FSX vs. ProTee/TGC in late 2015

[ks-man]

I think I’ve decided on going with the GC2 rather than ProTee. I think it will work best with my room mainly due to the easier install (not needing the lights and extra cameras) and also to more easily allow for my son who is a lefty to continue to use the system as he grows (I’m limited in the width of the room). I’m now debating on the software to get to go along with it and have been reading a ton of posts around here. It sounds like most people around these forums feel very strongly that ProTee 2.0/TGC is much better than FSX but I’m wondering specifically why. Much of what I read is 6-12 months old before I believe FSX was fully launched. I’m wondering how the two stack up against each other head-to-head. Clearly TGC has significantly more courses but outside of that is there another reason that FSX falls way short?

I had a conversation with someone from P2P and for the sake of the conversation we assumed that there was no risk of losing TGC compatibility with the GC2. His opinion was that the FSX is more “performance” level software when paired with the GC2 and will be the best for improving my game and 2.0/TGC was more for the “entertainment experience” giving me access to thousands of courses and name courses like Pebble, St Andrews, etc. Both seem to have online play (I’m guessing TGC has far more players), both have 4k support (probably won’t matter for my room). While clearly not as extensive as TGC, FSX does now seem to offer a good amount of courses albeit at a high cost per course. I don’t know exactly how many courses I would feel I’d need. The graphics look pretty good though it is hard to do a true comparison simply via online pictures.

So what are people’s opinions around here? Coming towards the end of 2015 is ProTee/TGC software still far better than FSX? If so what are the main reasons for feeling that way? I really wish I could try out both but don’t know anyplace nearby that offers either setup. Thanks for the help.

[mthunt]

both are great in my opinion but I found TGC has better graphics, 80000 courses, a course designer and it's less money. That did it for me.

[Bentley]

I'm curious why he felt that FSX was more performance oriented? I think you could argue that the ProTee hardware with it's software could be more performance oriented because you are getting more club measurements that you can only get from Foresight with the HMT unit (for another $6000). I think that data would be much more important to swing improvement than any differences in software. I haven't used Pro Tee software, but it does have a driving range and various practice elements.

[Js1010]

Tgc is mainly for playing simulation golf. FSX has great practice range module that will keep track of all your shots and let you compare shots or even compare shots between different clubs. If you are interested in that sort of thing then I would consider Fsx. If you just want to play Sim Golf and are ok with just basic range features like hitting over and over from same spot then Tgc will work. I don't believe Tgc will ever have the multi- shot analysis that the Foresight software has. I am hopeful Tgc will eventually allow us to choose a spot on any course and any hole to hit over and over from.

Tgc graphics in my opinion are the best. I have not seen any other sim software that has better graphics. While also getting thousands of great courses for free and more being added every day.


You can see a basic video of the fit module that i am talking about here

http://youtu.be/lWMzHH51io8

If you look on par2pro youtube channel he has other videos showing fsx.

[JV17]

I'm curious why he felt that FSX was more performance oriented? I think you could argue that the ProTee hardware with it's software could be more performance oriented because you are getting more club measurements that you can only get from Foresight with the HMT unit (for another $6000). I think that data would be much more important to swing improvement than any differences in software. I haven't used Pro Tee software, but it does have a driving range and various practice elements.

I will say this about the ProTee software... It's not strong in the game improvement area either. The driving range doesn't track stats like FSX or E6. You are correct about the ProTee system Bentley... If you do the full 2 camera setup with putting unit, it is a better cost effective way to get club data. HMT is still overpriced.

To KS's question, I agree with what P2P and JS said... Depends on what your primary goal is. TGC is better for playing simulation golf with WAY better graphics, and FSX is better for practice with purpose. I wanted both, so I ended up with ProTee/TGC and E6 1.6 for practice. I still passed on FSX. I practice with TGC sometimes, just like I play an E6 course now and again.

