Gameday Update? And does Uneekor ever have sales?

[mlurie31]

I remember hearing back at the beginning of the year that Gameday was slated for release in late summer. Does anybody know any updates on this? I know some people have been involved in beta-testing, not sure if they have any additional information on timeline.

I'm looking at getting an Eye Mini, and inclusion of Gameday would be be a big factor in whether to get it or not. Related, does Uneekor ever do sales? I know at one point the Eye Mini was $3500, not $4500. Should I be waiting to see some kind of sale, even if it isn't all the way down to $3500, or would I just be waiting a long time?

Thanks for the advice!

[COgolfengineer]

I'm a Uneekor dealer. They rarely have sales. Not sure if we'll see the Eyemini drop that low again. The Lite is a great value though. I can help save you money on Uneekor LMs, and other sim products. I've helped many people here.

[mjgolf123]

There is literally a sale going on right now at Uneekor. You can get an EyeXO for $6800 or an EyeXO 2 for 11050. It's less than a refurbished one. The EyeXO is a really good deal and it comes with year of GSPRO. I'm a beta tester for Gameday, and GSPRO is still my preferred software. Uneekor usually has one or two sales on LM's per year.

[mlurie31]

Yeah I saw they went on sale starting this week, right after I made the post... Nice timing. Too bad the Eye Mini isn't included.

That is an awesome deal for the EyeXO. Not too long ago, it was 10k, before they added the subscriptions.

[Gambler]

I've been a Uneekor user since QED first released, now on to eye mini. It's been a good system don't get me wrong, but I am highly disappointed with the subscription based model with no access to 3rd party otherwise.

I would recommend going with a subscription free unit and If I change LMs in the future I know I won't buy another that requires subs. These companies need to quit looking for the easy buck.

[mjgolf123]

I've been a Uneekor user since QED first released, now on to eye mini. It's been a good system don't get me wrong, but I am highly disappointed with the subscription based model with no access to 3rd party otherwise.

I would recommend going with a subscription free unit and If I change LMs in the future I know I won't buy another that requires subs. These companies need to quit looking for the easy buck.

I mean really every industry is going to subscription based software services. It's probably the most effective current way to keep the software up to date. They did lower the price of the units by quite a bit to compensate for the subscription cost. That said, they could always raise the price of the subscription and there isn't much you can do about it.

I do think you get higher quality and better support from companies offering subscriptions. The cost of the eyeXO was 10k, now it's 6800... That's 16 years of paying the $200/year subscription before you reach the old price (plus you get 5 courses with the subscription that the 10k version didn't offer out of the box).

[Gambler]

I mean really every industry is going to subscription based software services. It's probably the most effective current way to keep the software up to date. They did lower the price of the units by quite a bit to compensate for the subscription cost. That said, they could always raise the price of the subscription and there isn't much you can do about it.

I do think you get higher quality and better support from companies offering subscriptions. The cost of the eyeXO was 10k, now it's 6800... That's 16 years of paying the $200/year subscription before you reach the old price (plus you get 5 courses with the subscription that the 10k version didn't offer out of the box).

I also pay property taxes every year but that doesn't mean I'm guaranteed value out of it.

Subscription sales don't guarantee an update, they just generate recurring revenue for the company. If I am promised more than use by contract, you might have a point, but in this case I'm not guaranteed anything except a lighter wallet. Companies have existed for hundreds of years without the need for a subscription based sales scheme. The only reason they move to one is because they're getting lazy and can generate money by doing nothing.

But if you like it I'm sure they will gladly run your credit card every 12 months.

[mjgolf123]

I also pay property taxes every year but that doesn't mean I'm guaranteed value out of it.

Subscription sales don't guarantee an update, they just generate recurring revenue for the company. If I am promised more than use by contract, you might have a point, but in this case I'm not guaranteed anything except a lighter wallet. Companies have existed for hundreds of years without the need for a subscription based sales scheme. The only reason they move to one is because they're getting lazy and can generate money by doing nothing.

But if you like it I'm sure they will gladly run your credit card every 12 months.

Your property taxes go towards maintaining your community. Without them your roads, utilities, schools, and multiple other things would degrade. I would say you are guaranteed value from your property taxes. If all of a sudden my property taxes go to 0 and my community falls into disrepair, it's a guarantee my property value will decrease.

Software is similar. The companies need to make sure their products are compatible with multiple pieces of constantly changing hardware and software. Standalone software makes it difficult to generate enough revenue to support a team that can manage this, especially for 3rd party software and the low volume of golf simulator users. You are getting guaranteed value because Uneekor is guaranteeing that their hardware will support several different software platforms that they get no revenue from. If you don't like paying for 3rd party support, you can buy perpetual Uneekor software like Refine or Refine+ and only pay once.

Uneekor really shouldn't be made out to be the villain. They lowered the price on the launch monitors to more than make up for subscription packages. There is a lot of flexibility for the user. You can pay $7000 for an EyeXO and get refine and GSPRO. You have all year to decide what is best for you. If you decide you like GSPRO and want to pay the subscription for the 3rd party connector, it will still take 15 years to get to the previous cost of the EyeXO ($10,000) before the subscription pricing.

The market will ultimately decide which business models will be successful, but so far the most popular products are ones being run with subscription models. There are options for both standalone and subscription.

[Gambler]

Your property taxes go towards maintaining your community. Without them your roads, utilities, schools, and multiple other things would degrade. I would say you are guaranteed value from your property taxes. If all of a sudden my property taxes go to 0 and my community falls into disrepair, it's a guarantee my property value will decrease.

