GC2 with swing analyse software

[philipgabriel@gmx.com]

Hi Guys,
anybody a knowing of a good and cheap software which is recording a video and play the video on a separat screen while a shot is registered in GC2?
imagination: the swing analyse software is always recording with a cam and if GC2 register a shot, the swingsoftware will show a 3 second clip on a screen in slowmotion (-:
perhaps with all data coming from the GC2. It should work while we are playing TGC.

Perhaps there is any good and cheap software compaitble with the GC2?

Swing catalyst works with GC2. But 35 dollar per month is too much.

Regards
Philip

[goatbarn]

That direct integration will always cost $, since it'd take some kind of link to the GC2. Nothing that I know of can do that other than the software packages that are made for teaching pros = $$.

I am setting up cswing to autoplayback 60 fps video from 2 cheap minidv cams I bought off eBay. It'll do both DTL and FO views synced together, replaying a set amount of recorded video which is triggered by a mic placed near the ball.

To get around the mic trigger (which isn't a fool proof trigger) you would need software integration with the GC2's shot detected trigger, which would come from some kind of sdk with the GC2 hardware.

FYI, cswing costs about $140 or so, the cams cost me $50 total, and another $20 or so for the cables.

Idk of a cheaper way to get that functionality.

And these cams are 10+ years old. So to use a new, nicer usb3 cam doing 120+ fps, there currently is no software available for a reasonable price that does what you want. The demand is still only for teaching pros and golf teaching companies, which don't mind paying top dollar because it's a business expense...write offs...etc.

[philipgabriel@gmx.com]

cswing looks ok. The price is absolutely fair!

But i cannot find anything about a connector for the GC2.
You mean the mic dection is good enough?

If i understand right: you have autoplay of a maybe 5 seconds video after a golf shot is detected via mic?

[goatbarn]

Right.

Nothing is connected to the GC2 and there is no awareness of the GC2 by cswing at all. The mic trigger allows the cswing software to know when a shot has happened, it reminds back X seconds, then plays back Y seconds in a loop at a certain speed until another shot is detected.

It would function exactly the same if you left your GC2 off and stored in your basement.

You could run the cswing software on one monitor and TGC on the projector.

The downsides are that it uses old camera tech, and that the mic trigger can be picky. There is a trial of cswing tho that you can try.

There may even be a way to link it to the GC2 through TGC, but that would take some kind of trigger pass along from GSX to cswing, which I have no idea how to do. Protee has always been very accommodating to requests tho...

[philipgabriel@gmx.com]

You say old cam tech.
One camera on the top should show the open/closed clubface at the moment of the impact.
Is it possible with a could cam? perhaps you have a proposal?

[goatbarn]

I'm not sure what you mean by "could cam"...

Clubface at impact is a whole other game. Certainly way too precise for the miniDV cams I have for FO and DTL. You'd probably need something like 240+ fps, with a super small FOV, in a camera that is capable of capturing live at that speed and controlled by software on the computer.

You'd need a very expensive camera with super-high shutter speed and a whole lot of light/infrared light. Plus some software to make the camera realize when the ball is struck ($$$$).

You're probably talking thousand of dollars for that function and I wouldn't even know where to buy it. The "big boy" simulators: HD Golf, aboutGolf...etc. have these types of functions available. It's also why they cost $20k+.

Also that cost for that function is silly to me. If you have a system that measures ball spin/speed/directions accuractely, you can use the 85/15 rationality of clubface/path and figure out if you're path is to the right of left pretty easily. If you want numbers on path/club dynamics at impact, I'd look at a Flightscope/Trackman. They'd be cheaper.

[philipgabriel@gmx.com]

ok thanks goatbarn.
I have to forget this feature (-:

Which cam do u prefer?
If impact video is not possible i want a cheap used cam with a good price performance ratio. maybe one cam should cost max 150,-€ (used ebay)

[goatbarn]

Well it depends on what software you plans on using with it.

Like cswing above only uses miniDV cams, which are 10+ years old. They do not support current USB3 high speed cameras for live recording/slow mo playback.

You need to pick a software first, then choose a camera that'll do what the software supports for that camera.

If you want a USB3 camera, to record live and playback in slowmo with triggers...etc., it's going to cost a lot of money. There just is no software solution right now that has these functions, and is priced for a home user. The market is still only geared towards professional teaching facilities.

I've heard swingcatalyst is the cheapest, but I have no idea. My idea of cheap is cswing, around $150.

[inorkuo]

can cswing use two ps3eye cams? i downloaded the trial of cswing but i can't get them to show up. i'm using kinovea right now but it doesn't have the audio trigger and playback loop capability. i have it set on a delay so i hit a ball, look up at the screen and watch each view once in regular speed. not ideal. cswing sounds much better if i could get it to work.

[goatbarn]

Not sure if they can support pseye. cswing controls the cameras via directX protocol...so pseye drivers would need to support that. Not sure they do.

[philipgabriel@gmx.com]

Is it a good cam? The cam is cheap

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[inorkuo]

here's a video from the ps3eye cam. please excuse the swing. it's a work in progress.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZOthDfHhYE

[goatbarn]

The pseye cam is a very good cam for it's price, but I wouldn't say it's a "good cam" in the general sense vs what is on the market now with USB3, machine vision-type cameras.

The problem is that it has no official driver support for the golf analysis softwares out there minus a 3rd party open-source driver developed 5+ years ago by some online forum user.

I've used it for swing recordings back in the day and it did a good job for $25, very good for that price.

Someone also wrote a microphone triggered, syched 2 pseye cams at once, program that they used at home for their practice area and it seemed like it was a nice solution for <$50. That was about 6-7 years ago, and I can't seem to find that guys posts anymore.

[inorkuo]

what forum was it on? it would be great if i could find a program like that.

[p3eps]

I tried putting a PS3 Eye cam into FSX, but it wouldn't recognise it unfortunately. I got it off ebay for £5 brand new, and then had to pay a few dollars for the driver.
I bought a Logitech C922 instead, which works with FSX. The problem is that the camera is capable of 60fps, but generally I get about 15fps - which is useless!
I guess I need to fiddle with the settings and probably adjust my lighting to make it work better?

[aja]

goatbarn could you please specify which DV cams you have? This sounds like a workable solution, ie. Cswing and the DV cams. I did a trial of Swinguru and it's not bad but the two camera option is likely better. I have a couple already gathering dust!

[goatbarn]

Any directX controllable model DV camcorder would work as long as it allows hardwire connection via Firewire to the PC/laptop.

I currently have Panasonic PV-GS80's. On the cSwing website they have a recommended camera section that breaks down all the necessary details.