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  • Par2Pro SQ HQ Screen - Initial thoughts and comparison to Par2Pro HQ Screen

    I’ve been using the Par2Pro HQ screen for about 2 years now, and am a huge fan of it.
    It displays a great quality image, and seems to be lasting very well for me. It did take a bit of tweaking to get the bounce back right, and I’ve never really considered it to be a noisy screen. Having said that, I’ve only experience of an archery weave screen/net prior to the HQ screen. I’ve always been of the opinion that the majority of the noise of indoor golf comes from the club / ball contact rather than the ball hitting the screen.
    Over the last 2 years I’ve acquired some scuff marks that you can see when the projector is off - however they’re barely visible when there is a golf course on the screen!



    I bought the finished HQ screen, which I specced with velcro down both edges and across the top.
    The screen is made up of a very fine weave, and has a mat finish to it. The material is quite thin, and you can see my backing net through it if they are touching each other.



    When I initially hung the HQ screen, I was having a bit of trouble with bounce back. The ball would land almost back at my feet, and then would bounce past me and hit the garage door behind me.
    I cured this by fitting a memory foam mattress topper behind the large area. It made a huge difference, and the ball would land about a foot from the screen and have much less momentum.
    When I saw the BETA testing for the SQ HQ (Super Quiet High Quality) screen and read that one of the new features was less bounce back, I thought I’d give it a try.

    Here are 2 links to videos of my HQ screen bounce back. Both of these videos are with a 4 iron.
    The first one is before I removed the memory foam topper. The ball falls down and stops after a couple of small bounces. It finished up about half way between me and the screen.



    The second one is once I removed the memory foam topper. I had to move the camera a bit wider to give an indication on how bad this was! It lands about where the first ball stops - but it is coming at me with a considerable velocity, and leaps up on my my mat. If I didn’t stop it with my foot, it would carry on and hit the garage door behind me!



    After taking a few photos for comparison I took the HQ screen down carefully. It took a considerable amount of time to remove all the bungees and the tonne of velcro I have fitted!
    When taking the SQ HQ screen out of its packaging, it was immediately apparent that it was considerably heavier than the original. The material of the SQ HQ is significantly thicker than the HQ. It reminded me on a hoody I wear when snowboarding that has a slight feel of neoprene! There is an almost spongy feel to it. Visually, it has a slight shine to it. Not glossy, but you can see the threads glisten under certain lights.



    The screen arrived folded up in a box, inside a plastic bag. This screen is much more creased than my HQ ever was. Perhaps down to the extra weight / thicker material?
    With it being Christmas / New Year, this screen also spent about 4 weeks in this box being shipped from the US to the UK - including a full 10 days in customs!
    My SQ HQ screen cost $462.50 which included $98 to ship it to the UK. This was for the finished screen to exactly the same specification at my original. This was less than half the price of my original HQ screen. I also got charged a few pence over £40 by customs, so the total cost to me was a little under £400.
    If I remember correctly, my HQ screen was about $800 plus shipping on top of that.

    It took a while, but eventually the SQ HQ screen was in place. I decided to leave the memory foam topper off and see how it performed. Although Par2Pro claim that you don’t need a net behind this, I thought I’d leave mine in place. I’ve already got it, and it won’t do any harm - so why remove it?! Surely it’ll help with longevity? One thing I did notice when fitting the SQ HQ was that it had loads more eyelets than my HQ did, so it was a good job I had plenty of spare bungees!

    When hitting my first ball, there were 2 very noticeable things. One… the bounce back was similar to having my memory foam topper fitted. Two… this screen is definitely Super Quiet! I had always assumed that the THUD noise was the club striking the ball, however the noise is significantly quieter than when using the HQ screen.



