Golf Sim for Bar, looking for advice

[RRR]

Hey guys, would love a little help. Want to put a golf sim in my bar, I live in a small town but weather sucks half the year. What would you go with?
I have played the AboutGolf system and really enjoyed it, but pricey 48k. Truegolf Vista is a much better price point 17k, but is it accurate enough to keep people coming back? Trakman sounds good but also spendy 50k. HD golf, full swing??? So many to chose from? Want something good for right and left hitters, and something that works well for running leagues? Needs to be accurate enough to get people to come back and spend money to play the thing? Also not sure if I should just build the thing out myself and save some cash, but being open to public it would need to be done right.
Would love some feedback on systems you have played and what some of you would recommend. Thanks Guys

[Mike80]

If you need it compatible for the lefty and righty then ProTee is your best choice for cost. It uses a club impact insert with sensors and two cameras to read the ball. It is very affordable and accurate. More information is at: http://www.proteegolfsimulator.com/

The other options for lefty and righty would be FlightScope. That sits about 8 feet behind the golfer and reads the ball flight for both lefty/righty. Only issue with this setup is putting. Putting really doesn't work with FlightScope and think very soft chips also have problems.

Other launch monitor options are the Foresight GC2 and Skytrak. Both are great launch monitors but doesn't work well with lefty/righty changes. You would have to physically move the launch monitor device to allow the camera to see the ball for the lefty side and righty side.

I think ProTee is your best option. I didn't mention TruGolf. That could be another option as well. I don't know much about their hardware and accuracy.

[RRR]

Does ProTee work with E6? or does it run on TGC (is that right) and if so is that one compatible with local leagues and tournaments? Not looking for online game play as much? I haven't seen many business's running ProTee so i was concerned it was more geared towards private home use? Thanks for the input.

[Mike80]

It works with E6. Here is a good resource for you to check out. In this thread he setup something exactly what you are wanting to do. He uses the ProTee and ProTee 2.0 simulation software. I believe he chose ProTee software over TGC because it was setup better for leagues. Check out the thread and contact him if you have questions.

http://golfsimulatorforum.com/forum/...wm-indoor-golf

[ProTee United]

FYI, you can run E6 on ProTee systems. You can buy E6 for ProTee from TruGolf directly. The online demo will also work on ProTee.

[Bubba22]

ProTee is a good choice for why you want.

[RRR]

Thanks Bubba22 reading through this forum for the past 2 weeks, you give tons of great advice, thanks for your time!

[Spectra Golf]

Hello RRR, what are the dimensions of the room or area you are wanting to dedicate for the simulator?


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[RRR]

It is in a big room, 40'x30' with 10' ceilings. But we also have a pool table, ping pong table, darts, and seating in there. 12' wide would be ideal, but i can go wider, length isn't much of a concern, i can give it 20'-25' pretty easy. It does have some big windows in there so I worry a little about protee and light, but I think I can make that work.

[bionicboogerboy]

Hi RRR

This first image is golfsimulatorguys universal studio. It works with all launch monitors and most golf simulators such as Trugolf, Protee and even the entry level simulators such as P3proswing and Optishot.

We are working on our first commercial studio which will be very similar to the second image. It just went from concept to the engineer last week. So we are 1 to 2 months before we have a prototype. It will have a conventional golf sim look and feel but will still fit into residential footprints and have a residential price $20-$25k. If you don't want a portable concept such as the Vista or our GS13 this will be a perfect alternative.

Features:
- Universal Studio that will work with basically any launch monitor or sim on the market
- Floating floor platform with removable turf for maintenance
- Floor system will be Protee friendly that will allow for putting sensor. We are also working on a Turf Top for Protee so all turfs match.
- Conventional square tube frame with carpeted panels
- Optional Projector/Light/Camera bar that is also Protee friendly. If you don't want to hardwire everything, there will be an option for a bar that will hold a Projector(that will have a projector protection cover), light bar that will have the custom lights for Protee and will have a mount for Protee's camera.
- Self install. Everything will be tool free assembly except the projector bar.
- Footprint is about 14'6"(w)x 8'6"(h)x15'(d) which is the same as the second image except the height is a foot shorter so it will fit into 9' ceiling heights.

[RRR]

Does this come with Protee sensors, Cpu, monitor, software, and projector? Or did I misread your price of $20-25k? It does look nice.

[bionicboogerboy]

Hi RRR

The one on the left is available now. It is $10,025 just for the studio. So you would need sim hardware, software and cpu. Protees base pack 2 is $6k and we will put an Alienware PC with that for about $1k. We have optional side panels for commercial applications.

The one on the right is not ours but we are designing one that is similar to that now and will be available in the second quarter. The $20-$25k most likely will include a high end sim such as Protee or Trugolf.

