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    I have been planning a simulator build for the winter and I bought the MLM2PRO the day it was announced hoping for a "good" simulator launch monitor. I wasn't demanding or expecting perfection, but I had a few basic wants:

    1) A lot of courses to choose from
    2) The ability to play with friends on a simulated course
    3) Reasonable accuracy and functionality. IE I didn't care if it was 10 yards off, I just wanted it to work.

    I got my MLM2PRO in April and the summer golf season started. I've been playing real courses outside, so I have not put much pressure on using the MLM2PRO as I'd rather be on a real course. Today however we decided to test out my friends new sim layout with new pad, net etc. So I brought over the MLM2PRO hoping that the recent app work, firmware etc would make it more enjoyable to use. We planned to try a course on E6 as we had not used that before and also since we cannot have more than a single player on the Rapsodo courses.

    Honestly, I am just shocked they launched it without multiplayer support on the Rapsodo courses. That was a severely bad decision.

    It took me 30 minutes to get a session going with the MLM2PRO and E6. Every time I would launch Rapsodo app and connect the list of 3rd party apps was empty! Finally after deciding to use my friends WiFi we got the list and we decided to play Stone Canyon. But wasted 30 minutes getting to that point with multiple app hangs, restarts, iPad reboot.

    We started off on a few holes trying to get used to the E6 interface but things were going "ok". The only issue was my buddy tends to hit low stingers and these were not being read well by the MLM2PRO. More often than not it shot him off into the rocks when I could clearly see the shot was going to streak down the fairway.

    At about hole 12 we started to get consistent no-reads. Usually at 100 yards or less from the hole, like in a trap, we would hit, hit again, hit good shots and nothing would be picked up. One time we dropped the ball and it picked up the next shot but on at least 3 holes we just took the penalty and advanced to the next hole.

    On hole 17 we both tried to hit drives. Mine was a nice medium launch that was a no-read. I hit three in a row: no-read. We switched to my buddy and he hit his stinger. No read. He finally tried a pitching wedge on like a par 5 and it still was a no-read. So we gave up.

    Honestly, for the money I paid this was embarrassing to use as my buddies Garmin R-10 just works flawlessly. Over last winter we played probably 20 rounds of golf on the R-10 with 3 or 4 players and rarely had a no-read or a problem. We were able to enjoy the game. What happened today was simply NOT enjoyable in the least.

    I had planned as mentioned above to build a home sim, make the MLM2PRO the center piece but I am so demotivated right now by this device I don't even want to start or spend the money.

    Rapsodo gave everyone like an additional 30 days to return the device. That's long past so I have a $700 P.O.S. on my hands that I simply don't want to use.

    Honestly, I'd rather spend $3,000 for something that works than spend $700 for something that brings nothing but frustration.

    So I've emailed Rapsodo support. I'm sure they will ask about versions, reboots all the normal support crap. But simply put this device has soured my desire to build a home sim. I am going to put it up for sale, take a loss on it and move on. Sad...

    It is a product that was launched before it was ready. Another attempt by a vendor to build on hype and grab some market. But the result is a disaster and not worth even considering. Maybe I'll give it another look a year from now when I maybe re-try building my sim.

  • #2
    Sorry you didn't have a good experience. I've moved on from my R10 to a GC3. I highly recommend it, no missed shots, highly accurate, putting included. GSPro is the best sim around. Indoor radar is a challenge. I enjoyed the R10, but the spin, even with RCT balls, is a challenge. With the GC3 I don't use any special balls, I hit and it registers the same distance/flight path on the course in calm conditions and having the club data helps me refine my swing. I actually have an extra GC3 up for sale if you're interested https://golfsimulatorforum.com/forum...pping-included

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    • #3
      objidea Thanks for the comment. The GC3 seems like quite a chunk of change comparatively. Thanks for your for sale link. I need to think that over.

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      • #4
        It is! And that's at a big discount. That said, the Skytrak units compete, unless you need to use them outside. I hear the skytrak+ isn't worth the money yet, but I haven't used one myself. The Foresight LM's are accurate inside and outside, and they take seconds to setup given the auto-alignment with the alignment stick. You're paying because you don't have to worry if it's aligned right or read the spin correctly. Compare that to the MLM2Pro or R10 and you'll know what I mean.

