Is anyone else disappointed with TGC 2019 & Flightscope Mevo + playability?

[doonshowgolfpga]

Hey all,

First time poster here, just thought I'd share my frustrations with the software & to see if anyone else is in the same boat as me??

Here it goes:

So I purchased my Flightcope Mevo + & TGC 2019 2 years ago, & never really used the TGC 2019 as I'd like. Now that I've transformed my garage into a golf studio, I've had a lot more time to play and attempt to trouble shoot any possible issues.

I'm a PGA of Canada Class "A" Professional ( I say this as humble as I can), by no means am I Tiger Woods, but I can hold my own on the course as a competitive player.

My frustrastations:

- Unrealistic ball flight physics. Seems to be very sensitive to curvature, balls slicing & drawing all over the place.
- Holding greens are almost impossible, launch seems way to low.
- Putting issues registering ( I don't mind this as much as poor ball flight physics. )


I've tried to remain patient, hoping the upgrades & updates would diagnose these issues. I've tried everything possible to from a set up standpoint to cure the issues, with no prevail.

I'm at the point where I think I need to sell off my license, as my patience has completely worn thin.

Amazing how accurate the FS Golf app is & E6, how can this not translate to TGC 2019?

Anybody care to chime in??

Cheers.

[Doctor Duff]

I just updated the TGC Flightscope interface to 1.0.3.7 and I think it has helped decrease the spin on my long clubs. I no longer see the snap hook that I didn't think I hit. I already had TGC 4.28 and Flightscope v .20 so I attribute the improvement to the new interface upgrade.

For putting, I experimented A LOT. For my setup, I found that setting the tilt at 7.0 degrees works much better for putting while not detracting from full shots. I also putt from only 37" from the unit (my full shots are 7'1" away). I can fairly reliably hit putts anywhere from 2mph to 12mph and they will read. Full disclosure, my buddy putts and brings the putter back to the point of impact after swinging (which I don't do) and the Mevo+ has much more trouble reading his putts. I currently have gimmes set at 3 yards and I actually enjoy putting now (I'll make at least a couple of 10-20 footers per round). I think I set my stimp meter to 8 so a 10mph putt goes pretty far and I rarely have to chip a long putt.

[ttz668]

To try and clear up the version issue, I sent a few questions on to Pro-Tee, hopefully this clarify's the version confusion.

As always they came back very quickly with this:

4.2.8 to 4.3.1 are minor bug fixes.

Changelog:
4.2.8 - License activation error resolved
4.2.9/4.3.0 - Private/Not Released
4.3.1 - Shot recording issue resolved

The TGC versions rarely adjusts launch monitors behavior.
Therefore we have the Interfaces and their updates.
You would be fine with either version of TGC.

The Pro Package and fusion tracking is available with the latest release of the interface which is 1.0.3.7 and can be downloaded here:
https://download.protee-united.com/f...tgcfssetup.exe

[Bubba22]

Thanks ttz668.

[Jojovenom]

hey i'm new here, so i have the 4.2.8 on my settings, if i do the new update to 4.3.1 , the link you provided, will i have to give the lic. key all over? or just download it?

[Bubba22]

No need for new liscence.

[doonshowgolfpga]

Spent some time today playing some holes on TGC 2019. Same frustrations with bogus path condtions.

[doonshowgolfpga]

Great now that I've updated E6 connect, I've now miracously gained crazy distances.

9 irons going 190. 4 iron carrying 255-265.

The madness continues.

[tcb121]

Sounds like your environment has interference or something. Have you tried outdoors? Even if you have a field where you can hit some 75 - 100 yard wedges you should be able to do some testing in an interference free environment. I've had my share of bad days with the unit, but I've also experienced steady progress with firmware updates and interface updates. I'm really pleased with where my unit is at right now, so any improvement on top of this will be a bonus. You mentioned you get good results out of the FS app, but just not the simulation software like TGC or E6. So that would really be odd. I agree with you prior to the latest interface update TGC would have way too much curve on driver and pretty much all shots, but since the updates I think things are very close to what FS app would report. E6 since FW .19 was very good with distance and ball physics, and I have not tested .20 in E6 yet.. Perhaps will get to it today.

