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    I am a few days into ownership of the Uneekor system, and I couldn't be happier with it, except for the included balls. While they don't feel too bad during the strike, the spin on them is abysmal. I am losing around 2k-4k (compared to ProV1) on my wedge strikes which complicates how I approach my shots when playing TGC2019. I really need to figure out a way to use my own golf balls.

    I have read about Harry's dot stickers, and while they seem to do the trick, I am concerned with the wear on the stickers if you don't align a clean part of the ball in the impact area of the strike zone. I don't want to align the ball for each shot. Also, my gut tells me that if a sticker is lined up in the impact zone, it will reduce the spin on the ball similar to impact tape. So, I have ruled these out as a solution for me.

    I read on the Uneekor Facebook group that some people have had decent luck with permanent paint pens. I didn't heed the advice and purchase the same brand that was recommended (Edding); instead, I tried the Sharpie oil based permanent paint pen. These will leave marks on the screen even after allowing the balls to cure for 48 hours.

    I've looked into the type of printers that are used to print logos on golf balls, and it seems that these printers use an LED UV ink to print on the balls. To get a name brand printer is going to run $8k-10k for a basic printer, and I don't think I would ever see the return on that investment. It looks like you can buy an unbranded Chinese printer that will do 6 balls at a time for ~$3.2k, or one that will do 4 balls at a time for ~$1.2k. The problem with these is that the specs on the printers is sparse, so I am not sure what technology is used to print and with what type of ink. I am concerned that the marks may rub off on the screen.

    My next solution is to try to use just the LED UV ink to mark the balls without the printer. Since we should only need to to a dozen balls or so at a time, this should only take about 30 minutes to an hour to accomplish manually. In order to do this, we need a method to stamp the ink and cure the ink. It looks like most of the ink uses the 395nm wavelength to cure. This is perfect, because we can easily create a curing unit out of those cheap UV LED nail polish curing boxes that you can purchase on Amazon. These boxes typically have LEDs in the 365nm and 395nm wavelengths which is right in the zone we are looking for. Many of us who 3D print using UV cured resin have used these boxes to final cure our prints, so they have already been tested with this type of use. The stamping can be performed one dot at a time with a paint brush. I imagine you can place roughly 3 sets of triangular dots on one side of the ball at a time. The curing box will hold roughly 6-12 balls at a time, depending on the model. My biggest concern is how the ink will react to the ball's surface will trying to paint the marks.

    My plan is to make a little holder that will hold 6 balls. Put the 3 sets of triangular dots on one side of the 6 balls at a time. Put them in the unit to cure, and while they are curing, paint the dots on the other half dozen. Then, swap them out and repeat the process on the other side. This is the ink I have ordered: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
    And, this is the curing unit: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    This should be enough ink for a lifetime of balls, so I have about $60 invested in this method. I just ordered the supplies last night, so I should be able to test next weekend and let you know how they turn out.
    Last edited by bbjr; 08-24-2019, 01:27 PM.

  • #31
    Guys, the callaway chrome soft with the map of Australia works well. I know the other Tru Vis patterns don’t but this one does and I can’t see the difference in spin rates with a marked up chrome soft. However, they crack after a week or so which could be around 300 shots or more. Also, I have a permanent paint pen that doesn’t rub off on the screen but will flake off so you need to rotate the ball so impact isn’t on the dots. I can send details of the pen if anyone is interested.
    Last edited by Matt Dryden; 09-15-2019, 08:59 AM.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Matt Dryden View Post
      Guys, the callaway chrome soft with the map of Australia works well. I know the other Tru Vis patterns don’t but this one does and I can’t see the difference in spin rates with a marked up chrome soft. However, they crack after a week or so which could be around 300 shots or more. Also, I have a permanent paint pen that doesn’t rub off on the screen but will flake off so you need to rotate the ball so impact isn’t on the dots. I can send details of the pen if anyone is interested.
      Are you referring to this ball:

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      • #33
        Gonna be this one:Click image for larger version

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        • #34
          Hi bbjr, you've now had the Uneekor launch monitor about a month now. I'm about to engage the contractor to start to build a SIM room separte from my house. I've been looking at different launch monitors and I've read just a bit about Uneekor Launch Monitor. Can you tell me about where you got it, why you selected that one, if you tested it before the purchase, its cost and any other input you can provide would be appreciated. Have the dots you have printed left any marks on the screen?

