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  • Ratings and slope - Analysis of over 3000 tournament rounds

    Hey guys with a view to improving upon the current rating system for courses I analyzed over 3,000 tournament rounds, and found some interesting results. For the time being here is an overview of the scoring,

    Rounds, 3012, Median score - 81, rounds in the 60s - 83, 70s - 1145, 80s - 1136, 90s - 451 and over 100 - 197.

    Next post I'll share some thoughts on how courses should be rated based upon my findings.

  • #16
    More food for thought, tournament courses ranked by median score,
    Yards Par Rounds Best Top 10 Median
    4/11/2016 Harbour Town Golf Links Sunday 6,915 71 54 76 76.6 90.0
    3/14/2016 The Marina Golf Club 6,872 72 70 72 77.0 88.0
    5/2/2016 Quail Hollow Wells Fargo Sunday 7,147 72 46 72 75.6 88.0
    2/22/2016 PGA National Honda Friday 6,496 71 62 71 73.8 87.0
    5/30/2016 Muirfield Village Golf Club 2015(final) 7,432 72 67 77 77.4 87.0
    10/19/2015 Tomahawk Golf Club 6,886 71 32 71 71.3 86.7
    5/16/2016 Pinehurst #2 ProTee Blue 6,602 72 102 69 72.3 86.0
    7/18/2016 Glen Abbey GC (White Tees) by BoomBoom 6,788 73 57 70 72.5 85.0
    10/12/2015 Pine Valley White tees 6,035 70 42 71 73.0 84.5
    1/4/2016 Kapalua Bay Golf Club 6,711 72 38 72 74.8 84.5
    10/26/2015 Doube Black Course at Christina Pines 6,705 72 35 68 70.3 84.0
    3/21/2016 East Lake Golf Club 6,838
    73
    70 73 74.1 84.0
    10/17/2016 Oceanic Athletic Club 6,777 72 111 68 70.8 83.0
    10/24/2016 Congressional CC (Protee) 6,462 71 113 63 68.4 83.0
    1/25/2016 Spyglass Hill 2015 (Sat) 6,817 72 40 70 72.0 82.5
    2/15/2016 Rivera Country Club (White tees) 6,525 71 48 71 69.8 82.0
    7/11/2016 The Belfry - The Brabazon (Protee) 6,443
    72
    89 69 72.3 82.0
    9/19/2016 Pebble Beach Golf Links (SUN) 7,037 72 54 70 72.0 82.0
    11/16/2015 The Oaks at Weschester blue tees 6,543 72 28 71 73.3 81.5
    1/18/2016 PGA West Palmer Thursday tees 6,500
    71
    42 68 71.0 81.5
    11/9/2015 Tobo GolfKlub Protee #2 6,173 72 36 67 69.3 81.0
    1/11/2016 Tobacco Dunes Golf Club ProTee 6,500 71 36 65 69.3 81.0
    2/7/2016 New Lunenberg Nationa Golf - Protee2 6,671 72 42 71 71.0 81.0
    3/28/2016 GC of Houston (Protee) 6,480
    72
    80 72 71.3 81.0
    4/25/2016 The Walker Course Tiger Tees 6,921 71 58 67 69.7 81.0
    5/23/2016 Oceanic Athletic Club 6,777
    72
    59 70 71.3 81.0
    6/6/2016 Pine Valley Protee Blue tees 6,613
    70
    53 67 70.0 81.0
    6/13/2016 Oakmont Country Club (ProTee Green - 6836) 6,837
    71
    97 71 73.3 81.0
    Last edited by Cklguy2013; 11-03-2016, 02:28 PM.

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    • #17
      Continued,
      6/20/2016 Congressional CC (Protee) 6,462
      71
      59 69 70.2 81.0
      7/4/2016 Greenbrier Old TPC 7,002
      70
      57 69 70.8 81.0
      8/15/2016 Magnolia National 2016 (Protee) 6,356 72 61 69 71.8 81.0
      8/29/2016 TPC @ Boston (ProTee) 6,380 72 58 69 69.8 81.0
      9/5/2016 Crooked Stick (Protee) 6,499 72 59 68 69.3 81.0
      10/10/2016 NGLA 6,514 72 120 67 70.6 81.0
      11/23/2016 Whistling Straits blue tees 6,627 72 28 69 71.0 80.5
      12/14/2015 Winter Flathead Country Club 6,380 72 30 72 69.7 80.0
      3/7/2016 Protee Royal Troon Old Course 2015 6,558
      71
      103 71 70.7 80.0
      4/18/2016 Chicago Golf Club Final Ed 6,666 70 42 70 72.8 80.0
      11/2/2016 Merion East Ardmore Pa (Protee) 6,182 72 36 68 70.8 79.5
      11/30/2015 Monarch Montreal Protee 6,573 70 37 69 70.3 79.0
      2/29/2016 TPC @ Boston (Protee) 6,380
      72
      66 72 68.6 79.0
      8/22/2016 Bethpage State Black Course (Pro-Tee) by BoomBoom 6,533 70 62 67 69.7 79.0
      9/12/2016 NGLA - The National (ProTee) 6,514 72 61 67 69.7 79.0
      5/9/2016 TPC at Sawgrass (Protee) 6,303 72 96 67 69.2 78.5
      6/27/2016 Firestone CC South (Protee) 6,611
      70
      62 66 68.2 78.5
      4/4/2016 Magnolia National 2016 (Protee) 6,356 72 129 65 69.9 78.0
      7/25/2016 Stonebirdge GC - Ottawa (Black - A - ProTee) 6,451 73 97 67 69.1 78.0
      9/26/2016 Stonebirdge GC - Ottawa (Black - A - ProTee) 6,451 73 66 69 69.9 78.0
      2/14/2016 Pebble Beach Golf Links (Protee) 6,230 72 66 67 68.9 77.5
      Mean average 6,603 71.6 62.4 69.4 71.3 81.9
      Last edited by Cklguy2013; 11-03-2016, 02:27 PM.