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        • #5
          You can't beat the GC3. Hands down it's better than Skytrak, MLM2 pro etc. I do think the MLM2 Pro will improve with software updates etc. I agree the connection issues are a drag but hang in there . I find the direct wifi connection for the MLM2 Pro much better than the network connection.

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          • #6
            Yeah, I felt your pain ws2001. It can be so good at times and just a piece of junk at other times. I gave up on the system and hope that it will be replaced with a V2.0 app. The app just ticks off a guy like me; an Open Source tech guy that wants the data. I mean the $200/yr just to see spin? What the hell did I pay $700 USD for??? Chopped liver / shitty do-nothing app??? That will not change. It's ingrained in their $business model$ apparently. It wasn't what they promised at the 2023 PGA show.

            So the good news is someone created a beautiful Optical Character Recognition program that can read the Rapsoda app range app (the $200/yr subscription you have to agree to) to do anything cool, and it works no thanks to Rapsodo. You know, they will improve their marketing and fix some of the device issues like chipping, but will they learn how not to destroy customer relations with software lockouts and overcharging for the features promised. 13 Metrics were promised, but what, 11 were delivered if you didn't subscribe? (No spin or spin-axis). False advertising IMHO. At least that is my impression. So to finish my story with this, I sent my unit back for a refund, which was honored. All good there but I really wonder about the basic app... how can they not include spin / spin-axis data in the free basic app when they claim it's one of the 13 measured metrics?
            Courses Created:
            Cresent Hill KY (L)
            Cherokee Park KY (L) 9
            Seneca GC KY (L) 18
            Charlie Vettiner KY (L)

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            • HappyGilmore102
              HappyGilmore102 commented
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              Hi Chuck

              I agree with you about the subscriptions.

              I think a lot of people are raving about the mlm2pro because they are using the free 1st year, but when that year is up i think sales will tank if rapsodo don't half the subscription price or unlock spin.

              I don't think updating/upgrading the app for sim play will cut it because they can't complete with what *Spro offers.

              So I can only see them cutting subscription price and/or unlocking spin and spin axis going forward.

              Rapsodo will probably also drop the stupid golf ball marking thing. Whatever deal they made with callaway to supply these balls is costing big money and users can simply avoid these balls with a sticker or marker. I'm sure they will simplify the pattern to a few dots or just track the balls logo or something. It amazes me how silly these corporate guys can be. Very few people will buy these golf balls.

              New launch monitors will probably also hit the market next year, maybe a garmin upgrade or ernest sport might finally get the es16 working as it should.

              I also see flightscope intergrating cheap high speed cameras to its future mevo products.

              Its all good news at the end of the day.
              Last edited by HappyGilmore102; 07-31-2023, 08:06 PM.

          • #7
            Has anyone found somewhere to buy the RPT balls from that isn't from rapsodo? I'm in Canada and they want $35 for shipping alone

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            • #8
              Yeap. Totally with you there HappyGilmore102. What got me was the quality of the App, in appearance and function from the first download to the last. It's flat, non-informational, and awkward to use. They had a bug in the first version that would let you see the spin and the highspeed camera view if you agreed to do a credit-card subscription. But you could just back out of that page and it would assume you had signed up and give you that data. At least on my Android. But even the high-speed video wasn't anything special. I was seriously thinking that it provided less useful data than my Zepp1 app (which was amazing for a Newbee golfer but years older for an app). So anyway... it's out of my life and I hope they do the right thing and create an open API, that actually gives the 13 measured parameters and actually makes the RTC balls work as advertised, and not just for a short 1yr.
              Courses Created:
              Cresent Hill KY (L)
              Cherokee Park KY (L) 9
              Seneca GC KY (L) 18
              Charlie Vettiner KY (L)

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              • #9
                Day 2 with the MLM2 Pro and it may be going back. Too many disconnects, the slow process to try to re-connect it, and app crashes. Lots of time wasted, that could have been spent hitting balls!

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                • #10
                  The unit has been working much better now that I upgraded to an iPad Pro (from 2018 model). Main issue now is distances seem off 20-30 yards on long clubs. Anyone found the same, and found a solution?

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                  • #11
                    Originally posted by Chuck View Post
                    Yeah, I felt your pain ws2001.

