Zero Delay Sims

[joefrank25]

I'm looking to identify simulators that legitimately have zero delay (or like 1ms delay). So far, it seems like HD Golf and Full Swing are the only options. I want to make sure that I'm not missing any.

I've seen the Uneekor youtube videos and they all have a delay, but I can't tell if that's because the system doesn't have a strong enough PC powering it.

Would appreciate any suggestions or videos that show zero delay sims!

[Sixmudd]

Foresight gcquad

[Joegolfguy]

WIZ-I has zero delay.

[StalefishFS3]

Any Foresight product has zero delay: GC2, GC3/BLP or GCQuad.

Uneekor does not have a delay either. Go to Jay's Youtube channel Golf Simulator Videos. He uses an EyeXO all the time and you can see there is no delay.

[COgolfengineer]

joefrank25 what is the reason you want zero delay? 1ms isn't even detectable by the human eye. Even the fastest gaming monitors are ~1ms refresh rate. Golf sims inherently have much more delay because it's a long signal and data processing path from impact of ball to seeing the image on the screen.

I agree with what the others have said. I have a Uneekor Eyexo and Bushnell Launch Pro and both have "zero" delay. All LMs and simulators have some delay, but quantifying is a bit difficult. The Eyexo and BLP have no noticeable delay which is why I said "zero" in quotes. The only LMs I know that have noticeable delay are Skytrak and Trackman (Trackman only when using driving range).

[joefrank25]

COgolfengineer I have visited a few sites with and without delays and the difference is HUGE. The zero delay really makes it feel like you're playing golf. I realize that "zero" is probably under 50ms, but you're right, the human eye doesn't notice it.

I was looking at the GCQuad videos and definitely notice a slight delay - maybe 300ms, but it's noticeable (example: https://youtu.be/17cK65gFsi4?t=1503).

It really looks like the Uneekor Eye XO also has a noticeable delay: (example: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/G8PzCqvpXPk)

The full swing legit has very minimal delay: (example: https://youtu.be/ydl1Kn4nCvA?t=6)

Joegolfguy I'll check out the WIZ-I - thanks!

[Joegolfguy]

WIZ-I link with GSPro software , https://youtu.be/WnhF9Gm3fYQ

[COgolfengineer]

COgolfengineer I have visited a few sites with and without delays and the difference is HUGE. The zero delay really makes it feel like you're playing golf. I realize that "zero" is probably under 50ms, but you're right, the human eye doesn't notice it.

I was looking at the GCQuad videos and definitely notice a slight delay - maybe 300ms, but it's noticeable (example: https://youtu.be/17cK65gFsi4?t=1503).

It really looks like the Uneekor Eye XO also has a noticeable delay: (example: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/G8PzCqvpXPk)

The full swing legit has very minimal delay: (example: https://youtu.be/ydl1Kn4nCvA?t=6)

Joegolfguy I'll check out the WIZ-I - thanks!

When you say visited a few sites, do you mean just watching online videos and not actually visiting various golf sims? If watching videos, I'd take that with a grain of salt. Feeling the delay while hitting a ball is far different. Meaning with my Eyexo and BLP, the ball is launched on the screen well before I even complete my swing. To me, whether that delay is 1ms or 500ms, that feels like "zero" delay when talking golf swing.

In the gcquad video, I don't see any delay. In the Eyexo video, I do notice a very small delay. That was with Uneekor's Refine software which I've never used. It feels much shorter with the software I use (GSpro, TGC, Creative Golf, E6). The Full Swing video is a promo video made by Full Swing and not an unbiased source, so can't really trust that.

The Wiz-I doesn't measure ball spin, so that would be out for me even if the delay is exactly 0.

What exactly are you looking for in a golf sim? There's far more important things than shaving off ms of delay. Accuracy is far more important. Software compatibility is also important. Cost is a big factor. A Full Swing setup costs close to $100k and you're locked to their software which really sucks.

[Joegolfguy]

After the recent firmware update for WIZ-I it now comes with enhanced spin measurement

[davidepope]

When you’re the one hitting balls, it takes more than 300ms to turn your head to the target to start following the ball. So the *practical delay* is much less than watching a YouTube video of someone else hitting a ball.

Not to mention, when there’s ball data, club data, a video of your swing— I find myself looking at all of that initially (and guessing my shot shape, toe/heel contact, etc) before looking at the actual ball flight.

[grant2145]

Within the Foresight software, there is a "wait for spin" setting where the shot is displayed instantly when turned off. Ball flight starts out dead straight and will be adjusted mid-flight after the spin is measured.

When the option is turned on there is a slight delay while the spin is being measured before the shot is displayed.

[joefrank25]

Thanks COgolfengineer. Good feedback. I've actually gone to see Full Swing and HD Gold in person and I definitely noticed a difference compared to Trackman. Totally appreciate that there are more important things than the delay - that's just what I'm focused on initially because for whatever reason, it's what I like. I get that paying $100k to get locked into a system stinks, which is why I'm trying to figure out if I can build this myself with components and achieve no delay.

and davidepope good feedback on being the one hitting vs watching on YouTube! I'm hoping to physically play whatever I purchase ahead of time.

[tlrcash]

To each their own. After you get past the delay of the SkyTrak (so something in the BLP, Foresight, or Uneekor lines), I would not jump to a higher tier LM just for the sake of reducing delay. There are so many more important things to focus on. If money isn’t a factor, go nuts. However, most people have some sort of budget in mind and the rest of your dollars are better spent on the other components that makeup your sim setup.

[Martijn]

Hi JoeFrank25

ProTee's new launch monitor, the VX, will also have zero delay among many other great features. If you are looking for a high-quality, zero-delay ceiling launch monitor which is more affordable, then the VX may be the system for you.

Learn more about the system at proteelaunchmonitors.com

If you have any questions, I would be happy to answer them!