New R-motion user and have some concerns

[Coreyva]

I got the R-Motion for Christmas and with the few rounds I've played, I have a some concerns. First, I've broken two of the holders on swings so far. I know that I swing hard and really compress into the ball, but my mat is a Country club elite strip and isn't a thin mat. I'm wonder if it's because of where I have the mount mounted. It doesn't seem to have many threads to catch. Both have broke about two threads on one side. At $100 for 13 mounts, this is very concerning. Secondly, every shot shows an in-to-out swing path. Even exaggerating an out-to-in, The best I can do is 2 degrees, which is far less than the exaggeration. I'm sure this has something to do with my strong grip, but the way it registers my shots are far different from my game. Third, the distances are much shorter than reality. I've edited the lofts and place the sensors at the point it shows on the edit screen. I've read that people are tricking it by adjusting the distances, and am wondering if lessening the distance on the shaft would help with the breaking and the distances. Lastly, is there a way to edit the clubs? I don't use a 4 iron, but I do use a gap wedge. I don't see a way to change the club names and don't want to use a decoder ring if I adjust my angles.

One additional thought. I've been using it in my garage which is probably 40 degrees. Perhaps that is why the months are breaking?

[Burtgolf]

Coreyva I am in the same boat with you. My first clip broke as well but Rapsodo was awesome and sent me a replacement. The new one I got I think is the old ones but I actually like it TONS more than the one that came with mine. I just slid it up the shaft as close as I can to the bottom of the grip and then hand tighten the screw until the clip doesn't move left or right.

The only edit of the clubs I see so far is the 3 and 4 iron to hybrids, I too use a gap wedge but found for the game play it isn't a big deal without it.

I have not had a problem with swing path as it seems to be about what I think it was.. I am more in to out with my irons and "try" to be slightly out to in with my driver/3 wood (I hate hooks so would rather see the fade). The only issue I have with the shot shapes so far is everything starts left for me even with the in to out swing and a 1 degree closed face and it seems the more I try to come from the inside the worse it gets? if that makes sense.

As far as the distances goes... I tried everything with changing lofts to what mine are and then messing with the lengths and still was not getting anything close to what it should be. I finally just stuck with the standard length that it defaults to with my lofts and sometimes its spot on (measured with my old trusty Belkin Swing Mate and +/- 2 mph) and other times like tonight I can't hit driver more than 90 yards with 100 mph club head speed and launch angle of 44 degrees like it thought I was hitting lob wedge or something... A driver with 44 degree launch angle... very frustrating. And then my 9 iron is flying farther than my 7 iron?

I was outside (48 degrees and damp) and after hitting 8 drivers in a row with not one being picked up even though my sensor would turn blue after the hit I finally moved it to diagnostic mode and tried again.. it picked up each shot but took about 10 seconds to display and of course not anything close to what my swing was. I turned diagnostic off and it would not pick the shots up again. At this point I brought the sensor inside and waited about an hour to let it "get warm" and the first couple of hits afterwards were ok but within 5 minutes I was right back to no reads or crazy short distances and launch angle. That being said tonight was the first night in a while that it has been this bad and I have only had it a few weeks now so I am thinking you are on to something with the cold weather.

On the other note though I see others using this product with no issues what so ever. braycobb post his tournament videos online and if you watch them you will see what it should be instead of what we are getting so far

[braycobb]

Unfortunately, I'm not sure i have anything useful to add to your situations. My system has worked with no issues (knock on wood). I don't use the clips. So, I haven't had any issues with breaking. I use poster mounting putty for all my clubs. The distances and ball flight are extremely accurate with me just entering the loft and distance from bottom of sensor to sole of the club head.

[Smudge7204]

This is a bit strange, i am able to adjust the distance by changing the lofts, length's. What I did was go to the range and focused on the carry distance, you can only adjust the lofts by 5 but you change the length as much as you need. I find that the higher up the club the better the reading. The clips are what they are they tend to break, i have like 30 of them for when buddies come over and i must have broken 4-5. I would suggest putting anti fatigue mats under your mat to dampen the vibration with the floor that seemed to work for me. Good to see a few more users, you will enjoy the 15 courses but the real fun comes in on the tour. If you can make it happen that is where you should be trying to get to, tons of fun. Good luck!

[Coreyva]

Unfortunately, I'm not sure i have anything useful to add to your situations. My system has worked with no issues (knock on wood). I don't use the clips. So, I haven't had any issues with breaking. I use poster mounting putty for all my clubs. The distances and ball flight are extremely accurate with me just entering the loft and distance from bottom of sensor to sole of the club head.

