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  • Mekongmike
    Member
    • Jan 2018
    • 63

    #1

    Plotting on a Sim Build in Oregon

    Hello All,

    As with many Members, I have been lurking for quite sometime. There is so much information on this GS Forum that's it's almost daunting. However, I'm willing to dive in with some much needed assistance from you all.

    I have one major obstacle. My wife. We live in Oregon where it rains a lot from October through April. Probably similar to Scotland. I ran a price by her for a complete out-of-the-package purchase. She balked. Now I'm faced with reducing the price to satisfy her. Sound familiar? The plus is that over the past 4 years she has caught the golf bug and enjoys the game like I never figured that she would. I need to convince her that a SIM will be used year around, not just during the winter months.

    A little about myself: I am a soon to be 70 year old Vietnam Veteran who is in pretty darned good shape for my age. I served on Navy riverboats that ferried infantry troops around in the jungles of the Mekong Delta using small rivers and canals. I retired as a General Building Contractor so I have the skills for the construction portion of a SIM. Although I have been using a computer since 1988, I'm not as adept on the latest technology that I am reading about here on this site.

    1) After a lot of research I TEST ran the price of the TruGolf Vista 8 Pro package of $12K + past the wife. DING...! No go. Now I have to begin whittling down the pricing for re-submittal. The lower the better, but I do not want to sacrifice Quality.


    2) Here are the dimensions of the space that I am considering. It is a single bay garage. I am willing to remove the garage door tracks while leaving the door in place. It's easier than removing the door and framing/siding/painting the outside:

    - 12' wide
    - 10' high
    - 19' long
    - (1) 3' x 4' window on the right side
    - (2) doors that enter from either side at the rear away from the garage door
    - Concrete floor. I am plotting on a 2x4 deck with OSB plywood on top in the key area. Or could I do the rubber squares that lock together?

    What would be a good size SIM to fit in this area?

    3) I got excited about possibly having a laptop for iMac to run the project. After checking it does not look possible.

    - 2010 Dell Inspiron 1564 laptop. Found out that graphics are tied directly to motherboard so it is a no go.

    - Late 2011 Mac with 27" screen that River Rat buddy gave me when he purchased a new one. I am seeing that Macs are not supported much by the SIM softwares out there.

    It has an Intel Core i5 with 1 TB HDD. Appears that I would need an i7, but that upgrade is very iffy. More power and more ventilation needed. Plus it is tough to get into Macs to do the work. It has an AMD Radeon HD 6770M GPU - 512 VRAM

    - Late 2013 Mac with 27" screen that is my primary. It has i5 with 1 TB HDD - NVIDIA GeForce GT 755M - 1024 VRAM (All pretty much "Greek" to me) If I were to consider it then I would have to transfer all data over to the older iMac.

    4) We live in the country so cells are pretty weak. I checked the potential area and I have (2) bars out there most of the time. I have a NetGear Router. Would this be enough to run the system and play online? I have one Sprint Booster that has helped a little with the signal towards the back of the house. Perhaps another one out by my build would help? We have 10 Mpbs fiber optic cable to the house. Could I split that and run a cable out to the SIM area?

    5) Without hands-on experience all of the talk about SkyTrak, TruGolf E6 1.6, etc. has my head spinning. Note: I underwent not one, but two craniotomies in mid-2015, which hasn't helped matters. Fortunately I came out ok when 40-60% do not make it. It was a fall in my Shop while shooting baskets at my 10' hoop. My skull was no match for the concrete floor.

    Ok...this is a start. I'm sure with all of your coaching that I can come up with the pieces of the DIY Sim Build for much less cost. I want to THANK all of you in advance for your generous assistance!!! I've seen you help others here and know that I'm in good hands.

    Warm Regards,
    Mekongmike
  • kalcormier
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2017
    • 165

    #2
    Hi Mike. Thank you for your service. I believe you can have a very nice setup for around $5,000 (probably a little less). It helps that you are a General Building Contractor because DIY shouldn't be a problem.

