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**goatbarn** · 02-22-2017, 05:14 PM

Provide dimensions of available area from wall to wall, and ceiling height.

For a commercial type setup, forget about an iPad/laptop to run the software. You're looking at a high end PC.

Some of your other questions are specific to the sim hardware/software chosen (replacements, subscription fees..etc.), and therefore can't be answered until you know what hardware you're going with. The space requirements for the GCQ vs the doppler units is very different.

I can't help with staffing/insurance requirements as I have no idea. Every sim I've been in has no "staff".

Since you're asking about wiring/electric costs...etc., seems like you need to talk to a contractor that would possibly do that work. That'll be specific to your needs.

Many people on here can help, but we'll need a LOT more info than that list.

**turkish** · 02-23-2017, 11:47 AM

Hi Goatbarn thanks for the reply and sorry I didn't have more in depth info but we are very much in embryonic stage of it but thanks as it gives me some considerations- for example as we don't know which monitor we will be using (Though I am pushing for GCQuad as from my understanding it has better indoor readings which is ideal in Not so Sunny Scotland) I would been keen to know the requirements for the top 3 monitors I have mentioned.

Good to know we should have a high End PC. Would likely speak more in depth to sales manager of monitor we go for about this.

In terms of staffing we would need additional staff- for example if we are using as a Sim hire at night- our pros typically only work daytime so would need somewhere to monitor usage, take payments, help out players, print out/email readings if they wish. etc

in terms of contractors our club has 700+ members so this is something we shall be looking to utilise- so called mates rates perhaps but again just wanting to know if I have missed any other considerations.

**goatbarn** · 02-23-2017, 01:16 PM

For GCQ you're looking for a space that allows comfortable swinging, that's all. It doesn't need any room to operate.

For doppler units you'll need roughly 16-21' of clear span from back wall to screen.

GCQ won't allow for easy right/left simultaneous play, doppler will. But doppler will need metallic stickers placed on the balls, sticker aligned to screen, prior to all full swing shots.

Both have their downsides, but both are very accurate when used indoors, with the GCQ being most accurate due to it measuring spin axis. Doppler units cannot measure spin axis when used indoors, and therefore rely on some of the club data, the collision model, and some ball data to estimate shot shape.

TM and Flightscope have annual maintenance plans (not required but probably warranted for lots of commercial 3rd party use). These are around $1k/yr as I remember, but check with each manufacturer.

Advantages of doppler would be that you can take it outside where it's really meant to be used and the accuracy increases.

Advantages of the GCQ are it's portability and accurate indoors (and out), although club data will require stickers being placed on each club to be measured.

Staffing for night shifts seems like you can just get a minimal wage employee that's trained in the sim software, and billing system. An accessible bar would really be great too, but that's a whole different animal with liquor licenses, bar staff...etc.

Maybe some of the other commercial sim owners on this site can help you out further.

If you want to pick the brain of someone that sells multiple systems and their advantages/disadvantages, try Cory from Par2Pro (google). He's based out of Ottawa I think, or somewhere else in that cold frozen tundra of a land.

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