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    Replicate course without LIDAR

    I have a local course I want to create that does not have LIDAR data available. I know of the tools to get the process started creating courses without LIDAR, but is there something similar you can use so you can at least import the satellite images into TGC somehow even if terrain starts out flat? Looking for a way to avoid replicating from a blank sheet design without LIDAR.

    Thanks.
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  • #2
    Originally posted by Swarm99 View Post
    I have a local course I want to create that does not have LIDAR data available. I know of the tools to get the process started creating courses without LIDAR, but is there something similar you can use so you can at least import the satellite images into TGC somehow even if terrain starts out flat? Looking for a way to avoid replicating from a blank sheet design without LIDAR.

    Thanks.
    You can create a flat course using OSM and then do the elevations manually. That’s how we did it before lidar.
    My Courses:
    World Par 3's by mthunt
    Toronto GC (L) mthunt
    Burlington G&CC by mthunt
    Weston G&CC by mthunt
    London Hunt Club L mthunt
    Park CC Lidar mthunt
    Sunningdale GC Robinson L
    Sunningdale GC Thompson L
    Muirfield Village (liDAR) First Ever Lidar course
    Country Club of Castle Pines (liDAR)
    The Sanctuary GC ProTee L
    The National GC L mthunt
    Mississaugua GC L mthunt
    Shaughnessy G&CC L mthunt
    Markland Woods CC mthunt
    Hidden Lake Old L mthunt
    Magna GC L mthunt
    Barrie CC L mthunt
    mthunt Range

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Swarm99 View Post
      I have a local course I want to create that does not have LIDAR data available. I know of the tools to get the process started creating courses without LIDAR, but is there something similar you can use so you can at least import the satellite images into TGC somehow even if terrain starts out flat? Looking for a way to avoid replicating from a blank sheet design without LIDAR.

      Thanks.
      which course are you looking to build? Even if there is not proper LiDAR data for it, you could potentially have a better starting point than just a flat course if there is DEM data. If there is DEM data available, I could help you turning that into a LAS file that is useable in Chad's Tool.
      Japan
      ZOZO Championships
      Olympic Country Club - Lake Tsuburada, Japan (L)
      Tama Hills Golf Course, Japan (LiDAR)
      Kasumigaseki Country Club East (LiDAR)
      Narashino CC - King (L)
      Taiheiyo GC - Gotemba
      Taiheiyo Club Gotemba West - Japan (L)

      US
      Torrey Pines North Course - L
      Torrey Pines South Course - L
      Scarsdale Golf Club (L) - NY
      Montauk Downs - LiDAR - NY
      Golf Club Fossil Creek L - TX
      The Tribute (LiDAR) - TX
      Boca Raton Resort & C (L) - FL

      Others:
      Bali National Golf Club 3

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      • Swarm99
        #3.1
        Swarm99 commented
        02-21-2021, 02:02 PM
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        I got 3-4 I would like to build over the next few months, but I wanted to start with a small 9 hole course. I mapped it out in OSM but without elevation data as everyone knows, it is a ton of work to even get something that looks even approximately like the course (especially for a beginner). I wanted to do some courses in the state of Georgia but it has very little LIDAR data on the USGS website. Maybe if there is a better source for this state? If you know of any that would help? What sources are available for DEM data?
    • #4
      Hi sirish 19, I just started my first course build. My local course doesn't have Lidar data available but noticed your comments about using DEM data. I'm not sure what data is available in Canada, I did come across this website: https://open.canada.ca/data/en/datas...a-45d1d2051333

      Would this KMZ file work to convert to a LAS file? I created the splines in OSM along with Chad's Tool to create my course on a flat layout. Just trying to figure out how to use some other data for the elevations when Lidar is not available.

