Large push hook and ball flight laws

[itsScoobie]

I've been to two coaches, and both of them have told me the reason that I hook it is because of my closed clubface at the top of my backswing. My confusion with this is that it's not like I hit pull hooks, I hit push hooks. Big ones at that (on skytrak my numbers with a wedge usually read 6* azimuth right, 12* tilt axis left). Based on these numbers doesn't it mean that my face is roughly 6* open at impact and my path is roughly 18* in to out?

On video my swing doesn't look that far from in to out but I guess that must be the case. I understand why some people still believe old ball flight laws, it feels like the ball curves way more off of face than it does face to path.

I was wondering if the friendly people of the internet had any ideas as to why I have such a large push hook. I really like my strong grip (I can generate a lot of speed for my size with consistent ball striking), but I can't stand continuing to push hook it this much. I guess my desired shot pattern is a closed face pull cut like DJ hits.

[Jerome]

I think DJ started to bow his wrist to prevent a slice when he was younger. I recall reading that Hogan had "hook" trouble and fixed it by cupping his wrist(opposite of DJ). Your wrist looks bowed at the top, you might want try a slightly cupped wrist and see what happens.

[Wormburner]

without having true club data we are really speculating on the club info. Say that your interpretation is correct with 6* open face and 18* in to out. You have a club face that is closed 12* to your path. This will cause a huge push-hook. Your club face tends to cause where the ball ends up and the swing path causes the amount of curvature the ball has before it gets to its final destination. 18* in to out is going to cause a TON of curve if that data is accurate. You got to think, the human body is adaptive right? Humans adapt to what the mind wants to accomplish. Your swing is way inside which throws golfball way right and your brain knows that so consequently you have to shut the club to bring the ball back towards target.
I say all of this to get to my next point. You dont need to fix club at top, you need to stop coming inside so much. Fix swing path first. Once your body adapts to new swing path your club face will start to be closed less. This will take time but it will work with reps. There are Several drills out there you can do to fix both but only concentrate with one goal at a time.

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[itsScoobie]

You dont need to fix club at top, you need to stop coming inside so much. Fix swing path first. Once your body adapts to new swing path your club face will start to be closed less. This will take time but it will work with reps.

I like the idea of that much better than having to try to make a grip change. Thanks for your input

[RollinRox]

You've probably heard this a lot, but I think it would be beneficial to your swing as a whole if you tried to quiet down your right leg. Believe me, I know how hard it is to do that, because I've struggled with the same thing. I'm not sure how this related to your shot shape, but I think it would still help. It looks like it pops forward a lot, when it would be better if it moved towards your target line. I struggle with the same thing sometimes, but a good swing thought I try to employ is this: I try to feel my right knee moving towards my left heel in the downswing, and just focus on feeling that. This is also one of my favorite videos about leg action https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kJYbIBZHws. It says the same thing: that your right leg shouldn't pop forward, but should move towards your left leg. I'm not a coach, so take all of this with a grain of salt. It's just something that stood out to me that I would try to work on.

[itsScoobie]

You've probably heard this a lot, but I think it would be beneficial to your swing as a whole if you tried to quiet down your right leg. Believe me, I know how hard it is to do that, because I've struggled with the same thing. I'm not sure how this related to your shot shape, but I think it would still help. It looks like it pops forward a lot, when it would be better if it moved towards your target line. I struggle with the same thing sometimes, but a good swing thought I try to employ is this: I try to feel my right knee moving towards my left heel in the downswing, and just focus on feeling that. This is also one of my favorite videos about leg action https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kJYbIBZHws. It says the same thing: that your right leg shouldn't pop forward, but should move towards your left leg. I'm not a coach, so take all of this with a grain of salt. It's just something that stood out to me that I would try to work on.

You're right I have heard that a lot, but your explanation was a lot better than the others I've heard (everyone else usually just tries to tell me to freeze my right knee in the downswing and if I try it I lose all my speed). I like the magic box drill (my right knee moves about three times as much as he prescribes lol), I'll have to try that today to see how it works for me. Thanks a lot for your input.

[RollinRox]

I'm glad I could help!

[GutterSnipe]

To simplify the process, go to www.adamyounggolf.com . He helps you learn to focus on what’s happening at impact, not focus on changing your swing. He does have monthly plans etc, but the critical stuff is available for free.

The basic idea is to experiment with changing your path and club face angle at impact. Learn these skills and your swing changes will come for free. To respond to those lesson pros...there are pros with a closed face at the top.

Testimonial: I’m a decent 5 handicapper, but have always struggled with a closed face. Two weeks working with Adam’s stuff and not only are my skills and awareness better, but I finally hit a real fade with a 7 iron. Before if I tried to hit a fade I’d lose 20 yards because I had to hold off everything to prevent the closed club face.

The catch is that you get to stop playing golf swing and start playing golf, and it can be hard to stop relying on swing thoughts.

[tkvaughn999]

Swing left. Have club exit left and not right. you'll hit straight blocks, then push fades. You'll learn to once again love and use that strong grip as you adapt.