Is anyone else disappointed with TGC 2019 & Flightscope Mevo + playability?

[doonshowgolfpga]

Hey all,

First time poster here, just thought I'd share my frustrations with the software & to see if anyone else is in the same boat as me??

Here it goes:

So I purchased my Flightcope Mevo + & TGC 2019 2 years ago, & never really used the TGC 2019 as I'd like. Now that I've transformed my garage into a golf studio, I've had a lot more time to play and attempt to trouble shoot any possible issues.

I'm a PGA of Canada Class "A" Professional ( I say this as humble as I can), by no means am I Tiger Woods, but I can hold my own on the course as a competitive player.

My frustrastations:

- Unrealistic ball flight physics. Seems to be very sensitive to curvature, balls slicing & drawing all over the place.
- Holding greens are almost impossible, launch seems way to low.
- Putting issues registering ( I don't mind this as much as poor ball flight physics. )


I've tried to remain patient, hoping the upgrades & updates would diagnose these issues. I've tried everything possible to from a set up standpoint to cure the issues, with no prevail.

I'm at the point where I think I need to sell off my license, as my patience has completely worn thin.

Amazing how accurate the FS Golf app is & E6, how can this not translate to TGC 2019?

Anybody care to chime in??

Cheers.

[doonshowgolfpga]

I tried everything, even changing the green firmness to super soft, stimp down to as low as 1, they still feel way too firm. I prefer in really live to play fast & firm conditions, as I'd describe my ball flight on the higher end of the spectrum. The ball flight just doesn't seem to be "floaty" in TGC.

[6.6leater]

With the settings I have in TGC, It reacts very similar to E6, in my opinion. Only difference I can see is the flight of the ball is slower in E6. I'm not a very good player, about a 28 handicap, but my ball will hold a green on tgc 180 out with a 6i in.

[Tyguy2k]

I’m a 3 hdcp and hit the ball on the high side. Having said that, I’m getting pretty accurate distances.

My issue is the putting. I’m an average putter with decent control with my distances. Mevo+/TGC2019 is all over the place for me (ghosting, +20 ft on short putts etc). I’ve tried a lot of different settings and working with Flightscope right now to evaluate everything. They’ve been great. I don’t expect course like putting but I do expect a reasonable amount of consistency in distances.

Hoping to get this resolved.

[Clubrepair]

Glad I found this thread so I know it's not just me. I'm also a sub par player and struggling with the Mevo+ in both TGC 2019 and FS app with distance about 20% short and flight path wonky. I have no IOS device so cannot test with E6.

There is no discernable interference so called FS customer service to troubleshoot yesterday. They had me move the unit around and hit some balls while remotely collecting data to analyze so hopefully I'll hear something back next week.

[Jojovenom]

did they ever get back to you, i'm curious

[PROTEE UK]

Are you using metalic stickes on the balls? Spin can show low and balls carry futher with ions without them

[doonshowgolfpga]

I find FS Golf is spot on. As I said before, I went through a lengthy test with Mevo + Pro vs. Trackman 4. Within 220 yards, the data was very comparable. Short indoor mode will never be perfect with any unit, there will always so misreads/bleeps etc.

I realize this sim software will never be perfect, as it's for entertainment purposes. I've spent all this time trying to calibrate it so it's somewhat accurate, instead of just playing golf.

Anyways, hopefully TGC 2019 get's fixed otherwise I think I'll need to sell my license & go with E6 PC, or just wait for other software to come out.

[Bubba22]

Since the Pro package I am seeing short distances with the FS App and TGC2019. E6 is not connecting so unable to test. Chipping has improved but can't chip below 5 yards. Putting is somewhat better but still not playable with speeds completely short/long and unpredictable. I do think a lot of the issues are Flightscope related and I would suspect they need to update their firmware to resolve things.

[tcb121]

So I'm finally seeing great driver accuracy with firmware .20 and updated TGC 4.2.8. Also now the recommended tilt is 15 degrees. Huge difference for me. Also messed around with the putting settings in the flightscope configuration file.