[doonshowgolfpga]

Hey TCB,

I thought I was potentially having some environment issues, I've taken my unit to 2 other indoor facilities in my area, & received similar results. I thought maybe my lighting was off or something.

But as I said, FS Golf is spot on. I'm getting great data from it, it's just a shame that doesn't translate well onto TGC.

I've learned to just basically 0 out my swing path & try to hit low bullets to get the ball in play.

The chipping is pretty good in TGC, but that's about it. Putting I get the occasional ghost putt, but over difficult to get the speed down.

[davidgolfer]

I’m just seeing this thread. I have a Flightscope X2 and TGC 2019. I’m around scratch and find it difficult to break 85 on TGC. Big push slices 30-40 yards. It’s really frustrating I usually stop playing wishing I never bought the game. I have had the Flightscope for several years but just invested in the gaming computer and TGC 2019. My friend who I play with at our club normally got a skytrak and encouraged me to get TGC so we could play together. He is probably a 10 handicap and considerably shorter than me in real life. He bets me everytime on this game. It’s gotten pretty comical. All his shots come out fairly normal with a little tail here or there. Mine seem to go off the map.
I have been trying different alignments and moving the tee back. Of course my garage wont allow me to go past the short indoor settings. I’m beyond frustrated most days. I even invested in the new RCT Titliest golf balls, hoping they would help.
I know skytrak is not as accurate, as I have had both units. Something is just off with how this software translates the data.
We got to play outside, thank goodness I don’t suck outside. Haha
That combined with the problem of reading short chips on Flightscope makes it not much fun.
Here’s hoping for better weather[

[doonshowgolfpga]

I feel your pain David. I find it frustrating I can't just go play golf on my Sim. It's always tinkering & calibrating in hopes of magically fixing it.

[aussiebenny]

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My frustrastations:

- Unrealistic ball flight physics. Seems to be very sensitive to curvature, balls slicing & drawing all over the place.
- Holding greens are almost impossible, launch seems way to low.
- Putting issues registering ( I don't mind this as much as poor ball flight physics. )

I've tried to remain patient, hoping the upgrades & updates would diagnose these issues. I've tried everything possible to from a set up standpoint to cure the issues, with no prevail.

I'm at the point where I think I need to sell off my license, as my patience has completely worn thin.

Amazing how accurate the FS Golf app is & E6, how can this not translate to TGC 2019?

Anybody care to chime in??

Cheers.

I've never really had issues with holding greens with my shorter irons with TGC 2019.
Most of my shots check/stop or backspin back even. (maybe I'll shoot some videos)
my 7 iron spins around 6k rpm, 8 iron is 7k rpm, 9 iron is 8k rpm, 52 & 56deg is about 10-11k.
This is with default course settings on most courses also.
BTW, spin has become way more consistent with RCT Pro V1. It's a must have with Mevo+ imo. Definitely get it.

As for sensitivity to lateral curvature, I initially thought the same. As it didn't seem as prevalent on FS Golf.
But then I have a round of golf out on real course, then realized TGC is quite accurate and realistic lol.
I think TGC shot shape is definitely more pronounced though overall. But I think it makes me try to hit straighter.

For me, putting improved a lot since new .20 firmware and new TGC 1.0.3.7 interface. Nothing scientific. But just feel that it has.
e.g. I played 18 holes today and it hasn't mis/no-read a single putt the entire round. Every putt from 3 feet to 40 feet got read.
But yeah, I am still not a fan of aiming within game and straight putting. So I prefer playing without putting.

[Bubba22]

I've never really had issues with holding greens with my shorter irons with TGC 2019.
Most of my shots check/stop or backspin back even. (maybe I'll shoot some videos)
my 7 iron spins around 6k rpm, 8 iron is 7k rpm, 9 iron is 8k rpm, 52 & 56deg is about 10-11k.
This is with default course settings on most courses also.
BTW, spin has become way more consistent with RCT Pro V1. It's a must have with Mevo+ imo. Definitely get it.

As for sensitivity to lateral curvature, I initially thought the same. As it didn't seem as prevalent on FS Golf.
But then I have a round of golf out on real course, then realized TGC is quite accurate and realistic lol.
I think TGC shot shape is definitely more pronounced though overall. But I think it makes me try to hit straighter.