    Basically what you will need is:
    1) A launch monitor/sensor system. Does it need to be portable? Is right and left handed play important?
    2) An impact screen
    3) A way to mount the screen. Either 3/4 EMT or Slotted angle iron. You can buy the fittings then pick up the EMT at a local hardware store.
    4) A stance/hitting mat. DivotAction, Country Club Elite, Trustrike, Fiberbuilt.
    5) A projector
    6) A computer to run the software. I'm not a computer guy but there may be a way to run the software on a Mac.
    7) Software. The launch monitor should come with some type of range. If you want to play full courses you will need software.

    I can provide links to the sites if you need.

    Last edited by kalcormier; 01-24-2018, 03:12 AM.

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    • Mekongmike
      Member
      • Jan 2018
      • 63

      #3
      kalcormier,

      Thanks for your quick reply! It is encouraging. Also for your kind words about my service to our Nation. I say Thank You to all of my fellow Veterans on this Board...!

      Links would be great.

      As I mentioned, I truly want to go with quality items for the SIM.

      I'm getting excited already...!

      Mekongmike

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      • kalcormier
        Senior Member
        • Jun 2017
        • 165

        #4
        It is kind of intimidating at first with all the different products and many options.

        1) Launch monitor. Skytrak will run you $1695 plus $99/year if you want to play sim golf. http://www.skytrakgolf.com/content/welcome-skytrak
        The next step up would be either a ProTee (not portable) for around $6000 https://golfsimulatorstore.com/colle...ee-base-pack-2
        or a GC2 for $5400 https://foresight-sports.myshopify.c...-owned-deposit

        2) Impact Screens.
        I have Carls Preferred and have no complaints. http://www.carlofet.com/golf-simulator-screens.html
        There's the par2pro HQ http://www.par2pro.com/shop/index.php?cPath=23_35
        And a direct from mill list on this forum somewhere.

        3) EMT fittings. https://www.a1tarps.com/specialty-fittings.html

        Check out here to see how to build the frame. https://docs.google.com/viewerng/vie...Rev-102617.pdf

        4) Mats.
        Country Club Elite http://www.realfeelgolfmats.com/ Some guys say this one hurts their wrist, elbows, and shoulders.
        DivotAction http://www.customdesigngolf.com/divo...rade-mats.html
        Truestrike https://www.truestrike.com/

        5) Projector. This depends mostly on the throw distance. How far it will be mounted from the screen. Typically you want it about the hitting area.
        Alot of people use this site and enter their specs. http://www.projectorcentral.com/projectors.cfm

        6) I almost bought a gaming computer for my system but I had a Toshiba laptop I had just bought before I got into sim stuff. I didn't think it would have the graphics card to handle TGC or E6. But it surprised me that I am able to run either. I don't run in the highest detail and never really tried too. I think one of the ones you have will work.

        7) I have E6 and The Golf Club. E6 has good graphics. You can select multiple tee boxes. And the ability to have multiple profiles. However, I could not make a putt to save my life. I had to set gimmes at 10 ft.

        I've only had TGC for 2 weeks. I'm still getting the hang of it. I don't think you can have 2 different profiles. Someone may correct me on this? I also believe you can't set the tee box for the player (since you will probably play with the wife) but you can choose the length of courses you play by searching for them. There is a good course list on this site.

        E6 is 300/year for 15 courses or you can buy it outright for 1800 one time fee. You can get additional courses for $400 for 12

        TGC is 479/year or you can buy it outright for 795 if you catch the special. TGC has far more courses to choose from plus user created course.

        I went with E6 yearly at first because of cost. I bought TGC hoping the upgrade to TGC2 will be minimal.


        A couple sites with a bunch of DIY parts are the https://wwww.par2pro.com site and https://wwww.allsportssystems.com
        Last edited by kalcormier; 01-24-2018, 05:29 AM.