[Course Configuration]
Green Stimp=5
Green Firmness=1
Green Speed=3

These settings are a little slow, but works better for me with the Mevo+ reading the short putts. So if you have a 6 or 7 foot putt with these setting you will actually hit the putt about 10 feet, but this negates the no reads on the really short putts. You do have to compensate for the longer putts, but it's a tradeoff I'm willing to take. I did like 6, 1 and 3 as well. I'll have to keep messing with this one to make it work, but I think this is the best that the Mevo has been for me on TGC ever.

Things I didn't know.... You have to manually re-run the tgcfssetup.exe and re-install everything for the 4.2.8 update. I even had to uninstall the old version prior to doing the update. It did not wipe out my license key or anything like that. Driver was dead on. It was night and day difference. In the past, shots that I would hit I could tell what TGC would do to them. Even really well struck shots with slight draws in TGC before would be 25 - 30 yards left, but today, those same shots were 5 yard baby draws. If you have not updated to .20 firmware and updated TGC to 4.2.8 with the latest flightscope interface and set you new tilt setting to 15 degrees, give those things a try and hopefully you see the same massive improvement that I just witnessed.

[Bubba22]

So I'm finally seeing great driver accuracy with firmware .20 and updated TGC 4.2.8. Also now the recommended tilt is 15 degrees. Huge difference for me. Also messed around with the putting settings in the flightscope configuration file.

[Course Configuration]
Green Stimp=5
Green Firmness=1
Green Speed=3

These settings are a little slow, but works better for me with the Mevo+ reading the short putts. So if you have a 6 or 7 foot putt with these setting you will actually hit the putt about 10 feet, but this negates the no reads on the really short putts. You do have to compensate for the longer putts, but it's a tradeoff I'm willing to take. I did like 6, 1 and 3 as well. I'll have to keep messing with this one to make it work, but I think this is the best that the Mevo has been for me on TGC ever.

Things I didn't know.... You have to manually re-run the tgcfssetup.exe and re-install everything for the 4.2.8 update. I even had to uninstall the old version prior to doing the update. It did not wipe out my license key or anything like that. Driver was dead on. It was night and day difference. In the past, shots that I would hit I could tell what TGC would do to them. Even really well struck shots with slight draws in TGC before would be 25 - 30 yards left, but today, those same shots were 5 yard baby draws. If you have not updated to .20 firmware and updated TGC to 4.2.8 with the latest flightscope interface and set you new tilt setting to 15 degrees, give those things a try and hopefully you see the same massive improvement that I just witnessed.

I am on version TGC version 4.3.1 and interface 1.3.07 which I assume are the latest updates. tcb121 are you on a later TGC version 4.2.8?
I completely agree with those green settings.

[ttz668]

I also got 4.3.1 from Protee around Christmas time. After reading this I deleted 4.3.1 and re-installed from the internet. It loaded 4.2.8. I played a round and felt things were better, Early days, but think 4.2.8 with 1.3.07 interface and 0.2 FW is a good combo.
I would have thought 4.3.1 was a newer version than 4.2.8 ??

[doonshowgolfpga]

How do I update to 4.3.1? I was under the impression that Pro-Tee updated for me via Teamviwer?

Do you have a link?

[ttz668]

This was sent end Dec. Not convinced it's newer than 4.2.8

Latest patch: (431)

http://download.protee-united.com/patch/431.exe

[doonshowgolfpga]

nvm. It appears 4.2.8 is up to date?

[tcb121]

Yeah, I had not ever updated TGC or the flightscope interface since I initially purchased the unit back in summer of 2020. Who knows, maybe other updates were made that I was never aware of that would have made things better prior to this. I think the way my unit is performing now that I may not ever want to update it again anyway. I also updated E6 today and will test it tomorrow since I played all the holes my body can take on TGC today.

I will say that it took until FW .19 before I saw driver distance and spin issues fixed in E6, so I'm hopeful that the same performance holds with .20. I'll test tomorrow.