Please feel free to call or PM me.
317 626 0660

[RRR]

Can I use heavy curtains for sidewalls with Protee? I read somewhere someone was having problem using sheets because they didn't reflect correctly for cameras. Seems like curtains on rollers would work great?

Is 12' wide enough for swinging and screen, or does a guy need to go 14'? I can do 14' just eating up a bit more space in the bar.

how sturdy and safe are the cameras? this is in an actual bar, not a simulator shop? part of me wanted to go with trackman or foresight so I could remove them when we expected a rowdier night. (We aren't in Sturgis so not That Rowdy)

Thanks for your help guys, this has got to be one of the hardest things to research and decide on, so many choices, and they are all so different.

[Eshmetro]

Dear RRR,

I have one in my banquet room above my tavern & grill in Landisville, PA. I would strongly recommend 14'width. We have 13'5" and if the player has a flat swing plane they can catch the side panel on their back swing. Anything less is going to be TIGHT if you want to offer it to both lefties & righties.

With some foresight you can cross utilize the projector as a big screen for sporting events.

My platform is made up of dow highload 60#psi foam insulation $27 per 2'x8' panel available @ WhiteCap masonry supply. You'll need at least 5. I cut the 6th diagonally with a hot foam knife and used it as a ramp so my drunks would be less likely to trip when they walked up to the platform. I have some left overs and will mail them to you if you want. The turf panels are ECORE speed and agility panels @ $50 per 2'x4' panel. They have a 1/2" rubber under-sole and are used in indoor sports facilities. They are much better than hitting off a plywood panel as the rubber underneath the turf makes it feel more like you're standing on a fairway and helps with your footwork. If you're using the PRO-TEE putting sensors you'll need to slowly cut out the lines for the putting sensors. Remember you can always cut more but you can't uncut.

I have the side panels on 3/4" conduit and a pipe T hung from the ceiling. The panels can fold in when the simulator is not in use and act as a movie screen side curtain. I think I spent less than $25 per side panel curtain on ATG for blackout panels. They were cheap but they are not washable if that makes a difference.

You can leave the base for the camera in the floor and just put in the camera part - I put a plastic milk crate around the V-Cam so it doesn't move if someone hits it with a club or the vibration from the side panel when their club hits the panel on the follow-through.

Our room is 38' x 14' with a chimney jutting out about 7" from the wall.

With some time & effort you can build a professional looking base and surround for just under a $1000.

Check with your local bud representative for corporate sponsorship. Our rep, Scott Kistler from Willsbach, was able to get us a Michelob Ultra stand bag, jackets, umbrellas, golf towels and balls for our upcoming SHOOT-OUT if we put ULTRA on draft.

Good Luck in your venture.

Sincerely & Respectfully,
Glen Eshelman aka ESHMETRO online

PS
If you live with-in driving distance you're welcome to come by and play for free as my guest. I've been extremely please with my PRO-TEE simulator. The product performs better than I expected it would and the customer service from PRO-TEE is unequalled. Between greens fees and extra alcohol and food revenue that the simulator has generated, I expect to re-coup my investment in less than 2 years.

[RRR]

That is great info, thanks a ton! I'm in Wyoming so probably wont make it by anytime soon, nice looking setup!!

[ks-man]

Looks nice. How much do you charge people to use it?

[RRR]

I haven't been able to find those turf tiles yet, but I see they have it in 6' rolls, I assume that should work. Did you have issues with things slipping, either the subfloor or the turf on top of the floor. It is going on top of a concrete floor?
Again thanks a ton, I think you saved me some money, and a ton of time! if you are ever in Wyoming I will buy you a round of golf and drinks.

[Eshmetro]

Here's a link for the turf tiles.

RRR - My unit was slipping early on. I resolved the issue by drilling L-brackets into the subfloor around the sensor. I used smaller L brackets to secure the DOW panels so they wouldn't move due to the torque generated by the swings.

KS-MAN - I have tiered pricing. MON-THUR 10-4PM $10/hour 4-10PM $15/hour. FRI-SUN 10AM-9PM $ 20 FRI&SAT 9-CL $15/hour SUN 4-10PM $10/hour. I'm flexible with the pricing - if there's a foursome playing and they take an extra hour I usually comp the time as long as they've been spending money on food or drink. I'd sooner have my patrons leaving my establishment thinking they got a bargain. They're more likely to come back and bring their friends if they think they got a good deal. I had lots of repeat business over the winter but Eastern PA saw 80 degrees this week so indoor play dropped off as it got nice outside. I hope to still do some business after dark and on days where foursomes get rained out. Good luck with your venture if you decide to give it a try.

Sincerely & Respectfully,
Eshmetro

PS
If you go to the ECORE website you will see that the Chicago White Sox use this product in their indoor batting cages. The stuff feels really natural underfoot and the slight cushioning really makes you feel like you're swinging in a real fairway.