    I’d go as far as saying the picture quality on my original HQ screen was slightly sharper. The comparison picture below shows the same close up pic of both (almost the same!) and I think everything looks a bit clearer on the original. That’s standing with your nose pressed against the screen. When standing 9ft back on my mat, I can’t see the difference - they both hold a great image given the projector I’m using (Benq TH682ST at 1600x1200). Perhaps if I was using a 4K projector there would be a more noticeable difference between the two? In all honesty, the SQ HQ actually looks better, as you can’t see the jagged edges of the pixels quite so obviously.



    So far I’ve only hit 20 or so shots at this new SQ HQ screen. Obviously this isn’t going to give you any info on how well it lasts (apparently much more resilient than the HQ screen) but I suspect given its significantly thicker material that it’ll hold up a lot better than the HQ screen. I know a lot of guys here complain about the price v’s lifespan of the HQ screen as more frequent users can potentially wear a hole in the HQ within a year. I’m lucky if I hit 200 balls at mine a week - which i suspect is why mine is still in excellent condition... combined with the fact I have a good backing net and probably the mattress topper helps too!

    My verdict so far is that this was a great purchase - especially given the introductory ‘beta tester’ price and forum member discount.
    I’ve ordered a handheld steamer to try and get rid of the creases. Hopefully that’ll make it sit a bit better than in my photo too.
    I’ll be playing my regular 2 rounds on Tuesday night - where I’ll be testing it out with a full array of clubs rather than just a 4 iron! I may need to adjust the tension of my ball bungees depending on how it copes with a driver and even some wedges.

    I’ll report back once I’ve given it a proper test. I wanted to get my initial impressions posted for anyone looking at purchasing one of these.


  • #2
    Thanks for the great review p3eps! Yes, the steamer should take out the creases - just make sure you get a good clothing steamer that doesn't spit water as there is potential for staining. Can you also let us know which balls you are using and how often you cycle them out? We have found that guys hitting a lot of wedge shots with ProV's tend to wear their HQ2 screens down faster than others due to the easily nicked soft jacket of the ProV and the high spin rate of the wedge shots. Hopefully the new SQ screen will be able to handle that better

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    • #3
      Firstly, I have a set of indoor clubs, that never get dirty anymore. Before having 2 sets of clubs I would clean them thoroughly before using them indoors. I don't want to transfer any dirt onto my pretty white screen! Secondly, I also only use new balls in the sim, so they're clean too. I wash my garage floor fairly regularly too, to ensure there is no dirt there either.

      I've always used Bridgestone E6 balls indoors. I have quite sharp grooves in my wedges, and generally cut a Pro V1 into bits after a full wedge shot!
      The E6 takes a lot more abuse before cutting, but still has a similar soft feel. I only use 1 ball at a time, and usually have to swap it once or twice per round. Each time I pick it up from the floor, I give it a quick feel for rough bits. When it starts to feel rough I chuck it in a bag and keep them for winter golf! Being in Scotland, winter golf is about 8 months of the year!!

      The steamer I've bought is fairly cheap, so I'll test it out on a bed cover or something before letting it loose on my screen (and won't tell my wife!). The last thing I want is to stain the screen!

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      • #4
        Unfortunately I didn't have as much time as I anticipated this evening to play my usual 2 rounds... but I still managed a full 18 holes and a few practice shots afterwards.

        I haven't got my steamer yet, but the creases look less prominent today. It still needs de-creased, but I think just being pulled straight has helped with this a bit.

        I asked my wife if she'd be part of my beta test, by telling me how the noise levels were! With the HQ screen there was a dull thud in the house when I hit the ball. This could be heard in every room. Not so loud that it would make you jump... but it was obvious what was going on.

        Tonight I played FSX - the Olazabal Course. The first shot was a driver off the tee. Although it was quite well absorbed by the screen, and landed pretty close to it, it still came back at me with reasonable pace. It hit the surround for my mat and stopped. I'm not a huge hitter, and average about 230-250 carry with a driver with about 95-100mph clubhead speed. I hit 12 drives through the round, and they all had a similar result. The ball would drop within a foot or two of the screen, but would have a lot of roll. Perhaps if I had artificial grass on the ground it would stop much quicker?

