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I am not a research nut to be frank, just enough to be dangerous. I was looking at Trackman 4 until a buddy put me onto GC Quad. My main goal is for a garage simulator for me and buddies to have fun and play and practice. We are bogey golfers wanting to improve and have fun. To me, important features are good multiplayer course playing, good graphics and yes good data/ stats to help me improve but I am not a professional. I am very intrigued by the FSX Play as the graphics look much nicer compared to the 2020 software. I say all that to say this, would you recommend I buy a GC Quad with FSX Play and be happy with it? I like that its half the price of a TM4 and also the Sim In A Box includes everything. Open to all opinions, thank you for your time, I have a lot to learn.
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Can’t beat it. I assume you are getting the club head data as well? If not, save your money and get a GC3.
FSX Play still has a ways to go, but is okay for sim play. I spend most of my time on the FSX2020 range when practicing. -
If you're just looking to play rounds with friends, I'd go with the cheaper version (Bushnell Launch Pro or GC3). For $7k (unlocked version), you can get the monitor and software with 10 courses (Bushnell Launch Pro), or $9k for 20 courses and FSX Play as well (GC3). Just be sure not to make friends with anyone left handed!
If you're a serious golfer, I'd go with the GCQuad. There is no substitute for club data.
Wouldn't get TM4 unless using it outdoors.Comment
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The best. Do itComment
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If you buy the quad new, you’re gonna have to buy fsx2020 and then pay the extra upgrade to get fsx play. So all in it’s gonna cost you $11k for the quad, $4k for club data, $3k for fsx2020 and $500 for fsx play
In your case though if youre just gonna use it mainly for sim golf, I’d get the $7500 gc3.Comment
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I love my GC Quad - but if I had it to do other - I'd probably go a different direction as my experience with Foresight Sports has been awful.
Not a popular opinion here - but they take a one-and-done approach to customer loyalty. Once they have your money on hardware - they no longer value you as a customer as they know you're unlikely to buy more hardware and extremely likely to buy their overpriced software.
If I had it to do over - I wouldn't buy from Foresight as a company again.Comment
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That's a really hard question to answer, and the answer is "It depends". Given your goal of fun with buddies in the garage (this is going to be a wildly unpopular opinion) but I'd probably go with SkyTrak and TGC. There are tons of courses and the SkyTrak is pretty great. I had mine for a few years, and it's pretty accurate IMO.
FSX is ridiculously expensive and, once you own the hardware - they kinda have you (you can use TGC apparently but it's a pain). Each course is $150 to $700, and they're not particulary great (elevation change is pretty poorly done, textures are bad, terrain variation (e.g. trees) is lacking - and they don't have anywhere near as many courses as something like TGC (Augusta, Pine Valley, Harding Park, etc. etc.).
Again - I love my Quad for the club data only. Everything else - the company, the support, the quality, the software, the pricing model, the bang for the buck - it's all horrendous.