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      • #18
        Not surprised at Harbor Town leading the way, that thing was a beast. Long with really narrow fairways.

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        • #19
          Now that we have the ability to pull and sort data like this. Is there a way that we can automate the course ratings? We really don't need to change the handicapping system as much as we need to change the course ratings. Now that we have lots of players on the tour, the data should be accurate enough to do so. ProTee has proven to be very accommodating when it comes to making changes to the tour. We just need to make sure that it's feasible and bring it to them in a logical manor.

          I looked at a couple of courses...... These are real ratings pulled from scorecards. It would be nice if we had enough data that we could automate the course ratings..... sim only of course.


          NGLS 6514 yards 133 slope

          Oceanic course...( not real) 6777 132 ( my guess )

          Congressional CC 6500 132

          Oakland hills CC 6556 132

          Whistling straits Protee 6627 137

          Sea island CC 6500 137

          KPC ( Kapalua Plantation course ) 7400 144

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          • Cklguy2013
            Cklguy2013 commented
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            I would propose starting off with a rating based on yardage and a slope of 113, then as we have data on the course relative to other courses adjust the rating up or down based on how tough or easy it plays. With regards to slope, the difference between the rating and the median score could be used, as the difference between the scratch rating and the bogey rating are in real life,with the difference being multiplied by 5.38 in real life. In an analysis of the numbers I've run I would see the difference between median and rating being multiplied by 9.44 to arrive at slope. FYI Tomahawk Golf Club would have the highest slope of 155, and Chicago golf club the lowest of 82, Harbour town would be 141.
            Last edited by Cklguy2013; 11-03-2016, 03:45 PM.

        • #20
          I would propose the following ratings and slope,
          Yards Par Rating Slope
          Bethpage State Black Course (Pro-Tee) by BoomBoom 6,533 70 68.5 103
          Chicago Golf Club Final Ed 6,666 70 71.5 82
          Congressional CC (Protee) 6,462 71 67.5 144
          Crooked Stick (Protee) 6,499 72 68.0 127
          Double Black Course at Christina Pines
          Dovetail Park - Winter
          6,705
          6,399
          72
          72
          69.0
          70.0
          147
          109
          East Lake Golf Club 6,838 73 73.0 109
          Firestone CC South (Protee) 6,611 70 67.0 113
          GC of Houston (Protee) 6,480 72 70.0 107
          Glen Abbey GC (White Tees) by BoomBoom 6,788 73 71.5 135
          Greenbrier Old TPC 7,002 70 70.0 112
          Harbour Town Golf Links Sunday 6,915 71 75.5 144
          Kapalua Bay Golf Club 6,711 72 73.5 107
          Magnolia National 2016 (Protee) 6,356 72 68.5 114
          Merion East Ardmore Pa (Protee) 6,182 72 69.5 97
          Monarch Montreal Protee 6,573 70 69.0 97
          Muirfield Village Golf Club 2015(final) 7,432 72 76.0 106
          New Lunenberg Nationa Golf - Protee2 6,671 72 70.0 110
          NGLA - The National (ProTee) 6,514 72 69.0 109
          Oakmont Country Club (ProTee Green - 6836) 6,837 71 72.0 87
          Oceanic Athletic Club 6,777 72 70.5 114
          Pebble Beach Golf Links (Protee) 6,230 72 68.0 96
          Pebble Beach Golf Links (SUN) 7,037 72 71.0 110
          PGA National Honda Friday 6,496 71 72.5 142
          PGA West Palmer Thursday tees 6,500 71 70.0 115
          Pine Valley Protee Blue tees 6,613 70 69.0 120
          Pine Valley White tees 6,035 70 72.0 125
          Pinehurst #2 ProTee Blue 6,602 72 71.0 147
          Protee Royal Troon Old Course 2015 6,558 71 69.5 103
          Quail Hollow Wells Fargo Sunday 7,147 72 74.5 134
          Rivera Country Club (White tees) 6,525 71 69.0 132
          Spyglass Hill 2015 (Sat) 6,817 72 71.0 115
          Stonebirdge GC - Ottawa (Black - A - ProTee) 6,451 73 68.5 94
          The Belfry - The Brabazon (Protee) 6,443 72 71.0 107
          The Marina Golf Club 6,872 72 76.0 120
          The Oaks at Weschester blue tees 6,543 72 72.0 92
          The Walker Course Tiger Tees 6,921 71 68.5 123
          Tobacco Dunes Golf Club ProTee 6,500 71 68.0 127
          Tobo GolfKlub Protee #2 6,173 72 68.0 127
          Tomahawk Golf Club 6,886 71 70.5 155
          TPC @ Boston (Protee) 6,380 72 67.5 124
          TPC at Sawgrass (Protee) 6,303 72 68.0 103
          Whistling Straits blue tees 6,627 72 70.0 105
          Winter Flathead Country Club 6,380 72 68.5 113
          Last edited by Cklguy2013; 11-03-2016, 07:00 PM.

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          • keither5150
            keither5150 commented
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            I just wish that you would put a little more time and effort into this........ JK Awesome work!
            I will discuss with the tour committee.

          • Cklguy2013
            Cklguy2013 commented
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            Thanks Keith, my work here is done I think, but would be happy to keep updated.
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