SkyTrak Short Game Correction - TGC

[DirtyGarry24]

This has been discussed before, but with many new members, I think it could be talked about some more. I have been extremely frustrated with spin numbers around the greens when playing TGC. Outside of 30 yards the ball seems to spin a lot. Inside 30 yards you get the 1200/1300 spin numbers and the ball rolls out terribly far. If you're short sided (guilty), you have little chance of getting it near the hole with 1200 spin. I was this close to selling most of kids toys to be able to buy a GC2. That would have been a huge blow to my conscience until the GC2 arrived.

Then I was reminded (can't remember who) of the "short game correction" setting. When turned ON, you'll rarely/never get missed reads with short chips (5 - 8 yards), however you can expect those dismal spin numbers out to 25/29 yards and in my opinion makes the game feel awful. After switching "short game correction" to OFF, I can get more realistic spin numbers around the greens and it's sooo much more enjoyable.

You'll have to go ahead and hit the short chips to get them to read and that will be an adjustment if you've been playing with the setting ON. The ball will check though, which is nice. I've had no problem with 6 yard chips once adjusting my approach to the shot. I took a screen shot of a 15 yard chip that I hit while playing yesterday and want to share. Look at that spin!!!

[allen2be]

Thanks DirtyGarry24 I changed my 'short game correction' to OFF the other night, but haven't had a chance to play yet.

About how many shots has it been taking for you to register chips under ~10 yards? Are we talking 10 hits and then it will finally register one? Just curious for comparison to my own.

I also changed my TGC settings .txt file to tone down the roll outs as well, so we'll see if the two changes are overkill.

[Ironstrokes]

It usually depends on how hard you are hitting the chip from all my experience. If you only are trying to carry the ball 3 yards or less it may never read until you hit it a tiny bit harder. It's more random that you keep hitting it a tiny bit harder each time until it reads. Seems ok at first with getting the better spin but gets frustrating as hell after playing 100 rounds with this. It is pretty much the main reason I switched to the gc2 (the other features are a nice bonus too), I would be playing with someone and we'd get stuck hitting a small chip 3, 5, 10+ times tying to get it to read and took us out of the game for sure.

[wbond]

Yep, shortcoming for sure on sim play. I shortside myself a lot so i leave the setting ON. Too frustrating hitting over and over again, but equally frustrating on seeing it roll on by.

[allen2be]

Alright thanks guys, I'll give it a shot with it turned OFF, but I'll probably get pissed off and turn it back ON haha.

[DirtyGarry24]

I had zero missed shots yesterday when I played allen2be . The 6 yard chip that I can remember, I believe I hit it 6 yards in the air and it spun and stopped a couple feet past. I did have a lot of trouble with one shot the first round I had this turned on. But, I feel it was my technique more than anything because I had been having to use more of a bump and run type shot because of the excess run out. I don't like the term hinge and hold, but it's a decent way to describe my normal technique. I'm not sure if that resonates though.

Here's how the shot went when I had trouble getting it to read (8 yds.). I had about 8 no reads in a row, got pissed and slapped the hell out of it. It ended up on the green 80ish feet away. I then hit that putt way too hard and ended up almost exactly where I was before when chipping. Then I decided to hit the chip harder and lower and see if it would spin. And it ended up a couple of feet behind the hole.

It's still too early to tell if it's the magical end to the issues, but I'm excited about it for now. Definitely worth giving it a shot. Personally I'll the go the route of Ironstrokes (GC2) before I go back to the shot correction on.

You really need to have the mentality though that you are ok even having to putt a 7 or 8 foot comebacker on a 6 yard chip shot. Yes, those are nearly always gimmes the other way, but factor in how many 24 yard chips that roll out 20 feet and you are miles ahead. I plan on giving it some more testing this evening. If I'm having another probable bad practice round on that junk course (Riviera) then I'll set up some short chips where I can test.

[wbond]

It would help if we got definitive clarification on the yardage when this takes effect. I've asked but i don't recall seeing a response. I think it's supposed to be 20yds and in.

[allen2be]

wbond that's kind of what I was going with the other night in my first tourney round, but I had one about 22 yards and it ran like crazy... could have been a lot of things, though (thinny, mis-read, etc...) which is what makes it so tough to diagnose!

[Ironstrokes]

It would help if we got definitive clarification on the yardage when this takes effect. I've asked but i don't recall seeing a response. I think it's supposed to be 20yds and in.

I'm pretty sure it is 20 yards and in where the 'putting mode' activates. But been a while since I tested this all, so not 100 percent sure. Should be easy to test though. If someone just gets themself a 21 yard chip and then putt it a yard or so and see if the next shot automatically puts you into putting mode

[Ironstrokes]

I had zero missed shots yesterday when I played allen2be . The 6 yard chip that I can remember, I believe I hit it 6 yards in the air and it spun and stopped a couple feet past. I did have a lot of trouble with one shot the first round I had this turned on. But, I feel it was my technique more than anything because I had been having to use more of a bump and run type shot because of the excess run out. I don't like the term hinge and hold, but it's a decent way to describe my normal technique. I'm not sure if that resonates though.