Were you the one that posted the video of using the putty? If so, do you have a link for it. I've seen mention of it, but haven't found it. My shafts are 3/4" longer than stock. If I could use putty, then I can put the sensor at the base of my grip and hopefully take care of two of my issues. Distance and breaking. I suspect this would fix the path issue as well.

[Burtgolf]

Coreyva here is braycobb link for the putty video https://youtu.be/T-4vuUZYC3Q (turn the volume all the way up )

I tried it and it works for a swing or two and then lost its ability to stay on the shaft. Pretty sure I either got a bad batch or it just got too cold. Either way you should contact Rapsodo they were really awesome in getting me new clips out quickly. I am about to fire up TGC and give it another try in a few. I was re-reading some post and they did mention that they never tested in cold weather to which other users were having same complaints with the no reads and huge misread in distances and club/ball speeds.

[braycobb]

Coreyva here is braycobb link for the putty video https://youtu.be/T-4vuUZYC3Q (turn the volume all the way up )


I tried it and it works for a swing or two and then lost its ability to stay on the shaft. Pretty sure I either got a bad batch or it just got too cold.

Sorry about that low volume. I had done some reconfiguring and couldn't find my good microphone.

You could also try the holder Chuck made for the Tittle device:

https://golfsimulatorforum.com/forum/golf-simulator-brands-and-types/general-and-unlisted/141763-tittle-x-golf-simulator/page4

[Burtgolf]

I just got finished trying to use the R-Motion sensor again outside. It was around 38 degrees at the time and the first 6 holes went well, same left pattern on my short/mid irons which I think is mainly due to club face at impact being slightly closed even though swing path is in to out. After the 6th hole it went bonkers again! On the 7th hole I changed the club that TGC recommended and after moving the sensor to the corresponding club it would not pick up any shot. The sensor would turn blue after the swing indicating it was "working" but nothing on TGC. After 4 no reads in a row I switch view to the R-Motion app and restarted the sensor. I noticed the "GAME STATUS" in that view was "Spinning" but switched back to TGC and tried again with same result of nothing. At this point I took the sensor back inside and just left everything alone for about 45 minutes. I took the "warm" sensor back outside and it worked like it should have for a few more holes and then of course my PC shut down ?!? so I fired it back up and was able to get back to the 6th hole where the Driver shot went crazy again (See Screenshot attached) with 37 degree launch angle?? At this point I just quit and brought everything back inside. I really think it has something to do with the sensor getting cold and for some reason the R-Motion software is loosing connection with it and TGC software.

If I get a chance later I will try to set it back up inside to see if it starts failing again when moving the suggested TGC club to something different.

[Rapsodo]

Burtgolf We didn’t qualify operation at that temperature. We have very few people use it at that temperature. The gyro and accelerometer insider the device will change their behavior (drift) at that low temperature and this would cause sub optimal data. You should have no problem between 50-100 degrees.

As as per the clips, we are sorry that they are breaking. Pls send a mail to Rapsodo support and we will take care of you.

[Burtgolf]

Rapsodo I am good with the clips so far! I actually prefer the old clips that you sent me as they have been stellar so far. If you want to send more of the old clips please do I am not sure I want any of the new clips . On the other hand Coreyva is the one with the new clips that have broken and needs replacements

I think my worry here is that once the sensor is exposed to the cold weather, for those of us using it in an outdoor environment, is that there is no way we could possibly consider upgrading to the full license and play tournament golf with these huge differences in swing measurements. I for one think once I figure out how to pitch/flop/chip then I would be very interested in getting the full license and competing against others online. But for now I have to rewind a shot that I know would have went well over 200 yards but was only 100+ yards in the simulator. Not a perfect scenario for you and your team but something that can be looked at for those of us that want to get somewhere close to the same experience as other users such as braycobb which has no issues with distance or swings being picked up very accurately during his tournament rounds!

On a side note... if you could help me determine why the shot starts left with a slightly closed club face with an in to out swing... that would help a bunch!!!!!

[birdman9]

The observations concerning temperature are making me think back to my rounds so far. When I first fired up R-Motion, it was inconsistent and took some tweaking to finally get something that was enjoyable enough to play.

I am using a 2016 Macbook Pro that does not have USB ports, so I am using a dongle that plugs into the Thunderbolt ports. I have troubleshooted which one of these ports produces the best connection with the R-Motion and think that I have figured it out.