[ks-man]

I will say this about the ProTee software... It's not strong in the game improvement area either. The driving range doesn't track stats like FSX or E6. You are correct about the ProTee system Bentley... If you do the full 2 camera setup with putting unit, it is a better cost effective way to get club data. HMT is still overpriced.

To KS's question, I agree with what P2P and JS said... Depends on what your primary goal is. TGC is better for playing simulation golf with WAY better graphics, and FSX is better for practice with purpose. I wanted both, so I ended up with ProTee/TGC and E6 1.6 for practice. I still passed on FSX. I practice with TGC sometimes, just like I play an E6 course now and again.

Thanks for the thoughts JV17. Curious to why you passed on FSX and decided to go with E6 1.6. I'm assuming you have a GC2.

[JV17]

Yes, I have A GC2. Three reasons I went with E6 1.6 over FSX. The E6 driving range had better functions/options, E6 was further along with it's online presence, and there were more courses and game play options in E6. Much of that could have changed since then, although I doubt it.

[davray666]

Hi JV17,
This is probably a stupid question but how do you hook up GC2 to E6? According to the E6 web page, GC2 is not part of the supported devices.
The reason I am asking is because E6 online play if it ever becomes available was one of the alternatives I considered until I bought a GC2. (I have a Skytrak as well)
As opposed to TGC, it seams that E6 has a demo version that will allow you to test it before you buy. I have not been able to locate where to get that demo but I did not look for it that hard since I was under the impression that it will not work with any of my LM's anyway. (right now that is, I know ST will be supported some time in the unknown future)

[Stiggity]

e6 demo website. Skytrak is not listed yet but i do not see the option for GC2. Demo looks like it will last 30 days.

https://trugolf.com/e6/demo/

[davray666]

30 days, that's great. More than enough to test it properly and make a buy decision. Problem is that for both Skytrak and GC2 to connect you will need more components and those are not available as demo as far as I can see. We will see after the Skytrak announcement later today. Maybe the GC2 will end up on ebay again:-)

[Stiggity]

I really don't know how any of the software connects or boots up since I only own a skytrak and no info has been release about connectivity except usb. I would be very interested if you would be able to figure out a way to do same shot analysis using both gc2 and skytrak. Par2pro tried but looks like they just did a quick video without trying to figure out optimal placement if possible

[ks-man]

Are there any videos online of the GC2 with The Golf Club software? I'd love to see what it looks like. I'm assuming there isn't the bad delay like I've seen on the SkyTrak videos. Is that correct?

[JV17]

davray666 , Not a silly question at all... I have ProTee software (TGC Package) and ProTee's interface enables me to connect to e6, as ProTee is supported by e6.

[davray666]

Thanks JV, That info felt like the last missing piece of the GC2 sim connect puzzle.

[JV17]

Ks-man, there is a barely noticeable delay with GC2 and TGC, or ProTee's camera system and TGC... So long as you have the proper computer hardware of course. It's much less than the ST/TGC demo delay.

[sprigs]

Is there a Protee demo available to try with a GC2?

I have FSS and FSX, and looking for a better simulation play...

Thanks

[JV17]

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Is there a Protee demo available to try with a GC2?

I have FSS and FSX, and looking for a better simulation play...

Thanks

Sprigs,

Not that I have seen. No demo on Swingsense's site. Best you can do is view people's YouTube or Twitch clips. In my opinion, TGC without question is THE best simulation experience. It's missing things like a lobby to play other players online, although you can do it just fine... It just has to be coordinated ahead of time. It's also missing true driving range features, but since you have FSX, you won't need that. There are features it does have that standard sims don't have, so you give up a few things and get a few things, plus it has the best graphics. If expenses aren't too large a concern, you'd be doing yourself a favor. I'd bet that you'd be playing TGC almost exclusively. Just make sure your computer hardware is up to snuff...TGC is a little more taxing than others. Good luck.

[mthunt]

Best to ask that question of Protee.

[JV17]

Good point mthunt... Swingsense may be happy to provide a demo if asked directly.