        I was left with an 8 iron to the green. The 8 iron hit the screen quite near the top of my visible white screen, and then bounced back and landed on my mat. A further 10 8irons through the round had the same result. I felt like I was striking the ball and then getting ready to catch it. No time to stand in the follow through position. The scary thing is that the length of the bounce back was about right for landing on my GC2. Thankfully this never happened.
        Once I'd hit this first 8 iron, I was very cautious of hitting any higher lofted clubs. I thought I'd steer clear of my 50° / 54° / 58° wedges and just play with 3-PW.
        3 / 4 / 5 / 6 iron were good, with very little bounce back, but the higher up the screen the ball hit, the further back it landed. 7 / 8 / 9 were almost dangerous. I tried unhooking a couple of the higher bungees to make the screen looser at the top, but this made absolutely no difference. My PW was ok, as it disappeared up inside my top trim and dropped to the floor.

        The obvious thing for me to try is to re-fit my mattress topper. It's currently sitting redundant and did a very good job of softening my HQ2 screen bounce back. I don't know if removing my backing net entirely would have a similar result? My backing net isn't trampoline tight, but it's not loose either - but does have a fair bit of give if you push it. I may try removing all the zip ties on the side of the backing net and see if this helps.

        Overall, I hit 57 shots (according to FSX Performance). I used 1 brand new ball - straight out of the box. All through the round I was feeling the ball for damage, and at the end of the round I gave the ball a good visual inspection. It still looked like new - yet there were already several 'burn' marks on the screen. The screen actually feels 'shiny', however these ball marks feel slightly 'rough'.
        I had hoped that this screen would be much more resilient than the HQ2 screen, but I'm a bit worried that it's showing up marks after less than 80 shots. They're much fainter than the ones on my HQ2 screen... however that's after 80 shots compared to an estimated 20,000.


        When hitting balls it was obvious that the impact on the screen was HUGELY quieter. I could actually hear the individual noise of the iron / driver hitting the ball rather than just the usual THUMP.
        I asked my wife what she thought, and she said she didn't hear a thing. This is quite important to me as although my wife claims she didn't mind the noise of me playing golf, I knew she did really! I've got a 2 year old daughter, and the THUMP can keep her awake. I usually have to wait until she's sound asleep before I go play golf. This SQ screen could mean I can get out earlier when my wife is putting her to bed!

        My conclusion for my first real test is that this is still a great screen, and still good value at the price I paid. For me, it's worth the money just for the SQ element. I honestly can't believe the difference in noise between the HQ2 and the SQ HQ. I wish I'd borrowed a decibel meter from work before removing the HQ2 and done a noise comparison, as it's unreal! I said above that I always thought the noise was the club hitting the ball rather than the ball hitting the screen - but I couldn't have been more wrong!
        I'll need to try some tweaking at the weekend and see if the excessive bounce back is caused by my net or screen tension. I wouldn't feel safe for my GC2 with it the way it is at the moment - so this is something I need to address before I have any friends round to play.
        The real disappointment is that the screen is starting to show signs of wear after under 80 shots. I hope this doesn't effect the quality of the image as time goes on.

        Once I get a chance to adjust the net / screen and hit some more balls I'll update my thoughts.

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        • #5
          I've got 3 rounds in ( with 4 golfers) so far. My feedback :

          1) quiet
          2) heavier / softer
          3) not as good a picture as HQ, but not
          bad.

          4) less bounce back.

          So far I like it. We will see how it holds up .

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          • #6
            Today, I spent a couple of hours fiddling with the bounce back of my SQ HQ screen.
            The original marketing blurb for this screen stated that you could use it without a backing net. I thought I’d use mine anyway since I’d paid for it, but after some extreme bounce back, I decided to remove it.

