Head Spinning

[Stetson]

My head is spinning every time I go to the GSA site.

The products are so similar it is almost impossible to distinguish, plus he uses the same photo for multiple items. The Vistrak Stereo IR and Quantam have the exact same photo and specs. Both measure spin, spin axis, ball horizontal and vertical angle, club path and face, include IR lights, etc ... yet one is $800 cheaper if they come to production at some point. Then the Quantum C is included in pics next to the LX units but clearly it is an overhead mount unit that does all the same things as what is listed in the two units from the first sentence.

Frankly I would just like him to create a table, with checkmarks, indicating what each unit can do and what the price is. I think Keither is going to bring a great deal of focus and direction to Martin's business (assuming the deal happens) and it will be great for golfers everywhere.

[Jwheels9876]

Neither of them probably exists yet so I wouldn't worry about it. Check back in a year and see if they made it to the finish line

[gojoholo]

Frankly I would just like him to create a table, with checkmarks, indicating what each unit can do and what the price is. I think Keither is going to bring a great deal of focus and direction to Martin's business (assuming the deal happens) and it will be great for golfers everywhere.

I actually sent Martin a partially filled table I had started a few weeks ago and asked him to fill in the blanks. He said he'd do it, but seems to have forgotten about it. Of course it's out of date now with all the recent product "launches".

[gojoholo]

This is what I have gathered from the GSA website and this forum. There are a LOT of unknowns, especially in the accuracy of measurement. These are indicated by "X" or "?" in the table. Apologies for any mistakes:

System	VisTrak Eagle	VisTrak Eagle + VCam	VisTrak Eagle + VCamB	VisTrak Stereo	VisTrak IR Stereo	VisTrak Quantum C	LX3
Description	Single ceiling mounted camera	Ceiling mounted camera paired with low camera	Ceiling mounted camera paired with stereo cameras in a floor unit	Single high speed camera, 2 separate stereo cameras	Single high speed camera, line scan camera, dual stero cameras and IR light source in a single ceiling mounted unit	Single high speed camera, dual spin cameras in one case. Separate IR light source	Freestanding floor unit with stereo ball measurement cameras plus a clubhead camera
Set-up
Installation position	Ceiling mounted, 9 feet from floor, 3 feet ahead of tee	Celing mounted (Eagle) and floor/wall mounted (VCam) 4-5 feet ahead of tee and 5-7 feet off centreline	Celing mounted (Eagle) and floor/wall mounted (VCamB) 2-3 feet ahead of tee and 5-8 feet off centreline	Ceiling/wall mounted, 9 feet from floor, 3-5 feet ahead of tee. Stereo cameras 5-8 feet either side and equidistant from centreline	Ceiling mounted, 9 feet from floor, 3 feet ahead of tee	Ceiling mounted	Freestanding on floor, 2 feet from tee (opposite golfer)
Requires DIY	yes	yes	yes	yes	yes	yes	no
Power	2 Mains ceiling outlets (one for spotlight, one for Eagle)	2 Mains ceiling outlets (one for spotlight, one for Eagle). One wall/floor outlet (for VCam)	2 Mains ceiling outlets (one for spotlight, one for Eagle). One wall/floor outlet (for VCamB)	?	1 Mains ceiling outlet.	?	1 Mains wall/floor outlet.
Data	All units require a USB3 connection to the PC (one per case?)
Lighting requirements	Additional spotlight included	Additional spotlight included	Additional spotlight included	?	IR built-in	IR included in package	Ambient Light Sufficient?
PC requirements	Desktop Gaming PC	Desktop Gaming PC	Desktop Gaming PC	Desktop Gaming PC	Desktop Gaming PC	Desktop Gaming PC	Laptop or Desktop Gaming PC
Hitting Area size	large	large	large	large	large	small	small
Left/right handed at same time	yes	yes	yes	yes	yes	yes	no
Measurements
Vertical launch	no	measured (+/- X deg)	measured (+/- X deg)	measured stereoscopically (+/- X deg)	measured stereoscopically (+/- X deg)	calculated by change in image size (+/- X deg)	measured (+/- X deg)
Horizontal Launch	measured (+/- X deg)	measured (+/- X deg)	measured (+/- X deg)	measured (+/- 0.13 deg)	measured (+/- 0.13 deg)	measured (+/- X deg)	calculated (+/- X deg)
Ball spin	no	no	measured (+/- X deg) marked balls reqd?	calculated. (+/- X rpm)	calculated. (+/- X rpm)	measured (+/- X deg) marked balls reqd.	measured (+/- X deg)
Ball speed	measured (+/- X mph)	measured (+/- X mph)	measured (+/- X mph)	measured (+/- X mph)	measured (+/- X mph)	measured (+/- X mph)	measured (+/- X mph)
Club face	measured (+/- X deg)	measured (+/- X deg)	measured (+/- X deg)	measured (+/- X deg)	measured (+/- X deg)	measured (+/- X deg)	measured (+/- X deg)
Club path	measured (+/- X deg)	measured (+/- X deg)	measured (+/- X deg)	measured (+/- X deg)	measured (+/- X deg)	measured (+/- X deg)	measured (+/- X deg)
Club speed	measured (+/- X mph)	measured (+/- X mph)	measured (+/- X mph)	measured (+/- X mph)	measured (+/- X mph)	measured (+/- X mph)	measured (+/- X mph)
Angle of Attack	no	no	yes?	yes?	yes?	yes?	yes?
Putting Accuracy	?	?	?	HA +/- 0.25 deg	HA +/- 0.25 deg	?	?
Other Features
Video review	yes, overhead	yes, overhead	yes, overhead	yes, overhead	yes, overhead	yes, overhead	yes, side-on?
Golf Sim Software Compatibility	E6 Connect The Golf Club 2019 RedChain Perfect Parallel ProX Creative Golf 3D (coming soon)	E6 Connect The Golf Club 2019 RedChain Perfect Parallel ProX Creative Golf 3D (coming soon)	E6 Connect The Golf Club 2019 RedChain Perfect Parallel ProX Creative Golf 3D (coming soon)	E6 Connect The Golf Club 2019 RedChain Perfect Parallel ProX Creative Golf 3D (coming soon)	E6 Connect The Golf Club 2019 RedChain Perfect Parallel ProX Creative Golf 3D (coming soon)	E6 Connect The Golf Club 2019 RedChain Perfect Parallel ProX Creative Golf 3D (coming soon)	E6 Connect The Golf Club 2019 RedChain Perfect Parallel ProX Creative Golf 3D (coming soon)
Availability	Now	Now	Now	Now	Now	Q3 2020?	Q3 2020?
Price (at July 2020)	$1799	$3499	$3798	£2,999	$3999	$2199 ($1899 without lighting)	$2999

