sure everything is correct.