For me, putting improved a lot since new .20 firmware and new TGC 1.0.3.7 interface. Nothing scientific. But just feel that it has.
e.g. I played 18 holes today and it hasn't mis/no-read a single putt the entire round. Every putt from 3 feet to 40 feet got read.
But yeah, I am still not a fan of aiming within game and straight putting. So I prefer playing without putting.

I tend to agree aussiebenny. Could you share with us your setup for putting?

1. What radar tilt are you using?
2. How far from the unit do you putt?
3. Are you using RCT balls to putt?
4. Short chips and putts working well?

Any tips are welcomed. Are the RCT balls that much better than a dot?

[aussiebenny]

I tend to agree aussiebenny. Could you share with us your setup for putting?

1. What radar tilt are you using?
2. How far from the unit do you putt?
3. Are you using RCT balls to putt?
4. Short chips and putts working well?

Any tips are welcomed. Are the RCT balls that much better than a dot?

Hey,

1. I'm 7 feet ball to mevo+ and 10 feet ball to net. Radar tilt was set to about 15 degrees. (coz I noticed that the recommended tilt changed from 12 to 15 with 1.0.3.7 interface) I haven't tried any lower with .20 fw and new interface yet. Will see if it's even more responsive at lower angles when I next play a round.

2. I putt from about 3 feet away from the Mevo+ unit. No scientific reason really. It's just that it allows me to stand off my 5'x5' hitting mat and putt along my Pure2Improve 4.0 Putting Mat (13 feet) which runs along the front of my mat towards the screen.

3. Yeah. I'm using the RCT Pro V1 ball to putt. I remember having ghost putts with it at 0.19 firmware but not anymore with .20. No idea if there is any technical reason for that but yeah, I had zero ghost putts yesterday which was very surprising and rare. (usually have a few ghost putts a round where ball just shoots off the green)

4. Short chips also worked well. No no/mis reads from my single round with about 10 chips & bunker shots near the green. Shortest I chipped yesterday was me only flying it 6 feet (landing well before the net which is 10 feet away) and Mevo+ registered the chip no issues. But yeah, I only did 1 such short chip. So it's 1 of 1. But doesn't mean it'll be 5 of 5. Will try more later today.

I've hit thousands and thousands of shots with dot on the ball before getting the RCT balls. Balls with a dot worked fine but the spin readings definitely weren't that consistent, and I used to have a few flyers each round while playing TGC as for example, my 9 iron shot would sometimes have spin of 3000 rpm and would fly 200 yards. Happened pretty much EVERY round. But since using the RCT Pro V1, and playing abotu 10 full rounds so far, I've had zero flyers. That to me is a statiscal anomaly compared to rounds with a dot. So yeah, RCT does make a difference it seems. Also, I love the fact that I don't have to worry about the ball orientation before hitting now. I can only assume the ball will last longer now that I'm hitting it more evenly all around the ball. I think it's well worth it. 1 ball so far lasted me a whole month. Played many rounds & practice sessions. Must have hit it at least 1000 times. (didn't play that much last month) So yeah, it's not expensive at all when you think about it as a box of balls might last me a whole year.

[Bubba22]

Thanks aussiebenny. That is very helpful. Are you using the Pro package? Have you noticed ay short distances with FS app or TGC19? What about long distances with E6?

[aussiebenny]

Thanks aussiebenny. That is very helpful. Are you using the Pro package? Have you noticed ay short distances with FS app or TGC19? What about long distances with E6?

I haven't signed up to pro package yet so all the distances seem as expected.
At least with TGC so far. (TGC always goes a bit longer than FS golf for me)

On that note, I just played another 9 holes (but hitting like 50 preview shots in-between as practice).
I had a low-spin mis-read flyer with the RCT for the first time on TGC today!
My 6 iron went 220 yards as a result haha.

Also, putting accuracy was still not good enough to worth wasting time on tbh.
Seems fusion tracking got rid of ghost putts but that's about it.

[Adam Prince]

I still don’t know how radar can even read putts, given the location of the unit and the putter head blocking the ball 95%. Radar for range use & outdoors. Camera systems indoors & simulator use. Sorry to anyone experiencing issues.

[doonshowgolfpga]

Ya, I could care less about the putting. I usually put it on 10 foot gimmies to save time & consume anger levels. I'm just out there to hit fairways & greens.