Software is similar. The companies need to make sure their products are compatible with multiple pieces of constantly changing hardware and software. Standalone software makes it difficult to generate enough revenue to support a team that can manage this, especially for 3rd party software and the low volume of golf simulator users. You are getting guaranteed value because Uneekor is guaranteeing that their hardware will support several different software platforms that they get no revenue from. If you don't like paying for 3rd party support, you can buy perpetual Uneekor software like Refine or Refine+ and only pay once.

Uneekor really shouldn't be made out to be the villain. They lowered the price on the launch monitors to more than make up for subscription packages. There is a lot of flexibility for the user. You can pay $7000 for an EyeXO and get refine and GSPRO. You have all year to decide what is best for you. If you decide you like GSPRO and want to pay the subscription for the 3rd party connector, it will still take 15 years to get to the previous cost of the EyeXO ($10,000) before the subscription pricing.

The market will ultimately decide which business models will be successful, but so far the most popular products are ones being run with subscription models. There are options for both standalone and subscription.

You're entitled to your opinion and that's fine let them run your credit card. But they didn't lower the price so I could save money and still come out ahead on the subscription, that is a fallacy. They lowered the price because they weren't selling any units compared to other market options. If people quit buying their subscription they will also have to make a decision on how they charge for that.

You must be young. Software is not similar at all. Microsoft, Adobe, Autodesk all built some of the richest companies in America selling software without subscriptions. This new wave of consumers has been conned into thinking subscriptions are cheaper because of the lower initial outlay and some perceived added value that doesn't really exist, much as you have conveyed in your argument.

I can't get 3rd party access without a subscription, that is where Uneekor is the villain. It's much like these car companies that want to start charging you a subscription so you can use your remote start. It's laughable but not quite as laughable as the people who buy into it.

You are also trying to decide for me that I am receiving benefit from spending tax dollars on services or infrastructure in my community I may or may not use. If I don't use it, it has no value to me, no matter who else may need it.

[mjgolf123]

You're entitled to your opinion and that's fine let them run your credit card. But they didn't lower the price so I could save money and still come out ahead on the subscription, that is a fallacy. They lowered the price because they weren't selling any units compared to other market options. If people quit buying their subscription they will also have to make a decision on how they charge for that.

You must be young. Software is not similar at all. Microsoft, Adobe, Autodesk all built some of the richest companies in America selling software without subscriptions. This new wave of consumers has been conned into thinking subscriptions are cheaper because of the lower initial outlay and some perceived added value that doesn't really exist, much as you have conveyed in your argument.

I can't get 3rd party access without a subscription, that is where Uneekor is the villain. It's much like these car companies that want to start charging you a subscription so you can use your remote start. It's laughable but not quite as laughable as the people who buy into it.

You are also trying to decide for me that I am receiving benefit from spending tax dollars on services or infrastructure in my community I may or may not use. If I don't use it, it has no value to me, no matter who else may need it.

You have a house and property right? You may not use the schools, roads, fire department, utilities but they all have an impact on the value of your property. If you live in a place with good schools and then you cut your property taxes to nothing and the schools become poor, it will likely lower the value of your property. Obviously there is a balance as to what level of taxation is the most effective for each community. If taxes are overly high, it will lower the value of the property.

Microsoft, Adobe, Autodesk all run subscription models now. I don't believe any of the names you listed sell stand-alone perpetual services anymore. Also, while these companies may have marketed their products as stand-alone in the past, they were still a back door subscription model. They would stop supporting versions and you would in essence be forced to upgrade to a newer version. Files from newer versions of AutoDesk could not be opened on older versions of the software. New software would not be compatible with older versions of windows.

How are consumers being conned by Uneekor? The math says otherwise... The cost of the unit was $10,000. Now it is $6,800. You can still access multiple things, such as driving range, club data, and ball data without paying any additional money. It's $8,800 total if you want a perpetual license of their most expensive software (refine+). $7,800 total if you want only 5 courses (refine). Both these options are thousands of dollars cheaper than what they were charging just a few months ago. You would not need a subscription for any of these options.

Could you make the case that Uneekor should provide the third party connector free? That's debatable. If it's as simple as creating an API that exports the data, maybe it should be free. I believe it is more complicated than that though, and likely needs continual updating to make sure it works. Uneekor could simply say they do not support 3rd party software, but they are giving the consumer the option to decide what is best for them.

[Jwheels9876]

I also pay property taxes every year but that doesn't mean I'm guaranteed value out of it.

Subscription sales don't guarantee an update, they just generate recurring revenue for the company. If I am promised more than use by contract, you might have a point, but in this case I'm not guaranteed anything except a lighter wallet. Companies have existed for hundreds of years without the need for a subscription based sales scheme. The only reason they move to one is because they're getting lazy and can generate money by doing nothing.

But if you like it I'm sure they will gladly run your credit card every 12 months.

The value there is the government doesn't come and take your property like they'd probably love to do lol

[mlurie31]

Well, it looks like Uneekor does have sales. Labor Day sale for 20% off all launch monitors.... except the Eye Mini. Which of course is the one I'm waiting on. Still, great deal for anyone looking for an Eye XO or Eye Mini Lite!

Still no word on when Gameday comes out though.

[tay1062]

Uneekor said at the 2025 CES this week that an announcement is coming very soon on the GameDay release.... most likely in two weeks at the 2025 PGA show in FL?

[I hate Golf]

According to this video Game Day will be released in Q2, in the US that typically means by July... Looks cool, but it seems promises aren't always kept.