A week later, I played two rounds and spent some time using the driving range. It worked extremely well, and of course I had a ton of fun with it. Distances, club speed, path all were pretty accurate. I assumed that using the right port was a large reason why.

However, now that you guys mention temperature, it was 50 degrees that day compared to the 30 degrees the week before. It would make sense that I'm experiencing the same performance drop off that you are in colder temps. I am using the R-Motion in an unheated garage.

You may have saw my thread on how I am using Almost Golf Balls, but yet I was getting better performance with Real Balls toggled on. That situation has also changed, as last Sunday, I had to toggle Almost Golf Balls on because the Real Balls toggle was no longer the better performer.

Thought I'd share my experiences with the group. If this means I need to purchase a space heater for the garage, something tells me I will know pretty quickly as the worst winter months are arriving.

[Coreyva]

On a side note... if you could help me determine why the shot starts left with a slightly closed club face with an in to out swing... that would help a bunch!!!!!

RapsodoThis would be great as my my shots do the same.

[FaultyClubs]

Read up on the (new) ball flight laws. They explain ball flight based on face angle and club path relationships. Very useful.

In you example the ball should start left and go further left. Basically the ball always starts somewhere between the face and path. With driver it starts very close to the face angle and then draws/fades depending if the face is closed or open relative to the path.

[Burtgolf]

New ball flight laws? Guess this is something that has changed recently compared to the old ones? Last I checked when I watch my "ACTUAL" golf ball while in flight ... an in to out swing made the ball start right... and out to in swing makes it start left... I am right handed and it would be the opposite for a left handed golfer. Draw spin has face less open than swing path on in to out swings. Fade spin has face more open than swing path on in to out swings. And just the opposite for out to in swings. We could add the out to in and closed/open face here but its all pretty simple really.

I have hit enough balls and watched what they do to know when I swing in to out compared to swinging out to in. And starting path for a golf ball is swing path in relation to your set up. Where that ball goes afterwards is club face angle at impact. I can hook it, slice it, fade it and draw it and even the rare hit it pretty darn straight. But never have I hit all my short/mid irons left of my square target line like I do with the R-Motion because it sees my club face closed at impact regardless of the swing path. On the same note, I try to hit a fade with my longer iron/woods and it seems to pick that up pretty good. So far my experience has been to aim 5-6 right arrows to the right for my short/mid irons on a full/chip/flop/punch shot (which results in a pull hook) and 3 left arrows for my long iron/woods (which results in a push fade). Which makes it about learning how to play the "game" and not about learning my swing.

This is why I asked if they could explain why it is performing with this behavior as it is not a realistic ball flight in the real world.

[FaultyClubs]

Your comments reflect the old ball flight rules which we now know are wrong. If the R-motion is accurate you'll have to update your thinking to make sense of anything.

[Coreyva]

Burtgolf We didn’t qualify operation at that temperature. We have very few people use it at that temperature. The gyro and accelerometer insider the device will change their behavior (drift) at that low temperature and this would cause sub optimal data. You should have no problem between 50-100 degrees.

As as per the clips, we are sorry that they are breaking. Pls send a mail to Rapsodo support and we will take care of you.

Rapsodo I was the one having the issue with the broken clips. I'll email you about it.

Idaho winters in the garage are going to be below 50 degrees. Even with a space heater. Convincing my wife to bring my net indoors is going to be a challenge.

[Smudge7204]

I will provide a little feedback here; i initially had my set-up in the garage and while it worked I decided to move it to my basement due to lower temperatures and tracking all the snow/dirt, moving out the cars etc. I have seen a significant improvement on the reliability of the sensor since i am in a controlled climate. so i bet your issues are cold weather related.

[Burtgolf]

I will provide a little feedback here; i initially had my set-up in the garage and while it worked I decided to move it to my basement due to lower temperatures and tracking all the snow/dirt, moving out the cars etc. I have seen a significant improvement on the reliability of the sensor since i am in a controlled climate. so i bet your issues are cold weather related.

I tried multiple times today, and still getting the same results with a few holes all good then the weird 30+ degree launch angles. I turned on diagnostic mode as suggested and by the third hole was having the issue and Rapsodo will be looking at this later. I kept my session open throughout the day and same thing,... a few swings everything is fine and then the sudden crazy swing path and launch angle. I changed nothing except bringing the sensor inside for a while and giving it a "rest". Today's temps were around 44 when I started and 55 when I last checked.. so I am thinking the "cold" has nothing to do with it at all.