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          • bbjr
            bbjr commented
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            WoodlandHills I bought the system directly from Uneekor (dbybee@uneekor.com). I have owned many sim hardwares over the years (p3proswing, Skytrak, ES16, Flightscope X2), and I knew I wanted a device that can provide both accurate club path and ball flight measurements. I tried using the X2 and Skytrak together for this purpose, but it was a kind of a pain setting up two units each time I wanted to golf. Since the X2 sits 8-10' behind the hitting area, I had to keep the X2 packed away between uses, because that part of the room is used as a game room for the kids. I found myself not using the X2. I decided that the Uneekor was a better fit, and I appreciate the clean look in the sim room with no hardware on the floor near the hitting area. Also, I absolutely love the hitting area overhead camera on the Uneekor. This is so helpful in understanding ball flight given off-center hits. I also really enjoy being able to integrate my down-the-line and face-on cameras into the Uneekor software. This makes practicing hassle-free as everything I need is already set-up and I just need to start the software.

            I did not test the Uneekor prior to purchase, and I bought the base package for $6k. Afa the dots, the ones I tried to manually apply to the balls were a complete failure. I didn't even attempt to hit them into the screen because the UV ink would not completely cure. I bought some of Harry's dots to try out, and while I do not enjoy manually applying them and needing to line up the ball each shot, they hold up remarkably well and the resulting ball flight measurements seem accurate. If you wish to use your own balls, Harry's dots are probably the only way to go for now.

        • #35
          Gambler has got the right one with the map of Australia

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          • rjd1975
            rjd1975 commented
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            Matt Dryden tell us more about the paint pen that you use

        • #36
          Hi @bbjr Thanks for the reply. I purchased the ES16 and have really enjoyed the unit and all of the data it provides. I was using it for working on my golf swing only. Then the guys at Ernest Sports told me how much fun using TGC 2019 was so I bought that also. The problem is that ES16 has a low success rate at recording short chip shots. It's taken the fun out of the simulator. Do you have any problems with Uneekor recording all shots? Do you recommend Uneekor? How good was Skytrak? And the most important question: Do you recommend the purchase of Uneekor?

          Since writing the post above, I spoke with Ernest Sports and I'm almost certain that they have solved the issue of not recording all of my shots. Therefore, I'm going to keep the ES16. I spoke with the people at Uneekor. They told that at year end, they are going to be modifying their software to allow the addition ot high speed cameras for photographing the swing both down the line and facing the golfer. I'll take a look at upgrading at that point in time.
          Last edited by WoodlandHills; 09-16-2019, 07:38 PM.

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          • rjd1975
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            I would recommend the Uneekor. I had the Skytrak and the Uneekor is much more accurate. I bought the $6k base model and TGC 2019. If you are a mid-handicap golfer (10+ handicap) I would think you could use the new Bridgestone balls that they provide with no problems. If you are single digit or better and want to compete on the tour, you may find that you want to use premium balls...in that case, you will use the stickers. They work fine but of course are a little more work (because you are applying stickers). Putting and chipping are great. If you are not interested in left handed play, a GC2 would also work. Great ball data and it is a bit cheaper than Uneekor. However, if you want club data and/or you want to easily switch between lh/rh play, the Uneekor is your best bet.

          • BGCurtis2nd
            BGCurtis2nd commented
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            WoodlandHills I have owned a P3ProSwing, GolfAchiver, ES-16, GC2/HMT, and now own a QED Uneekor. I do have to say if I hadn't thought I was going to have to switch to left-handed play I don't believe I would have gotten rid of my GC2/HMT setup in fact I like it so much I looked at getting the GC-Hawk but it was out of my price range. I got the Uneekor IGNITE for $6,000.00 and I do have to say I was a bit concerned given the information I was able to get using the GC2/HMT. But I am glad I have it now not having anything sitting on the floor to worry about yourself or someone else hitting is a relief, thing hardly ever misses a shot will pick up shots from short chips to short putts provided they are over 2" long. Having the video of the shot it's self is worth a lot you can see what is going on, I like it better than the data I was getting off the HMT. If you like the ES-16 I am pretty sure you will love the Uneekor, there is that much difference in the quality of reads.

          • bbjr
            bbjr commented
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            I am 100% satisfied with the Uneekor. At this point I wouldn’t trade it for any other system out there. Other than the balls, it checks all the boxes I was looking for. The thing I disliked most about the Skytrak is that I never trusted the accuracy of the horizontal launch angle, and it would occasionally fail to pick up perfectly sound shots. With the Uneekor, I am a little suspect of the vertical launch angle, but it is at least consistent and I believe I could tweak it for better results, I just haven’t bothered because I like everything else about it. Also, It has never missed a good shot, and I have not witnessed a misread. It has failed to pick up 2 or 3 worm burners that I’ve seen hit, but I guess that can be expected.

        • #37
          If u have es16. I'm 100% confident you'll enjoy uneekor!

