FSX 2020 Swing Cameras no Playback

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  • MongoOnlyPawn
    Advanced Member
    • Nov 2020
    • 301

    #1

    FSX 2020 Swing Cameras no Playback

    Was trying to work with an online lesson this weekend, FSX 2020 could see the cameras, live video during setup was fine, using the Imaging Source DFK usb cameras, hitting on the range, FSX had no replay of any swings, just blank in the analysis view, nothing recorded. Any thoughts on why it wouldn't record? Had a Chrome browser running with Zoom open.
  • jasonreg
    Extreme Member
    • Apr 2017
    • 1135

    #2
    Was another program using the cameras at the same time by chance? I know that when I adjust the cameras using the IS software, I need to ensure the software is closed before I start FSX2020 or Play or I will have issues getting FSX to see the cameras.

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    • MongoOnlyPawn
      MongoOnlyPawn commented
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      Good thought. I was on a Zoom call at the same time, perhaps the Zoom program was controlling them, even though I was using the webcam for the call? I remember seeing the swing cams as an option when I first connected via the webcam with Zoom. Is there some way to restrict the Zoom call to just accessing the webcam?
  • Surfthing Computers
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    • Jan 2022
    • 31

    #3
    Was the playback area white or was it black? These are 2 different issues depending on what you see.

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    • MongoOnlyPawn
      MongoOnlyPawn commented
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      The playback area was the live feed from the swing cameras. We could see the swing camera video, there just wasn't any recording.
  • MongoOnlyPawn
    Advanced Member
    • Nov 2020
    • 301

    #4
    Seems like if I just load FSX 2020 everything is fine. How can do a Zoom call using my Logitech Video Cam, but tell Zoom to ignore the Imaging SOurce cameras? Seems like as soon as I start a Zoom call it takes over all the cameras?

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    • jasonreg
      Extreme Member
      • Apr 2017
      • 1135

      #5
      MongoOnlyPawn - have you set your default camera in Zoom? I think when you do this Zoom ignores any other camera inputs.

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      • MongoOnlyPawn
        Advanced Member
        • Nov 2020
        • 301

        #6
        I'll give that a shot, thank you.

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        • frodaddy00
          Advanced Member
          • May 2017
          • 437

          #7
          shoutout to Surfthing Computers who helped me out with my FSX 2020 issues with these exact imaging souce cameras. The likely culprit is that FSX loves to install old "graypoint" drivers which basically break everything with these cameras. They walked me through uninstalling those old drivers and getting the proper ones installed.

          one warning: FSX 2020 is just not stable at all above 120 FPS. If you keep these nice cams at 120 fps it will probably work but don't expect the full 238FPS to work. I switched over to Swing Catalyst ($200/yr home edition subscription from foresight website)...

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          • jasonreg
            Extreme Member
            • Apr 2017
            • 1135

            #8
            Originally posted by frodaddy00 View Post
            ...... issues with these exact imaging souce cameras. The likely culprit is that FSX loves to install old "graypoint" drivers which basically break everything with these cameras. They walked me through uninstalling those old drivers and getting the proper ones installed.
            The Imaging Source cameras do indeed need the proper drivers - IIRC they are avail on the IS website. I have not had an issue with FSX installing any other drivers.

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            • MongoOnlyPawn
              Advanced Member
              • Nov 2020
              • 301

              #9
              Not sure what's happening. I've got the IS drivers package installed per their website. Regardless of Zoom running or not, FSX will start up just fine, show both cameras operating at 120 fps, track the first shot, show the video, then both cameras lock up. On the "Video" tab in the analysis section you can watch the replay once, from one camera, then the "viewing" box turns white. No amount of fiddling with refresh rates, FPS or resolution get the cameras to come back online. If I restart FSX it's the same thing, everything is good for one shot, then nothing. This happens if I never start Zoom, so I don't think that's the culprit. Never had this problem with swing catalyst, but trying to use 2020 now for some online lessons, thus the change. Having friends over for adult beverages & a scramble today, might have some time to work on it tomorrow.

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              • jasonreg
                Extreme Member
                • Apr 2017
                • 1135

                #10
                Hmm that's weird. I have not used FSX2020 for a bit (have been using Swing Catalyst) but will try it out later on today and let you know.

                As an aside, can you list your computer specs and what cables you are using for your cameras? I am assuming you have swapped cables and that your computer is up to the task? Dual recording and Playback is pretty CPU/RAM intensive.

                Also, this is a pretty decent thread (there are others) with camera optimization & setup which might help: 2021 Primer on Dual High-Speed Video Recording of a Golf Swing - Golf Simulator Forum

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                • MongoOnlyPawn
                  Advanced Member
                  • Nov 2020
                  • 301

                  #11
                  Windows 11, Asus ROG STRIX Z790-E​ Motherboard, Intel Core i7-13700 13th Gen CPU, Corsair 2x16 DDR5 7200 RAM, Corsair RMx 1200 Power Supply, Samsung 980 Pro M2 1TB SSD, Nvidia GeForce RTX 4090 FE GPU

                  I've reviewed the article referenced but will take another look at it. Thank you for the help.

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                  • jasonreg
                    Extreme Member
                    • Apr 2017
                    • 1135

                    #12
                    Well, that is more than enough Computer! Are you by chance using the same USB Bus for both cameras? I know that I had to use a different Bus to get both cameras working (just not enough pipe available for the cameras at high settings).

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                    • MongoOnlyPawn
                      Advanced Member
                      • Nov 2020
                      • 301

                      #13
                      Hmm, good question. I am using Imaging Source OEM cables, but will try to use separate connections.

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                      • MongoOnlyPawn
                        Advanced Member
                        • Nov 2020
                        • 301

                        #14
                        jasonreg, thank you, using usb ports on different "buses" on the motherboard has alleviated the issue, at least as of 3 different trials! I looked up my motherboard specs and made sure I used ports that are not on the same "bus" or pathway to the system. Thank you for the idea.

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                        • jasonreg
                          Extreme Member
                          • Apr 2017
                          • 1135

                          #15
                          Originally posted by MongoOnlyPawn View Post
                          jasonreg, thank you, using usb ports on different "buses" on the motherboard has alleviated the issue, at least as of 3 different trials! I looked up my motherboard specs and made sure I used ports that are not on the same "bus" or pathway to the system. Thank you for the idea.
                          Glad it worked out! There really is an awful lot of data flowing from these cameras - understandable the pip can get maxed out.

                          Enjoy!

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