Will skytrak ever be able to show face angle, swing path

[Rcush88]

Just wondering if the technology they have would be able to give those stats like p3 proswing did? Swing path
Face angle and impact on the face?

[Mike80]

I know Skytrak only reads the ball flight. So out of curiosity, in the E6 demo it outputs data for the face angle and swing path. How does it get this data and how accurate is it if only estimating?

[Mazenblue]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzZS2hwAuD8

[goatbarn]

It won't be able to unless they sell an add-on piece of equipment and put stickers on the face of the clubs.

It's the same as GC2. No way to measure those things based on pictures taken perpendicular to the target line, just above ground level.

You'd need something else to take pictures of the club head from above or off to the side with stickers.

[Wev]

There's no camera or anything measuring this, so the short answer is no, but there is a fairly simple way to figure it out:

If you understand ball flight laws and gear effect you can figure it out (close enough for this price point) if you know the ball flight (sktrack) and impact position (direct measurement). I measure impact position and lie be penning a straight line on the ball (like how people line the ball for putting etc) with a whiteboard marker and note where it transfers to the club. This confirms if the lie is good (which controls the direction of the loft) and then the impact position can give you an estimate of gear effect and strike quality.

ie (for a right hander):
If the ball flight starts straight and stays straight there's a good chance face and path are near 0 and it's somewhere central on the club face.
If the ball flight starts straight and curves right it's possible face is near 0, path is left (out to in) and impact is somewhere central on the club face or
also as above, it's possible face is near 0, path is near 0 and strike is somewhere towards the heel of club face (smash factor will also be effected)
If the ball flight starts straight and curves left it's possible face is near 0, path is right (in to out) and impact is somewhere central on the club face or
also as above, it's possible face is near 0, path is near 0 and strike is somewhere towards the toe of club face (smash factor will also be effected)

It can get a bit more complicated when say you swing left (slice), but toe it, as the gear effect can counteract or overcome the face to path. Same as a left swing and hitting it in the heel can add on to each other and be disastrous.

So with the above if skytrack has the ball starting straight and then going left and you've measured the impact position as central and lie as good then it's practically certain that you're swinging in to out. Lower lofted clubs draw more due to the D-Plane.

Above example based on the ball starting 100% where the face angle is, for simplicity (rather than 85% face, 15% path which the new ball flight laws suggest).

Measure impact position, it can effect everything massively, strike is key. Using a marker works better than face tape as it doesn't take spin off the ball which can greatly effect distance.

Lie angle is also critical, you could have the face looking like it's 0 and path 0, but if you deliver the club so the lie is toe up then the ball will start left, as this is where the loft is pointing. This is less critical on higher lofted clubs.

[TorchRedRob]

Great post. I agree with everything, except I believe your last sentence should say --This is less critical on lower lofted clubs-- or --This is more critical on higher lofted clubs-- That is to say, lie angle has more impact with a lob wedge than it does with a driver in terms of starting direction.

[MrHogan]

Only problem with marking the ball is that it's also going to mark your nice expensive impact screen. I've heard folks try Dr scholls foot spray on the face of the club not sure if that would leave marks on the screen.

[Ookie]

For face angle, they apparently plan to integrate it with the Skypro, which is a good piece of equipment in its own right. Only negative is you have to attach it to the shaft each time.