            First of all, I left the backing net in place - but simply cut all the side zip ties. Hitting an 8 iron, the difference was so small that it was barely noticeable. The ball was landing approximately 6” closer to the screen than with the net fixed.

            I then tried swapping the bungees holding the screen in place for slightly longer ones. I already had the screen as loose as it could be without sagging, so all this did was make it sag a little. Again, no real noticeable difference with bounce back.
            My next step was to remove the backing net completely... but this made no difference at all - as it was barely attached prior to that.

            Admitting defeat, I decided to try refitting my memory foam mattress topper. I went back to the start and refitted the backing net first, followed by the memory foam.
            This cured the bounce back issue, however created a new one... the impact was no longer quiet!
            Slightly quieter than my HQ screen, but a good bit louder than it was without the memory foam.

            Looks like I’ve got a bit of a catch 22 situation. I can either have a Super Quiet screen that fires balls back at me to the point of being dangerous... or I can have a Slightly Quiet screen that has an acceptable level of bounce back!

            Had I known in advance this was going to be the case, then I probably wouldn’t have changed my HQ screen. There was absolutely nothing wrong with it, and I don’t feel that the SQ HQ was much of an upgrade for me.
            It’s definitely a lot thicker and heavier, so will hopefully last much longer for the guys who make holes in the HQ. The picture quality of the HQ is noticeably better than the SQ. Although it’s not bad, it’s definitely less sharp as well as being a bit duller.
            It is quieter than my HQ was (with my memory foam and net fitted), but not significant enough to make it worth £400 for an upgrade. If you had a bigger screen you might get away without a backing - and get the Super Quiet experience. For me I just get Slightly Quieter!

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            • #7
              Interesting that you and Hackalot have such different experiences with the bounce back.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by orangeman View Post
                Interesting that you and Hackalot have such different experiences with the bounce back.
                I guess a lot of that depends how you have it mounted and how big the screen is.
                Mine is about 3m wide by 2.85m tall. I’m hitting off center.
                If I had a 4 or 5m wide screen and was hitting into the middle, I could see the screen ‘sucking up’ more of the impact as it’d have less support round it. As I’m hitting about 1m from the edge, it’s probably on a fairly tensioned part... even though the screen still feels pretty loose.

                I could see see a massive difference in bounce back with my driver / 3-6iron, but anything above that was hitting the screen with loft that would make it trampoline right back at me! My HQ screen did this with ALL clubs (without the memory foam), so the bounce back on the SQ is definitely less than the HQ.

                This is my experience and my impression. I’m not saying it’s right, and it probably won’t be the same for everyone! I’m just trying to document what happened to me.

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                • #9
                  I have the same problem (dont have an SQ, but net and painters cloth) with 8 through PW bounce back. How exactly did you hang the topper to reduce the bounce back? How much space do you have behind your screen?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by JackedUpSwing View Post
                    I have the same problem (dont have an SQ, but net and painters cloth) with 8 through PW bounce back. How exactly did you hang the topper to reduce the bounce back? How much space do you have behind your screen?
                    Check out post 10 on this thread. It shows how I attached my memory foam.
                    This is my third post in this section about how I built my garage simulator. Unfortunately Photobucket have changed their “third party hosting’ rules, and want



                    I played another full round last night, and the SQ screen is definitely a good bit quieter than the HQ. My wife was in bed quite early, and has advised that she couldn’t hear me golfing at all.
                    This is great news, and makes the swap actually worth while. Having the memory foam definitely makes it louder than without it... but if it’s quieter in the house then I’m really pleased!

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                    • #11
                      P3eps, my friend is going to get a similar sized screen to yours, how far from the wall would you say the screen would need to be if he doesn’t have anything behind it like a net or foam?

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                      • #12
                        I have about 40cm between my screen and the back wall. I can easily play with nothing behind my screen, but choose not to.
                        I was always advised to leave around a foot for safety. The way my frame mounted to my ceiling joists meant that I had a little extra.

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