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        • Mdsypher
          Mdsypher commented
          Editing a comment
          Kalcormier- I am in the process of building my room and looking at the Carl’s preferred screen. Looks like the best option. How long have you had it? Any signs of wear yet? How is the image? What kind of projector are you using? Thanks and sorry for all the back to back questions.
      • Mekongmike
        Member
        • Jan 2018
        • 63

        #5
        Thanks for the links kalcormier...! I'm busy checking them out.

        There sure are many variables. Especially with the LMs. I'm already feeling the tug between the SkyTrak and the GC2. Must be a bunch of quality for the price of the GC2 and that's a Pre-owned.

        I'm going to crunch some numbers and see what pops up.

        With 12' wide and 8' or 9' high any suggestions on screen size? I have plenty of distance from the screen to the driving area.

        I see that you are from Monroe. My wife grew up in Winnsboro and went to school up in Monroe back in the late 60's.

        Mekongmike
        Last edited by Mekongmike; 01-24-2018, 06:43 AM.

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        • kalcormier
          Senior Member
          • Jun 2017
          • 165

          #6
          Wow. It's a small world isn't it?

          I have a skytak and have zero complaints. It has worked great for me other than putting in the E6 software. It's a lot better since I bought TGC.

          I won't lie to you though. I have been looking at the pre-owned GC2s. Mainly because I would love to have club data. So I would have to add an HMT to the GC2 for that. GC2 + HMT = 10,000 but you could split the purchase. I never asked and its probably a hard question to answer at this point but what kind of data are you looking for? Ball only or Ball/Club? It would probably help to do some research into this.

          With the screen size everyone says go as wide as you can. My space right now is 10 wide x 8 high. I think I bought a 10 x 9 screen. I let the extra hang in the floor. As I'm typing this I realized I probably should have went 10 x 10. Then I can rotate it 4 ways instead of 2 when the screen wears. But I've hit at least 200 balls a day for the last 7 months and haven't seen much wear. If you use angle iron to mount the screen you may want to get an 11.5 x height. If you use a frame you could probaby go 12 x height.

          At 8' I hit the ceiling every now and then with the longer clubs. If you can get a 9' ceiling I would go with that over 8'.

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          • Mdsypher
            Mdsypher commented
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            You can use Skytrak with R-motion now that gives you club head data. Also on Utube, Par2pro has a video from the 2018 PGA show with Skytrak. Skytrak has an update coming out soon that will put fairways on the range and a new algorithm that gives clubhead data. I called Skytrak and they told me it should be out in the next few months.

            Mekongmike- I really like my Skytrak. Also with GC2 you have expensive software to buy whereas Skytrak they put out updates that you instal via the internet.
        • kalcormier
          Senior Member
          • Jun 2017
          • 165

          #7

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          • Mekongmike
            Member
            • Jan 2018
            • 63

            #8
            Thanks again kalcormier! It is indeed a "small world". Our visits down there are always "cultural". I truly love Popeyes, but we don't have many here in Oregon. Four pieces, dark meat, red beans and rice with honey for my biscuit.

            This is all pretty daunting. All of the acronyms, $$ amounts, etc. tend to baffle me. It would be nice if some others would jump in here with their opinions/suggestions. Nothing against you. It's just that I have perused the site and many folks have nice ideas, shortcuts and less pricey ways to go for the same or better quality.

            My biggest problem is not really being able to fully grasp which key parts are need for the complete layout of a SIM. Not so much on the screen and projector, but software, mats, etc.

            You asked about GC2 & HMT. Just the refurbished GC2 would be $5,400.00. This may be possible if I could keep the total of the other items under $9K (Psychological strategy when confronting my wife ) . Of course lower would be better.

            After looking up HMT I can say that I wouldn't need it.

            What you are saying about a larger screen to rotate due to wear sounds good.

            You initially mentioned that I could maybe build a SIM for $5K or less. Would it be possible for you, or anyone else, to compose a list of the specific items that I would need? Also pricing on as quality items as I could get for, say, $5K to $9K?

            Hope that I'm not a nuisance. Just trying hard to figure all of this out...