[keither5150]

Send me the spreadsheet and I will make the corrections. Funny.....I was thinking of doing this exact same thing. The values would be from my crude tests....which are somewhat explained in my Youtube videos. You may want to add putting speed accuracy as it may differ slightly from ball speed accuracy. Before I took down my old sim room to build the new one. I determined that the stereo setup can see a putting speed difference when a 5 foot putt rolls 2 inches farther. HA for putting is equally impressive. Once I get the new sim room up and running, I will post some up to date videos of the latest tech. I have not been sent the LX3 or the Quantum. But I can tell you that we are down to the nit picky things for Vistrak Stereo. The Vistrak Stereo is quite playable.

[gojoholo]

Sent you a message

[Stetson]

Has there been any progress on the codevelopment of this listing?

[Stetson]

Fantastic stuff gentlemen!

thus rough draft table sure indicates very similar outputs across many form factors.

[gojoholo]

After reading a lot of the tech news posts its clear (and not a secret) that the same cameras are used across most of the systems. The differences are in the lenses (zoom for spin detection), the casing, the lighting and of course the software. By using the same cameras he makes it possible to extend and upgrade the system you have a bought to a more capable one. Also you can save money by opting for cheaper or no casing, because it doesn't affect the features. That's the theory anyway, I can't speak from experience, I'm just a potential customer at this point.

[Stetson]

So if many systems give you all club and ball data than it is a matter of cost and hitting area right?

if the Quantum C does everything the StereoIR does but cost less and is smaller on the ceiling it seems like a no brained right?

[gojoholo]

Don't forget that the Quantum requires marked balls, which will be the deciding factor for some people.

[gojoholo]

When I started the table essentially I had the same question, why pay more for the stereo? My assumption was it was to do with the accuracy of the measurements being different across the systems. E.g. Quantum more accurate for spin, Stereo more accurate for launch angle etc. Unfortunately that data is largely unknown.

[Stetson]

I would have guessed it is more about the hardware. Built in IR, camera lenses, etc.

Once this is done I’ll be curious to know which does the following:

Measure ball spin, spin axis, HLA, VLA, Club path, video replay, unmarked balls and has the largest hitting area.

[Jon]

If I saw a single video on you tube with a side by side comparison to an industry staple like track man or quad and the data was similar, I’d immediately place an order. Even a pre order. But until there Is some evidence that the GSA LMs perform as they are supposed to, then it’s still just a grand idea. The website seems to indicate a desire to be compared to the GC Quad. So why not show us how it does in a side by side with the quad. That’s all I would need to see to be firmly in the GSA Golf corner

[Mrcovers]

I have the GSA stereo. I've packed it away it never worked for me. I'll tell you one piece of advice. Don't but anything until either fliterscope which is Ricky or keither tell you it works. They are the 2 testers and they will be honest. ATM nothing you purchase will work with one exception which is the stereo but it's a major Pain to calibrate and get working hence why I packed mine away.

[flightscoperick]

Yes the Vistrak Stereo system is very difficult for some to setup the software. The system it’s self is very accurate and good once setup properly. It requires lots of fine tuning. So if your not a patient person and want something that’s basically plug and play. This is not the system for you at this time. Will be starting testing on the Quantum F ‘this weekend and LX2 will report next week.

[gojoholo]

Will be starting testing on the Quantum F ‘this weekend and LX2 will report next week.

Are you testing the LX2 as a standalone unit or in combination with the Eagle overhead camera?

[flightscoperick]

Eagle over head Kieth will be testing the stand alone. . Right now it doesn’t work