Dual camera swing analysis software?

[JBiraglia]

Thanks for everyone's input, I just pulled the trigger on the GC2. I still need to figure out the camera software setup, but I'm not in a big hurry for that.

I have the GC2 + HMT with FSX and find it to be superior in data analysis to the other systems I've used (have not used TM4) as well as simulation. I'm considering adding a camera or 2 now, what camera system did you purchase and how is it working?


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[Dax]

Congrats and enjoy!

[abirdie4me]

Thanks for everyone's input, I just pulled the trigger on the GC2. I still need to figure out the camera software setup, but I'm not in a big hurry for that.

[CBearsSB]

I am using one camera. Motion view is great. You can get a demo download but does not allow all of the functions/features. Not as intuitive as V1, in part, due to more features; however once start using to its fullest capabilities it is quite a learning tool. If get demo ask for basic instructions to use. The demos are time based and will start to see blackening of image. You do not want to waste valuable demo time trying to figure out how to utilize the software.

[mthunt]

Just get a GC2. It works inside, outside and in any space. It's proven and works with lots of different software systems. There's no downside other than leftie righties.

[abirdie4me]

I would strive for at least 12 feet of ball flight with TM for your drives and say anything down to 10 feet on all other shots. From here I would suggest 9 feet behind for TM3. If I recall you suggested that you could move the unit back out of your room. If this is possible, then consider the following 1. Will being 12 feet from the screen cause you issues with you backswing and the back of your room, 2. Will there be anything that will interfere with the radar if the unit is outside of your main room. I am concerned that the later may give you issues, but note that a call to TM could clear this up and a request for a dem unit to ensure no issues will provide you with the feedback you need to make a decision. I fear you don't have the space, but it is worth exploring.

My final thoughts are to strive for TMs recommended distances as much as possible. I squeezed out as many extra inches as I could in my set up and am very happy with my results as I was able to just get 12 feet of distance from tee to screen on my drives (I have pretty good ball speed and low spin so I need the length for my drives to register and have no issues with my current set-up).

Thanks for the information. It's looking like I need to contain my room to 16' length, wife doesn't want to cut into the main game room area more than necessary. So I'm now back to Skytrak, GC2, or maybe aboutgolf as possibilities.

Here is the room I'll be working with.

[abirdie4me]

FSX does have camera integration that is stored with every shot but its only one camera view as far as I can tell. I have two cameras and it did not pick up the second. It does NOT let you draw on it, however. It would be nice if they supported two cameras so they could be stored with the actual shot. In my mind its not a full featured swing analysis in FSX.

I use cswing - its works pretty well but does not support USB 3 high speed cameras. I have been using Firewire cameras Front and Down the line with it.

Thanks, I'll check out cswing next. The camera abilities and ability to draw lines is an important factor to me, as I am working hard on correcting 30 years of poor technique.

[Js1010]

FSX does have camera integration that is stored with every shot but its only one camera view as far as I can tell. I have two cameras and it did not pick up the second. It does NOT let you draw on it, however. It would be nice if they supported two cameras so they could be stored with the actual shot. In my mind its not a full featured swing analysis in FSX.

I use cswing - its works pretty well but does not support USB 3 high speed cameras. I have been using Firewire cameras Front and Down the line with it.

[Dax]

I would strive for at least 12 feet of ball flight with TM for your drives and say anything down to 10 feet on all other shots. From here I would suggest 9 feet behind for TM3. If I recall you suggested that you could move the unit back out of your room. If this is possible, then consider the following 1. Will being 12 feet from the screen cause you issues with you backswing and the back of your room, 2. Will there be anything that will interfere with the radar if the unit is outside of your main room. I am concerned that the later may give you issues, but note that a call to TM could clear this up and a request for a dem unit to ensure no issues will provide you with the feedback you need to make a decision. I fear you don't have the space, but it is worth exploring.

My final thoughts are to strive for TMs recommended distances as much as possible. I squeezed out as many extra inches as I could in my set up and am very happy with my results as I was able to just get 12 feet of distance from tee to screen on my drives (I have pretty good ball speed and low spin so I need the length for my drives to register and have no issues with my current set-up).

[abirdie4me]

I have a camera from The Image Source. Very fast shutter, 120 FPS , color, GiGe connection. Can film with minimal lighting and just 12 feet behind. I can see club without any blurring. I use Motion View golf analysis software. Many more features compared to V1. Not have phone APP so use V1 on golf course. I don't have FSX buy PR1. I have separate computer and monitor for swing analysis. Other popular cameras are from Point Grey.

How do you like the Motion View software? Do you use it with more than 1 camera?

[mthunt]

TM4 works in 16 feet but how can you buy one and only use it indoors so you'd need the 24k one. TM3 works in 18 or 19 feet. I considered buying one but an extra 6k to use it outside killed my interest.

[abirdie4me]

You are correct TM4 indoor is 18k however this includes the TPM software. What is the gc2 price once software is included? I thought the two were pretty close? Also he could get a fully loaded TM3 that does not do putting as you noted for very close as well and this would the. Have outdoor and indoor. I love my TM3 and when you add everything it measures plus all of the camera features and the fact that TPM is so versitile I thought it would be something to consider assuming the space has the reqd length which he may have. It's not the perfect solution, but I just think once people start adding the HMT to their GC2 that TM might be something to consider. Also, as many of you know, I use e6 for simulation and have a solution for putting that works very well. Also, lately I find my self not using e6 as much as I do TPM as I find there is so much information and things that I can do with TPM.

The TM4 looks very interesting, and at a similar pricepoint to GC2+HMT I may reconsider. My main concern is my room is only 16' deep, not sure that is enough room to get accurate TM results.

[Dax]

You are correct TM4 indoor is 18k however this includes the TPM software. What is the gc2 price once software is included? I thought the two were pretty close? Also he could get a fully loaded TM3 that does not do putting as you noted for very close as well and this would the. Have outdoor and indoor. I love my TM3 and when you add everything it measures plus all of the camera features and the fact that TPM is so versitile I thought it would be something to consider assuming the space has the reqd length which he may have. It's not the perfect solution, but I just think once people start adding the HMT to their GC2 that TM might be something to consider. Also, as many of you know, I use e6 for simulation and have a solution for putting that works very well. Also, lately I find my self not using e6 as much as I do TPM as I find there is so much information and things that I can do with TPM.

[Cris]

While your decision has been made, for the same price as what you are paying for the CG2 and HMT, you could buy a TM as the TPS software will allow you do include the video analysis that you are looking for and more.

How so, Dax? I may be misinformed, but I think you can get GC2 + HMT for around $15K or so, but Trackman 4 is around $24K for out/indoors or around $18K for indoors only. He would have to go TM4 if he wants simulation as TM3 doesn't read putting. Isn't that the case? Thx

[abirdie4me]

Thank you mthunt and CBearsSB for the replies...I'll check out the camera recommendations and look into Motion View as well. This is turning out to be a much harder project than I envisioned!