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          • #38
            rjd1975 it’s an ironclak pen. I’ll send a photoClick image for larger version

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            • rjd1975
              rjd1975 commented
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              I tried a paint marker. I don't have the details of the brand (sorry) but it did not work well at all. The dots looked great but they quickly left marks on the screen. I will go with stickers until a premium option presents itself.

          • #39
            Matt Dryden how are you confirming the the chrome soft with Australia is reading correctly by uneekor? Are you running another piece of hardware to confirm that both units get the same spin readings?

            Originally posted by Matt Dryden View Post
            Guys, the callaway chrome soft with the map of Australia works well. I know the other Tru Vis patterns don’t but this one does and I can’t see the difference in spin rates with a marked up chrome soft. However, they crack after a week or so which could be around 300 shots or more. Also, I have a permanent paint pen that doesn’t rub off on the screen but will flake off so you need to rotate the ball so impact isn’t on the dots. I can send details of the pen if anyone is interested.

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            • shwag33
              shwag33 commented
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              I think that people assume that it reads a number that it's accurate which is not the case.

            • wbond
              wbond commented
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              shwag33 I agree, but he referred to others not reading correctly which leads you to believe he is seeing a better result with this one vs the other patterns of chromesofts.

          • #40
            We received the Bridgestone Balls this week and without a doubt a quality ball. At $15 a dozen they are a steal. The attached video is a comparison of the two.



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            • #41
              I've consistently found that the spacing of the marks on the Chromesoft Truvis balls gives incorrect spin readings relative to Quad and Trackman. Just because you are getting a reading besides #888/#222 DOES NOT mean it is a correct reading. If someone finds that the Truvis balls give consistent readings between the Uneekor and a Quad or Trackman, I will be very surprised....

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              • #42
                I ordered a new UV curing light which came in today, I tried it on the ink only to find it doesn't seem to do a very good job of curing the ink either which makes me think it may be the ink and not the lights. I also ordered some UV curable paint but am still waiting on it to come in, will post an update as soon as I get it and see how well it works.

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                • #43
                  wbond. Apologies for the delay. I only know the chrome soft Aussie map ball work well based on hitting a lot of balls. I used to play off 2 and hit these side by side the properly marked ones and get the same distance, flight and spin with wedges. 7 irons and drivers. I swing up to 110 mph so not sure on faster swing speeds though. I’ve had tour pros use them on my QED as well and they can’t fault them.

                  Having said that the Bridgestone balls are cheaper. How do you order those?
                  Last edited by Matt Dryden; 12-29-2019, 01:40 PM.

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                  • trhode
                    trhode commented
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                    Order direct from Uneekor.

                • #44
                  I am currently using some stickers as a stencil for the Uneekor dots. I'm using black nail polish for the dots. When dry, I go over with a clear coat of spray lacquer. So far, they are holding up well. Just have to make sure the strike point is not on the painted dots. I got about a week out of the TP5x I painted originally.

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                  • trhode
                    trhode commented
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                    No, there are no marks on the screen because it is paint not ink. The paint comes off in flakes rather than rubbing off on the screen. It takes about 30 min. to paint the dots, then I spray them a couple of times and let them sit overnight.

                  • JackedUpSwing
                    JackedUpSwing commented
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                    How many hits would you say have they lasted? Did you get any 888/222 readings?

                  • trhode
                    trhode commented
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                    I used the same ball for about 5 18 hole rounds until the dots were worn enough to get 888/222 readings or "flyers' in the Golf Club game.

                • #45
                  Ok guys
                  I may and I repeat may have someone willing to print the dots on any premium balls I ship to them

                  ive sent them the uneekor pattern that Doug provided me

                  and they did a test print spacing of the dot patterns is close but not exact as they are hand rotating the balls 6 times
                  but printing a dozen at a clip

                  its not going to be cheap but I have a dozen test balls inroute to me ( these will be just a generic test ball) so I can test that they actually read accurately and that the ink is color fast ( taking the extra step of having a clear printed over the black)

                  if the balls read properly ( Doug has told me exact placement of the dots isn’t critical , close is ok ) and the ink is color fast on my screen

                  i will then make a dozen srixon z star ( my ball)
                  and a dozen pro v 1

                  id like to mail in the continental USA only
                  by regular post
                  free of charge , and assuming no liability of any kind ,one ball each to six uneekor users
                  for further testing

                  If the testing goes well we can figure out how to proceed

                  Post your screen name here and say I want one
                  and pm me your mailing address
                  1st 6 get a ball if my pvt test goes well

                  stay tuned here for updates I expect a test dozen by next Thursday






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