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Wow. I just saw an announcement for Rapsodo's new MLM2Pro Launch Monitor and Simulator, and I must say I'm really impressed with the initial first looks. It's a two-camera and doppler radar-based LM. which sits up on top of a tripod giving the cameras some high to see over your clubs. It uses a special Calaway RPT (marked) golf ball providing it with very accurate spin and spin angle numbers. I saw it compared to a GCQuad, and the numbers coming from Rapsodo MLM2Pro were nearly identical in a head-2-head match-up. If this plays with TGC2019 and can putt, I think this might be game-over for a lot of LMs. The price is $699. Amazing price point. It includes 1yr of "Pro" software (and after that $199/year(. Their software works on Android and Apple iPhones. They claim it will be for indoor simulation but I don't know much more than that. My question list right now is long. Does it putt? What does 'Pro' software provide? Does it interface with the common Sim packages out there? TGC2019? E6Connect? AwsomeGolf?... etc. It's supposed to ship in March so we will find out soon enough.
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I heard it doesn't putt. (yet anyways) but I agree, this is a step and a half above the R10 and will become extremely popular if they start to add PC integration support etc like the R10 post-launch. Initial launch seems to be just mobile device / dedicated app support like the R10.
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It says that it measures six out of thirteen reported metrics, so the real question is: which six?
If spin, spin axis, VLA, HLA, and ball speed are there, should be an interesting unit.
The $200 sub and being bound to Chrome Soft balls sucks though.Comment
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Haha, yeah... the $200 sub just sucks. I mean if I buy your tech I want to own it. It's a tool for me. A pay-to-play is just not right IMHO. It's just what Skytrak and Rapsodo have been doing for years (and is one reason I don't own a Skytrak BTW). The ChromeSoft balls are not too bad for a dialed-in game. If you take this unit to the range, I've heard it does OK with standard balls. Another question is what type of Lighting if any is needed for this unit. A lot more info will be coming out on this (warts and all) I'm sure. I'm just glad to see someone come in on an entry price at the level of the Garmin R10.
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MLM2Pro measures club speed, ball speed, spin, spin axis, VLA and HLA according to Rapsodo.Originally posted by bubbtubbs View PostLast edited by aussiebenny; 01-27-2023, 04:34 AM.Comment
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It's just funny that people will piss and moan about a hundred bucks for software you own forever but will happily shell out $200 every year for a unit that'll sell for maybe $550 on the used market.Originally posted by aussiebenny View PostComment
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Not sure what is funny considering I'm not going to buy the MLM2Pro as I already have a Mevo+ that I paid $2500 USD for (Australia RRP). Btw, I also agree that paying $200 year to make it more capable sux. (though it does include cloud video storage at least) Flightscope on the otherhand is charging $1000 for the pro package and another $500 for impact location with no additional services, and a PC version of base software for $99. So yeah, neither additions are attractive and hence why I'm not getting them.Last edited by aussiebenny; 01-27-2023, 05:08 AM.
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Rapsodo are going to kill with this MLM2pro.
Wanted to buy an eye mini, but i don't think i'll have too.
$699 has 2 cameras and a radar, will most probably work with the software that cannot be named and easy to use........wow.
I don't care about the subscription because at $699 I will throw it in the bin after 3 years and get the newer tech again for $699.
This thing works outdoors with normal and range balls and only needs the marked balls for very accurate indoor spin and spin axis measurement.
I think the spin and spin axis measurement will be pretty good with normal balls indoors anyway, rapsodo did create skytrak which reads normal balls just fine.
Who's going to pay 2k for a skytrak now?Comment
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Hopefully, like on other products recently, without the subscription you will only get 1 or 2 courses for free and the subscription is only for multiple courses. Be interesting to know if their subscription is required for using other packages like awesome golf (just like on most skytrak options) or if the base unit without the years subscription works with them. On one of the videos on you tube someone asked this but the answer was hard to hear, I think they said it does not need their yearly subscription. I hate subscriptions myself and it is a big turn off for a product. How useful showing the moment of impact from behind is also something I am not sure of; not seeing the front part were it actually hits. The details of what exactly is included without yearly subscription and what additionality you get from the prem yearly subscription are not clear at the moment. As with all radar based units there is still the issue of clear space behind and after impact position required and lack of putting. Still hoping an up to date and affordable camera based unit appears on the market at some point soon.Comment
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It would be interesting if they will enable spin readings for 3rd party software integration without requiring a sub. But if it's anything like Skytrak, a sub would be required and that's really bad at $200 a year... -
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This unit is $699, with 5 years subs (first year free) its still only $1699, skytrak is 2K plus yearly subs.