                    So the good news is someone created a beautiful Optical Character Recognition program that can read the Rapsoda app range app (the $200/yr subscription you have to agree to) to do anything cool, and it works no thanks to Rapsodo.
                    Pardon my ignorance, but what improvements did you find with this OCR program? I was considering buying a MLM2Pro, but this thread is giving me doubts. Have the firmware updates helped you any since 7/31? Thanks.

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                    • #12
                      Originally posted by justin962 View Post

                      Pardon my ignorance, but what improvements did you find with this OCR program? I was considering buying a MLM2Pro, but this thread is giving me doubts. Have the firmware updates helped you any since 7/31? Thanks.
                      The MLM2Pro does not work natively with GSPro. Some clever people have built some software which reads the computer screen data by using OCR and then uses that to integrate with GSPro. Note- the MLM2Pro app only works on IOS or Android. You have to screen share the MLM2Pro app on to a windows computer, then load the free connector software. A bit messy to setup.

                      Note2- non of the above improves mis/no reads from the MLM2Pro.
                      Note3- for the above to work long term you'll need to pay your Rapsodo subscription ($200 per year for spin reading), and your GSPro subs $250 per year.

                      MLM2Pro works well for some, but for me chipping is hit and miss, and the app is not very good. For the price point its difficult to complain.
                      Rapsodo keep promising updates, but it's gone slow. Mine is probably going to be sent back.

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                      • #13
                        Yeah, there has been a lot of innovation with the OCR method of reading that app. You still have the expense of the subscription (and the required CC number) to get spin and sidespin numbers but at least you have a choice and good options to begin sim play for a year. Putting is now an option with the OCR connectors and I've even seen the OCR technique used to incorporate the EXputt system into sim play! That is pretty cool. That said, I think the word 'messy' is spot on. Prepare to have a good weekend in the garage getting it set up and playable,
                        Courses Created:
                        Cresent Hill KY (L)
                        Cherokee Park KY (L) 9
                        Seneca GC KY (L) 18
                        Charlie Vettiner KY (L)

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                        • #14
                          New MLM2PRO app update available. Hopefully this fixes the connection issues. Will keep you posted.

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                          • #15
                            Well even with latest updates, last Monday night we could not get through a simulator session on Awesome Golf or E6 Connect. Both kicked us out with connection error after about 6 holes, 4 people playing.

                            Also both Awesome and E6 seemed to forget I had paid subscriptions and went into trial mode. This is frustrating as hell when you have 3 people waiting to play. Rapsodo was supposed to provide keys that worked, but they didn't work and I also had paid for both apps, subscriptions with MLM2PRO. Very frustrating. I think the issue is that something was keyed to the serial number of the Rapsodo. I got a new one in an exchange so everything kind of quit working...

                            My buddy who owns the sim has the faithful old Garmin R10... We played all last winter on that thing and NEVER had a disconnect. While I cannot speak to the accuracy, it allowed us to play golf, reliably on snowy days/nights.

                            Rapsodo replaced my MLM2PRO with a new one. I had to pay return shipping but they sent the return fast saying they were doing this for all MLM2PROs that were having connection issues. Well the new one, with latest app is just not much better.

                            So today I made the decision to move on. I will be putting my MLM2PRO up for sale. I've got a Skytrack+ coming. A bunch more money but everyone I've talked so says the experience will be better and for my needs it requires a little less room since it mounts beside the hitting area. I don't have enough years left of golf to spend my time beta testing. I would like something that works reasonably well so the extra money is worth it.

                            I feel I gave the MLM2PRO a good try but even after 6 months it still is pretty much unusable for my needs. I am hoping to get some kind of winter sim working at my house and honestly the MLM2PRO had derailed my desire completely.

                            Sorry to be the bummer here. But I cannot honestly recommend the MLM2PRO to anyone.

                            The connection process is still clunky as hell. Side-by-side my buddy connected his iPad to his Garmin R10 in about 15 seconds. 3+ minutes later I was still trying to get the MLM2PRO connected. I had to restart the app twice and it takes for ever to scan WiFi networks.

                            So I'm moving on...

                            For those that are thinking it, I was using a 12th Gen iPad with both Wifi and cellular ability. We have been using it in a place where there is a good solid home WiFi (which is required to use any third party golf app with the Rapsodo it seems). The gear is in good shape so we are not talking about a flakey POS iPad. I'm also a software dev by trade for 45+ years now. So I am used to working my way through connections, menus etc.

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