[drawplayer87]

The new update for e6 with the integration of the pro packages has caused a lot of trouble, but they are already working on a fix they said. Distances go way tooooo long, like ridiculous long.

I am done with e6 and will probably buy a licence for TGC2019 (not sure if used or new yet).

Currently there is an inofficial interfaces going around, but only for the Mevo+ Version without the Pro Package, so can't use that anyway.

[doonshowgolfpga]

If you are looking to purchase a TGC 2019 license, send md a PM. If things don't improve soon with the ball flight physics, I'll need this gone.

[davidgolfer]

I find FS Golf is spot on. As I said before, I went through a lengthy test with Mevo + Pro vs. Trackman 4. Within 220 yards, the data was very comparable. Short indoor mode will never be perfect with any unit, there will always so misreads/bleeps etc.

I realize this sim software will never be perfect, as it's for entertainment purposes. I've spent all this time trying to calibrate it so it's somewhat accurate, instead of just playing golf.

Anyways, hopefully TGC 2019 get's fixed otherwise I think I'll need to sell my license & go with E6 PC, or just wait for other software to come out.

I did some testing last night. I have an old computer that has the flightscope pc version app. I hit about 10 shots with a 9 iron. Furthest right of the target was 0.7 yards. Most were on or just left with a couple pulls that missed a few yards left. The path and and clubface numbers were pretty much the same that I get when playing TGC 2019. The difference is the way TGC 2019 interrupts those numbers, like you are saying. When I played TGC earlier that night my irons would show up as 10-15 yard slices some starting right of the target even when I see the ball hit left of center on the net. My guess would be it is not factoring in AOA for ball flight and just looking at club path and club face.
It is for sure not a flightscope issue, although lining a the flightscope incorrectly can cause some of these issues. I have went so far as to mark the floor with exact line ups for the flightscope and hitting area just to make sure the line up is correct everytime.
I put in a ticket to TGC to ask for help, hoping they will get back with me. Until then continue to get my butt kicked by my hacker buddy and his skytrak. LOL

[bubbtubbs]

Just think of all the seconds he's spending waiting for the shot to display and let that warm your soul.

[Bubba22]

I did some testing last night. I have an old computer that has the flightscope pc version app. I hit about 10 shots with a 9 iron. Furthest right of the target was 0.7 yards. Most were on or just left with a couple pulls that missed a few yards left. The path and and clubface numbers were pretty much the same that I get when playing TGC 2019. The difference is the way TGC 2019 interrupts those numbers, like you are saying. When I played TGC earlier that night my irons would show up as 10-15 yard slices some starting right of the target even when I see the ball hit left of center on the net. My guess would be it is not factoring in AOA for ball flight and just looking at club path and club face.
It is for sure not a flightscope issue, although lining a the flightscope incorrectly can cause some of these issues. I have went so far as to mark the floor with exact line ups for the flightscope and hitting area just to make sure the line up is correct everytime.
I put in a ticket to TGC to ask for help, hoping they will get back with me. Until then continue to get my butt kicked by my hacker buddy and his skytrak. LOL

My understanding is that TGC 2019 does not use club data in ball flight. Any club data is just for show. It uses ball direction (vertical and horizontal), speed, spin and spin axis. AOA or any club data is not a factor in any software simulation as far as I know. Perhaps Protee or others can chime in. What you should be doing to test is hit some shots on TGC 2019, and take the ball data into the Flightscope trajectory optimizer and see the results compared to TGC. The FS app is good but it I do think the ball gets launched before all the data is measured by Mevo and then it course corrects in flight. That is why the ball flight looks funny to me sometimes.

[Bubba22]

This has been discussed at length in the past.

https://golfsimulatorforum.com/forum/golf-simulator-brands-and-types/the-golf-club/173398-tgc-algorithm-vs-flightscope-optimizer-carry-distances-change-tgc-2019-s-algorithm

Have you tried using the Flightscope trajectory like I suggested?

[davidgolfer]

PS I'm not talking about a mevo. I have an X2 and the paid version of the pc software.

[Bubba22]

I missed that. So you are comparing to TGC pc version?

[davidgolfer]

Yes. Comparing flight to pc version
according to the protege interface these are the numbers they pull from flightscope. Not sure what they actually use but they pull all of this info