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      • #5
        Originally posted by Revaew View Post
        Hi sirish 19, I just started my first course build. My local course doesn't have Lidar data available but noticed your comments about using DEM data. I'm not sure what data is available in Canada, I did come across this website: https://open.canada.ca/data/en/datas...a-45d1d2051333

        Would this KMZ file work to convert to a LAS file? I created the splines in OSM along with Chad's Tool to create my course on a flat layout. Just trying to figure out how to use some other data for the elevations when Lidar is not available.
        Hi, it should be possible to open the KMZ file and convert that data to LAS. Can you send me the KMZ file you want and the North, South, East & West coordinates for the course?
        Japan
        ZOZO Championships
        Olympic Country Club - Lake Tsuburada, Japan (L)
        Tama Hills Golf Course, Japan (LiDAR)
        Kasumigaseki Country Club East (LiDAR)
        Narashino CC - King (L)
        Taiheiyo GC - Gotemba
        Taiheiyo Club Gotemba West - Japan (L)

        US
        Torrey Pines North Course - L
        Torrey Pines South Course - L
        Scarsdale Golf Club (L) - NY
        Montauk Downs - LiDAR - NY
        Golf Club Fossil Creek L - TX
        The Tribute (LiDAR) - TX
        Boca Raton Resort & C (L) - FL

        Others:
        Bali National Golf Club 3

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        • #6
          These are the coordinates to the course (PGGCC) from google maps:
          53.888252716903295, -122.77514347796608
          53.89301473140183, -122.77940952749657
          53.89664545334466, -122.77534009083921
          53.89201401003552, -122.7711978985595

          I'm not sure if this is the correct file you need?
          http://ftp.maps.canada.ca/pub/nrcan_rncan/elevation/cdem_mnec/index/cdem_index_250k.kmz

          CDEM product index (drag and drop the kmz file in Google Earth to localize your region of interest)

          Thanks

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          • #7
            A course without LIDAR will be VERY difficult to kinda get right. Sculpting takes a ton of time.

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            • #8
              Originally posted by Revaew View Post
              These are the coordinates to the course (PGGCC) from google maps:
              53.888252716903295, -122.77514347796608
              53.89301473140183, -122.77940952749657
              53.89664545334466, -122.77534009083921
              53.89201401003552, -122.7711978985595

              I'm not sure if this is the correct file you need?
              http://ftp.maps.canada.ca/pub/nrcan_...index_250k.kmz
              CDEM product index (drag and drop the kmz file in Google Earth to localize your region of interest)

              Thanks
              Hi, I am not able to open the link above. I am getting a 404 Not Found error. I actually don't think a KMZ file is going to work. TIF or KML file formats might work if you can find those specific to your course.
              Japan
              ZOZO Championships
              Olympic Country Club - Lake Tsuburada, Japan (L)
              Tama Hills Golf Course, Japan (LiDAR)
              Kasumigaseki Country Club East (LiDAR)
              Narashino CC - King (L)
              Taiheiyo GC - Gotemba
              Taiheiyo Club Gotemba West - Japan (L)

              US
              Torrey Pines North Course - L
              Torrey Pines South Course - L
              Scarsdale Golf Club (L) - NY
              Montauk Downs - LiDAR - NY
              Golf Club Fossil Creek L - TX
              The Tribute (LiDAR) - TX
              Boca Raton Resort & C (L) - FL

              Others:
              Bali National Golf Club 3

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              • #9
                The attached images are only .jpg so I could upload them to this site. But I am able to export these as .TIF files. Do you think this would work?

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                • #10
                  Originally posted by Revaew View Post
                  The attached images are only .jpg so I could upload them to this site. But I am able to export these as .TIF files. Do you think this would work?
                  They might, as long as the files contain elevation data. if you can share the TIF file I will have a look.
                  Japan
                  ZOZO Championships
                  Olympic Country Club - Lake Tsuburada, Japan (L)
                  Tama Hills Golf Course, Japan (LiDAR)
                  Kasumigaseki Country Club East (LiDAR)
                  Narashino CC - King (L)
                  Taiheiyo GC - Gotemba
                  Taiheiyo Club Gotemba West - Japan (L)

                  US
                  Torrey Pines North Course - L
                  Torrey Pines South Course - L
                  Scarsdale Golf Club (L) - NY
                  Montauk Downs - LiDAR - NY
                  Golf Club Fossil Creek L - TX
                  The Tribute (LiDAR) - TX
                  Boca Raton Resort & C (L) - FL

                  Others:
                  Bali National Golf Club 3

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                  • golfgod666
                    #10.1
                    golfgod666 commented
                    03-09-2021, 02:20 PM
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                    How do you convert a TIF file or a KML into a lidar file? I've only found a way to do it the other way. I'm trying to make my home course but it has no lidar (or not public at least) but I would like some start with the TIF or KML file then do some sculpting
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