Skytrak vs. Flightscope Xi

[Brutaly]

The other reason is to do soft chips and putts without additional equipment add on or using auto putt.

True, but is that worth like 4000 dollars extra!? I just cant see it.

Except your nice looking list is via some undocumented/unsupported work around, correct? If so, when that disappears the Xi suddenly looks overpriced!

Undocumented, no.
Unsupported, yes.
It only disappears if you as the owner decides if it should disapear.

I still dont find it overpriced, work around or not. It still measures all those parameters and they are used in the calculations.

Skytrak is $500 less (~2,000) than FS Xi. (2,500). Are you saying it should not be this much considering what it does?

In my opinion yes and regardless of work arounds or not.

If i where you i would wait and see what E6 Cloud brings to Xi and also if it pops up some other option. There is a thread about new/unknown devices. A couple of forum members seem to be involved in beta testing a new device for sim/training which is supposed to be very affordable.

What strikes me with your i7 data is that for a 2 hcp player the data is:
Low smash
Erratic spinnumbers
Spinnumbers that are more or less impossible with an i7 without a really weird swing.
Erratic AoA. AoA should be negative with at least -2 with a i7. The low smash and positive AoA indicates reversed pivot or really faulty swing and you would be the first one i ever seen that managed to become a 2 hcp with those numbers.

Did you check so it was setup properly? It looks overall really weird.

[Dax]

I thought his smash factor was somewhere around 1.3 (hard to see on my iPad), which I thought would not be bad. Tour avg for a seven iron was 1.33 I thought.

[Maverick]

I agree about the AoA. Doesn't look right for a 2 handicap. And since metal stickers weren't used, his calculated carry numbers are invalid. Ball speed and club speed were probably good, but spin is invalid.

My answer to the question in the first post is neither. I would wait a couple of months....

[fhann]

I will go to the local golfsmith this weekend and hit my 7 iron and show you what more realistic numbers I generally get. the club head speed average was 88 as well, not 84. Also, don't you think it is strange that my 7 iron only went 8 yard longer on average than my 9 iron? Trust me, there is no over estimation.

When you are at Golfsmith, try to get your lofts checked on an accurate loft and lie gauge, (not on a loft and lie bending machine). Often, there might not be much difference between clubs and your gap difference between length of carry can be compromised. Also check to make sure that the software on the launch monitor has not been boosted to show longer yardages than actual. Boosting yardages plays on our ego and can entice golfers to purchase equipment.

The ball speed that I used is the important number when input into the golf trajectory modelling software. I hope that I read that average number correctly. It is very difficult to read your numbers from the picture that was provided. If I am close to the average that was encountered for ball speed, then the modelling software's output is quite reliable.

[fhann]

A of A numbers are influenced by properly setting up the launch monitor. The Xi series have self levelling feet which helps assist with set up. My X2 launch monitor also has the self levelling feature. But, the elevation difference between the bottom of the launch monitor and the elevation of the surface of the teeing area, (not the height of the ball if using a tee), must be determined and input into the setup parameters of the software. I think that this may also be the case when using an Xi series unit. If this was not done, then A of A will be incorrectly detected. There seems to be a high possibility that this part of the setup was not done. Your sales rep might have done you a disservice when demoing the Xi unit, since we know that metallic stickers were not used, and probably not inputting other data required. The outputs are questionable, and a purchaser loses faith in the equipment when so many outputs seem to conflict with one another.

Flightscope provides great launch monitors if they are used/operated properly. If not, then it is a case of GIGO, (garbage in, garbage out).

[Dax]

A of A numbers are influenced by properly setting up the launch monitor. The Xi series have self levelling feet which helps assist with set up. My X2 launch monitor also has the self levelling feature. But, the elevation difference between the bottom of the launch monitor and the elevation of the surface of the teeing area, (not the height of the ball if using a tee), must be determined and input into the setup parameters of the software. I think that this may also be the case when using an Xi series unit. If this was not done, then A of A will be incorrectly detected. There seems to be a high possibility that this part of the setup was not done. Your sales rep might have done you a disservice when demoing the Xi unit, since we know that metallic stickers were not used, and probably not inputting other data required. The outputs are questionable, and a purchaser loses faith in the equipment when so many outputs seem to conflict with one another.