Looking at the current pace of development I expect this unit to be obsolete in 2-3 years time.
Its an accurate launch monitor for the price of a new driver, so why complain about the subs.
Look how much has changed in the mevo plus, do people really expect to use this product for 10 years?
Garmin also has something new in the works from the patents i have seen.
Good news
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just went to skytrak's website and noticed in the bottom left rapsodo's logo ;} is rapsodo stabbing a partner in the back or are these companies owned by the same entity and this is an apple beats situation?Originally posted by HappyGilmore102 View Post
On a side note i've heard on pc this will be compatible with e6 no word on if it will come with an e6 license of some kind though.
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Skytrak licensed the Rapsodo technology for the NA marketplace. Rapsodo develops all the technology, Skytrak is just in the middleman business.Originally posted by JimCherry View PostComment
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The guy on YouTube (Golf Simulator Videos) interviewed Rapsodo at PGA Merchandise show said it includes at $699 price point: 30,000 courses, E6 for 1 year and then $199.00 annual subscription. Skytrak is in bed with Rapsodo or will be going out of business. MLM2, if reliable and durable product then this moves the goal posts .... raises the bar .... changes everything with current pecking order of simulators.
The only constraints I picked up on was the 6' feet behind ball and 8' of travel. Also, spotted golf ball needed. I did not hear anything on video on putting or missed it.
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Spotted golf ball only needed indoors for very accurate spin and spin axis measurement (GC4 spin accuracy) not needed outdoors where radar does the job.
Tech is all there to read putts, 2 cameras and radar, will probably be enabled in future updates.
Rapsodo is known for raising the bar with their tech, this is not Earnest Sport.
6ft from the ball is nothing, you need a little space to swing a club as well.Last edited by HappyGilmore102; 01-28-2023, 06:49 PM.
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How do you think it will compare to the Skytrack and Mevo Plus overall for indoor use? Sounds promising except for that $200 every year.Comment
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digger I think this one will stack up pretty well to the competition provided their marked ball is used. Time will of course tell if there are some nuances, but what has been provided initially is promising.Comment
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Limiting issue for me is the requirement for 6ft behind and 8ft in front (I do not, but, if you have a fast swing speed with driver maybe more). My garage has too many items in it to get that clear space. Especially metal items like gym equipment that will interfere with the radar. A part from this it looks like it will be a great option. I hope there is a cheap total camera based solution sometime, technology has progressed enough that it should be possible. I think Rapsodo and skytrak both own, possibly only skytrak, the patents for the techniques/software solutions used in Skytrak. Skytrak will not allow them to use them so Rapsodo may have their hands tied for total camera based options.Comment
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Well after looking at several videos of this unit, It really sounds like the bar has been set high. In spite of the Pro subscription "Add-on" after year 1 of ownership, it is affordable. I'm in come Feb.Courses Created:
Cresent Hill KY (L)
Cherokee Park KY (L) 9
Seneca GC KY (L) 18
Charlie Vettiner KY (L)Comment
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to bad it comes out in march then ;}Originally posted by Chuck View PostComment
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Check that sir. Preorders are in Feb. The guy on the "Let's Play Thru" youtube channel has a great summary of the best in sim launch monitors at the PGA Mechandise show 2023 and it's worth a look. Sky-Caddie Voice 4 is a new radar based system that now plays in the Sim golf world at the $500-600 range. But info I have is the Rapsodo was nailing it for accuracy on all of the critical measures for the sim. Looks like we are in for a good year in 2023.Last edited by Chuck; 01-31-2023, 01:11 AM.
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