Trouble sticking the greens

[keither5150]

This is a question for the ProTee people. I noticed that in general TGC's greens are really fast and it is almost impossible to stick it on the green from far out. Even 80 yard lob wedges seem to roll off the green. I just played one of your ProTee distance driving ranges. I wasn't having any trouble sticking the greens from 90 yards out. Great job on the range. My question is..... do all of the ranges and courses with protee in the name have similar greens? I find some of the TGC courses to have very unrealistic greens..... if I hit a high shot in real life from 80 yards out, it will not roll 40+ feet off the green. The high shot will hit the green, bounce and maybe roll 3-8 feet. I have been avoiding the protee courses before today because I thought that most of them were shorter. I like playing 6800+ yards courses. Once again, great job on the range.

[SFR]

What happens is that Protee set up TGC so that every course we play on TGC sim, will have neutral greens and speed as well as fairways. So if a course was made with fast greens and firm they will automatically be set to neutral and all will be the same when we play on the sim version of TGC.

One thing that you will notice with launch monitors is that you will need good groves on your wedges or you won't get enough spin to stop shots on the greens. You get what your GC2 or Skytrak actually shows for spin. Made a mistake of not cleaning the groves on the clubs after hitting many balls and lost half the spin. Took a while to figure why.

[Dax]

Dirty grooves are also not conducive to keeping a nice white screen. In terms of stopping on the green, have you checked your spin numbers?

[keither5150]

Currently I have a two camera GSA system without club data. I have a club camera on order. I know that I can play with the minimum spin settings in my control panel to more closely reflect what happens in real life. I might give that a try.

Now I don't have a ProTee system, am I subject to whatever the creator has set for the greens? If I play a ProTee course, are the greens more sim friendly? I will try a few different courses later today.

[rdh]

I thought the green speeds were overridden globally for the simulator edition? ProTee - is it both the green speed and the firmness that are overridden globally? I'm just wondering if the greens being set on very firm conditions on some of the courses (it's separate from the green speed) might be causing this? For the ranges, I left them on a medium firmness setting. keither, you said the ball seemed to bite normally on the ranges, right?

[keither5150]

Pro Tee edge distance. that range the greens are very realistic. I had no problem sticking a 90 yard shot. I will try another range tonight to see if there is a difference. got to get to work.

[rdh]

The six protee edge ranges will all behave the same...they used the same settings. What is an example of one course where wedges were rolling as you describe? I'm on different hardware but I feed into the protee interface, so I can confirm whether I see the same thing.

[SFR]

There was talk about the themes having different effects for greens and how they react on their own. This was before Protee set them all globally. I guess the question might be, do the global settings override those changes that the themes would then create? Or will we still have a different feel on the greens on different themes?

[bpep]

I played Pine Valley last night, and was a bit frustrated as well holding greens. I didn't have too many issues with wedges, but if I hit a nice clean 7I about 170ish, it would hit and run off the back. This should of stuck and checked a little bit, but it just ran out. Maybe that's just the difficulty of that course. My 2 cents. Great course though. Had a blast. I have the GC2 BTW.

[SFR]

Keep an eye on your spin numbers for those shots that seem to run out. Even post some of those numbers and guys with a GC2 can watch and see what numbers it takes to keep a mid iron from rolling out. Then watch what theme the issues were on and see if we can narrow it down.

[bpep]

My spin numbers on the 7I were about 4500-5000 rpm. Balls didn't seem to stick well unless you got to about 7500 rpm and steeper launch angle. However, launch angle, green elevation, and green slope all play a big factor. If I get some time, I will try to play a few courses and keep track of the spin rates and approach iron shots. Would be nice to capture all the shots during a round and shoot it to a .csv file. Is this possible?

[rdh]

It sounded like keither's shots were behaving as expected on the protee edge ranges, but not on whatever course he was playing...so that implies there's not a global setting for green speed/firmness. I suspect that if putting is fine, then ProTee has implemented a global setting for speed but the firmness is still using what the designer specified.

[ProTee United]

Green speed, green firmness and fairway firmness are all set global so all courses should be the same.

[rdh]

Is there any chance that was broken in the 2.8 release?

Keither - the ranges are also perfectly flat, so not sure if green slopes or elevation changes affected what you saw on the course? What course was it?


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[SFR]

Green speed, green firmness and fairway firmness are all set global so all courses should be the same.

Just to confirm.

So in the past it was said that the themes were making greens and fairways play different even when the speed and firmness was set to 12 o'clock.

Are you saying that the Theme effect is no longer happening either?

[ProTee United]

All the greens should be the same everywhere. All set to fixed factors globally no matter what the designer has set the values to.

This way you can tune in your sim and when you know your putting speed/distance you only have to worry about the slope.