For anyone else with issues in TGC, try the new interface and software out. Flightscope Interface 1.0.3.7 with TGC 4.2.8 and .20 FW is a fantastic combination for me. Tweak the config file to dial in putting to your liking and don't forget that TGC is now recommending 15 degrees tilt.

[AgileMike]

I'm a little late the thread, but I will chime in anyway. I'm an 18 handicap, so not nearly as good as many posters on this thread. My take on TGC2019 and Mevo+ (I'm on vacation and haven't had a chance to purchase/play with the Pro package yet)
1. Firm greens - I set the green speed to VERY SLOW and the green hardness to VERY SOFT in the setting of TGC2019. This results in pretty realistic "stickiness" of approach shots landing on the green.
2. Putting - I'm not a big believer in putting during sim golf. Most of putting is reading greens for slope, speed, etc. Putting on the exact same flat surface won't improve your game a lot, and isn't very similar to real life putting. My friends and I all play with the 6' gimme rule. Anything that lands on the green within 6' is a one putt, on the green greater than 6' is a two putt. This also speeds up play substantially.
3. Exaggerated curves - I agree that TGC2019 exaggerates the side spin on the ball, but I've found it's really exaggerated in appearance in the shot tracer, while the actual trajectory of the ball is only exaggerated 10-20% beyond real life. I just tell myself it will make me a more straight player in the long run.
4. Bounce physics - this is the only part of TGC2019 that is really messed up. If you hit an upsloping ground, rock, etc the ball bounces almost straight up. Frustrating, but doesn't happen very often.

Remember that TGC2019 was a console game that was ported for launch monitors. It wasn't written for golf sim use and will never be perfect.

[Tyguy2k]

Yeah, I had not ever updated TGC or the flightscope interface since I initially purchased the unit back in summer of 2020. Who knows, maybe other updates were made that I was never aware of that would have made things better prior to this. I think the way my unit is performing now that I may not ever want to update it again anyway. I also updated E6 today and will test it tomorrow since I played all the holes my body can take on TGC today.

I will say that it took until FW .19 before I saw driver distance and spin issues fixed in E6, so I'm hopeful that the same performance holds with .20. I'll test tomorrow.

For anyone else with issues in TGC, try the new interface and software out. Flightscope Interface 1.0.3.7 with TGC 4.2.8 and .20 FW is a fantastic combination for me. Tweak the config file to dial in putting to your liking and don't forget that TGC is now recommending 15 degrees tilt.

I adjusted to 15 degrees (from 12) and tried your other settings. I got better short putt results but anything 20’ or longer was all over the place. I’ll keep working through config settings to see if I get better results.

Question: Is everyone using slow swing mode?

[bubbtubbs]

I've never touched the setting because I couldn't (still can't) find any information about how it affects the rest of the readings if you don't need it.

I assume it does or it wouldn't make sense to just have it on a toggle.

[Bubba22]

I am not sure what the slow swing mode does so haven't turned it on. I am unable to do any short putts. Long putts are way off on their distances I assume because of the variability in reading ball speed.

[doonshowgolfpga]

Thanks for the input guys. I appreciate everyone's feedback.

[tcb121]

Played 36 holes today for the ProTee United AT&T online event and driver was spot on for both rounds. I think I finished T16 in the event and no way that would have happened prior to the new interface and software update. I finally feel like I'm actually playing golf in TGC 2019. Now I just need to pace myself on how many rounds I do on a daily basis before my body breaks down. For anyone having issues please update all the TGC stuff and get the .20 FW from flightscope as well.

Putting is still not 100% accurate even with the tweaks I made. So for me I now only putt within 25 feet. Anything longer and I just chip it. Works way better for me this way. 30 foot putt = 10 yard chip. My mevo unit picks up chips really well and I end up getting inside the 6 ft range way more often using this method than I do trying to gauge the longer putts with the mevo. Maybe one day they will get putting closer to perfect, but this is my work around hack for now.