Here's how the shot went when I had trouble getting it to read (8 yds.). I had about 8 no reads in a row, got pissed and slapped the hell out of it. It ended up on the green 80ish feet away. I then hit that putt way too hard and ended up almost exactly where I was before when chipping. Then I decided to hit the chip harder and lower and see if it would spin. And it ended up a couple of feet behind the hole.

It's still too early to tell if it's the magical end to the issues, but I'm excited about it for now. Definitely worth giving it a shot. Personally I'll the go the route of Ironstrokes (GC2) before I go back to the shot correction on.

You really need to have the mentality though that you are ok even having to putt a 7 or 8 foot comebacker on a 6 yard chip shot. Yes, those are nearly always gimmes the other way, but factor in how many 24 yard chips that roll out 20 feet and you are miles ahead. I plan on giving it some more testing this evening. If I'm having another probable bad practice round on that junk course (Riviera) then I'll set up some short chips where I can test.

Exactly my run of things as well Gary. Loved getting everything to read for the longest time because I felt that lower spin and roll out was very accurate for very short chips, but got more and more annoying the closer you got to 20 yards. So switched to the better spin mode and kept it like that for the next like 4 month's until that drove me crazy as well haha. And then just moved on entirely

[DirtyGarry24]

Yep, it's definitely important enough to me to change hardware if it doesn't improve. For what it's worth, I don't think the super spin you get on the longer pitches out of the rough is accurate either, but at least it's consistent. Consistency is very important to me. I can play around some of the inaccuracies as long as it's consistent.

As far as 20 yards vs. 30 yards, you guys are most likely correct on that. I really haven't paid enough attention to the break over yardage as I have tried to not play the shot differently. Seemed it was 30 yards maybe not.

[Chris Skinkle]

So, I'm fairly new to SkyTrak TGC. I've played 6 rounds. I have been adjusting to what i feel is rediculous roll-out on all shots. IRL, when I hit a 7i It will stop dead where it lands. Maybe spin back a bit. In this game, i have to expect a 10-15yard roll-out. Right now i left the default HIGH BACK SPIN CORRECTION=ON and SHORT CHIP CORRECTION=ON. Do you think I should change these to off? I play a fair bit of bump and run in real life but these roll-outs are crazy.

[Chris Skinkle]

The roll-outs really killed me on PB because they were tucked in so tight to the corners of the greens.

[BadEddieKit]

The High Back spin correction, as far as what I have seen, stops you from getting an unrealistic reading for a shot that is hit really high with alot of backspin. Example is off the tee, if I hit under the ball and pop it up, it should go about 150-200 yards, with a 250 driver being normal. With the back spin correction off, I would hit that same shot and it would carry 260 yards, when clearly it shouldnt.

[DirtyGarry24]

You should definitely try it Chris Skinkle as far as short chip correction. I'm unfamiliar with high back spin correction so can't comment on that. I just played my first tourney round at Riviera, just wanted to get it over with. Like real life, not caring ended up in a good number.

However, I enjoyed the hell out of being able to be aggressive with short pitches around the green and have them check. Was wonderful.

As far as really short chips, I only had one (5yards). I was actually on the fringe and wanted to putt it badly, but for science and you guys (lol) I chipped. First attempt didn't read, and then I chipped the next one in. To be honest, it was a little hot and would have been outside gimme range, probably 8 or 9 feet. I was willing to have the come backer though and feel that I saved 4 or more shots with the higher spin otherwise. So, I would have come out strokes ahead either way. Good luck.

[Ironstrokes]

Definitely agree with you there Gary on the spin out of the rough being way too high sometimes. Shouldn't be stopping that dead.

But still gotta play with the green speed/firmness settings a lot more as well to see if there is any sweet spot. This is something I suggest you play with as well Chris and hopefully you get a little more realistic roll out with that along with trying the short chip correction.

[Chris Skinkle]

Whenever I change Green Speed and Firmness in the settings and save the file it always changes back after I run TGC. Has anyone else encountered this problem? I played last night with the high backspin correction and short chip corrections set to OFF. It made a world of difference for me. No more ridiculous roll-outs. I did have an 8 yard chip that i got two misreads on . Mostly because I was baby'ing the chips from the previous settings. I then hit it a little harder and had a perfect chip.

[DirtyGarry24]

Chris, I think you are not set to administrator. I've heard something like this before.

[allen2be]

Got a round in with the 'short chip correction' off and that is much better. Only had one or two no-reads, but didn't have any extremely short chips under 5 or 6 yards either. Thanks for posting about it and reminding me to try it out!

[DirtyGarry24]

allen2be - 👍🏼

I'm super stoked about it. I'm gonna mess around with some crazy stuff on those short chips. Maybe can come up with a shot that'll work. Maybe tee it up, is that legal? 64 degree wedge? Maybe the super delfoted putter wayyy back in the stance (outside back foot) and pop it out of there? Monte Scheinblum taught me that shot out of terrible lies with no green to work with. Try it sometime. Incredible.

Gotta be a way to conquer that one shot and have all the rest be so good. We SkyTrak users have to get creative on this.