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If you want to get better, club data is essential. With GC Quad, it will be a bit difficult to do this with friends as they will need stickers on their clubs. Also, switching between left and right handed players will be clunky. However, I have found the reliability to be great and data to be amazing. I love it. I bought TGC 2019 to play online with a friend. Comparatively, I can't stand FSX 2020 courses. I have never played more than 3 holes of one before switching back to TGC 2019. I find TGC 2019 graphics to be better and love that there are so many courses, particularly local courses I have played. Additionally, I designed my home course and another local course. For me, it really helps bring the simulation to life when you know the course. The known issue with TGC is updates are unpredictable and in no means guaranteed. Furthermore, I find TGC to be a bit forgiving on yards offline left/right (distance is good), so I don't use it for range work. I have not played the more updated competitive option that we are not supposed to mention.Comment
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I think the quad is a great choice unless you have some lefty friends. Love mine. Tgc2019 and unnamed software are great and I use the fsx2020 range and camera work to work on the swing. I would take quad over trackman indoors unless you have lefty friends then I would have to think about how much I really care about my lefty friends.Comment
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This is all very helpful thank you. I spoke with Foresight sales guy today (Kevin) and he was very helpful. Didn’t push anything on me and just answered questions. Didn’t say one bad word about any other product I asked about either from competitors. Follow my logic here, buying a Sim-in-a-box you get all the software (fsx2020, fsx play, etc), club data package, all equipment needed, etc. For someone like me that’s not big time DIY guy and with hours to research this is very intriguing. You get 15 courses with fsx play with 10 more (to total 25) included. You then can buy more if you want. To me the fsx play graphics are 1000x times better than run of the mill simulators as well as fsx 2000. He said in next 12 months or so all the features of fsx 2000 will be moved to fsx play in totality and improve. So, for me, as a bogey golfer who wants to have fun first and improve second, I think this is a good fit with great graphics and the club data included. Yes, I agree it’s expensive and could do it cheaper but it’s half of TM4 which was other I was considering. Any thoughts on my logic?Comment
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I don’t think you should be believing him when he said the timeline is one year for FSXPLAY to have all the same features as FSX2020. I think that is salesmanship. It’s been six months and there are still tons of bugs, only one update so far. If you read around this forum you see other guys saying their rep told them FSXPLAY is going to be primarily for sim play and FSX2020 is for training. The fact that the company never comes out with any official publicized roadmap for FSXPLAY leave me skeptical that a year is a goal they can or are trying to reach. -
Agree 100% with your logic. Literally sounds like my exact same circumstance across the board. Went with the Quad Sim in a Box, everything in my experience has been great from delivery to set up to support. 2020 vs Play experience is all spot on with feedback and your assessment. My only thing in hindsight would be to consider what others mention here with the GC3 vs Quad. I recently followed with my Foresight rep to better understand if/what difference a bogey golfer (like me) would actually be able to experience as I had a couple of friends considering a system after using mine. Feedback was that on the screen itself you wouldn't be able to tell any difference. From a data standpoint he said that the GC3 is within .5 degree launch angle and about 250rpms +/- the quad.
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You logic is correct. Pull the trigger.Comment
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"He said in next 12 months or so all the features of fsx 2000 will be moved to fsx play in totality and improve."Originally posted by poundpp View Post
Not true am afraid. Camera support in Play is going to be restricted to subscription based model using Swing Catalyst software . Currently you can use a number of different cameras with FSX2020 with no subscription. This is from Foresight support. They are saying that Play will be more playing sim golf with better graphics that 2020 and that fitting etc done with Pro. I don't think there will be much forthcoming in the way of feature upgrades. I asked for a an idea of what will be made available and when, they avoided the question by saying they only issue updates with each release as policy.
I'm not holding my breath.
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To be clear this was in regard to specific questions I had about practice mode with things that I am aware of that I thought I would like to see in an environment with better graphics and Play. So to be fair he did not say everything as in everything that is outside the scope of my knowledge it was in the realm of what I was asking and I am pretty limited in knowledge and also what I desireComment
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Once you start using FSX2020 you will start a wish list of feature you wish it had and bugs you wish would be fixed. You can find a i going list right here on this forum. Needless to say I’ve had me quad for almost 2 years and none of those this were implemented. So even if they get FSXPLAY was identical to FSX2020 we would be looking at a laundry list of features and bugs that still need fixing. But with that said just dropping your quad on the ground and getting the numbers from the top of the unit is awesome.
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If you're going to go this route - consider waiting until Costco has the Sim in a Box package back in stock. That said, the quality of the components in the package varies if I recall correctly (gaming PC components, projector, etc.). The real "deal" here are the courses included which sounds like it will be of value to you given your primary goal is simulation with friends.Originally posted by poundpp View Post
The Costco version I recall had far more courses but did not have club data enabled.Comment
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While not as good as the Costco price, I believe Par2Pro has a deal on right now for sim in a box. Quad with club data.Comment
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I'd really do some investigation into the various software packages before choosing FSX. Foresight just isn't a great software company from the UI to the graphics, pricing, etc. They can't even be bothered to add Cypress trees for California clubs like Olympic. The feel of the courses just isn't on par with PS4 games from 10 years ago (even on full settings on a new Nvidia GPU).
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