Flightscope provides great launch monitors if they are used/operated properly. If not, then it is a case of GIGO, (garbage in, garbage out).

Great point, one of the key requirements for indoor set up is to ensure that the radar is at the same height as the tee. I'm using some tiles to make sure I get the correct height.

[ajohns38]

Great point, one of the key requirements for indoor set up is to ensure that the radar is at the same height as the tee. I'm using some tiles to make sure I get the correct height.

That's interesting guys. I am standing on a mat, say 1-2 inches off the ground and the unit was not on a mat. And you are absolutely correct. The sales rep did in fact do me a disservice. I am sure if we would have used metallic stickers, set the elevation properly, and leveled, I would have received better numbers.

fhann- As far as my clubs are concerned, they are all standard lofts. 35 degrees for a 7 iron. I remember last year they had a nike rep at the local golf shop and she wanted me to hit their 7 iron vs. mine and I hit theirs way farther. It makes you think their clubs are way better, but actually it was just the loft of a 6 iron. It is a good trick they try and play.

I am sorry the picture is so small. On average for 7 iron (5 shots) 166.5 carry, 10.3 roll, 176.8 total distance, 3.8 lateral, 112.9 ball, 88.3 club, 1.28 smash, 2214 spin, v launch 21.5, h launch 1.3 L, v descent 38.6, AOA 2.4, spin loft 25.1. But like I said, I will give you an average tomorrow with the same club on GC2 at golfsmith. The numbers are skewed due to the machine, not my golf ability.

[fhann]

For that 112.9 mph ball speed, 21.5 launch angle and with a back spin of 6800 rpm with no side spin, then the maximum carry distance for 5000 feet elevation above sea level, (without wind conditions), will be 191 yards.

Get your lofts checked and you might be able to answer your question why there was only 8 yards carry distance between your 7 and 9 iron.

[Brutaly]

I thought his smash factor was somewhere around 1.3 (hard to see on my iPad), which I thought would not be bad. Tour avg for a seven iron was 1.33 I thought.

Yes, that sounds about right I think the average loft is 34 degrees and average distance is about 175 yards.

Here we have 20 extra yards and a moderate swing speed hence why i think the smash is low if 190-200 should be in reach.

My point was that the numbers dont add up. Something is messade up in the setup.

[ajohns38]

Get your lofts checked and you might be able to answer your question why there was only 8 yards carry distance between your 7 and 9 iron.

The lofts are fine. The whole point behind that was the data was wrong. I don't hit my 7 iron 8 yards longer than my 9. My 7 iron is 35 degrees and 9 is 43 degrees.

[Bubba22]

Brutaly where are you coming up with $4000 extra for putting?

[Brutaly]

Brutaly where are you coming up with $4000 extra for putting?

Sorry for being unclear, english isnt even my third language.
It was a reference regarding the difference in price between skytrak/Xi and gc2.

Or at least the difference i EU.

[Bubba22]

Sorry for being unclear, english isnt even my third language.
It was a reference regarding the difference in price between skytrak/Xi and gc2.

Or at least the difference i EU.

I thought we were looking at Skytrak vs Flightscope? Skytrak will allow for putting.

[Brutaly]

I thought we were looking at Skytrak vs Flightscope? Skytrak will allow for putting.

I made the remark regarding the GC2 pricing when i went a bit off topic in an earlier post. Sorry, will try to stay on topic to minimize misunderstandings.

I got the impression that OP wasnt interested in simulation/putting.

[ghopper8]

I wonder if there is anything to do with the environment. I don't know to much about the technology, but I know about cameras. If the environment is not bright enough and lens not fast enough, could the lag of the camera or the noise cause this issue ?

[ghopper8]

Sorry wrong thread, phone must be playing up