            Mekongmike

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            • kalcormier
              kalcormier commented
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              We definitely do eat good down here!

              It is pretty daunting with all the options. No worries, I wish others would chime in as well. There is more than one way to skin a cat.
              Last edited by kalcormier; 01-25-2018, 07:10 AM.
          • Tresslerd
            Member
            • Jan 2018
            • 33

            #9
            Hey Mike check out my recent build it cost me just over 5K and included New 1K CPU and also added a gas heater into the garage. It’s under title took the Plunge.

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            • Mekongmike
              Member
              • Jan 2018
              • 63

              #10
              Thanks for your input Tresslerd...! Looks like you are doing well with your build. A small tradeoff for being able to golf year around back east.

              I still have tons of questions and am hoping others will jump in.

              The rough $5K price is nice, but I feel that I could go a bit higher. Perhaps up to $9K.

              I see that Jack Nicklaus' sim is based on WGT. I have played WGT golf online. It was nice, but I'm thinking that there has to be better graphics out there for a little higher price.

              I would have to purchase a PC to handle the software. I haven't a clue as to where to start. Any assistance/suggestions would be appreciated.

              Here's what you posted with some of my additions/notes in red:

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              Tresslerd’s Build with Costs:

              * SkyTrak - $1,994 Launch Monitor/Golf Improvement Package (Includes first year SkyTrack Subscription $99 and SkyTrak Metal Protection Case $150)

              * Jack Nicklaus Perfect Golf Sim Basic - $200 Annual
              - Has WGT courses

              * Steam Windows Access to JNPG - $35 One Time
              - Someone said an extra $50 to get another 200+ user designed courses like Pebble Beach, Spyglass, Whistling Straights, etc.

              * BirdieBall Putting Strip $287 (Double Thick) 10’X3’

              * 5 Star Golf Hitting Mat-$290 PerfectReaction 1 3/4”Thick 4’x5’

              * HockeyMonkey.com: $350 SportScreen - 16’x9’ Manual Roll Up or $250 for 10’
              - My max width is 12' with sheetrock walls on both sides. Height can go up to 9' or so on 10' ceiling. Distance to hitting area???

              * ProScreen - $200 HD Impact Screen 144”X108”
              - Someone else recommended ProTee screen or Cory’s HQ screen

              * Optima GT1080Darbee $730 ShortThrow HD Gaming Projector
              I may have a longer throw based on my dimensions?

              * TerraShield - $250 Floor Mount Projector Protection
              Not sure if I would like a floor mount projector? Any ideas?

              Total Cost: $4336.00

              ======

              I'm fried again tonight. Other projects are awaiting me, but I'm obsessed with this possibility right now.

              Mekongmike

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              • CW35
                Member
                • Mar 2017
                • 64

                #11
                Hi Mekongmike,

                Welcome to the forum. There are plenty of budget friendly builds here on the forum that would help get you to where you want. A recent one just posted under the title "MN Garage Golf Sim Build" gives some ideas for around $11k which includes using the gc2 (refurb). I personally have the gc2 (bought refurb) along w/ the Benq 2150st and I'm very happy with those. There is a LOT of debate regarding the 2 LM's mentioned and what people prefer w/ all things considered (cost, accuracy, delay, etc). While the Skytrak is at an awesome price point, there are a lot of examples of people on this forum that have then upgraded to the gc2. If it were me and you can squeeze out a little more in the budget, I would go the refurb gc2 route.

                Sorry, I'm not much of a computer guy so I can't help you there. There are so many screen options available for pretty much any budget. You could always start with an "entry" level screen and use that for awhile to determine what you really want to get out of a screen (durability, image quality, etc).

                For the stance mat/hitting section, as you noted originally you could DIY your stance mat and buy an insert to "drop" in. Again, this is another big topic on the forum about the differences between stance mats/inserts. The most popular tend to be Divot Action, Truestrike, Fiberbuilt, etc. I started w/ Fiberbuilt and recently bought a DA insert and I'm very happy with that. The cost of the insert depends on the size you want. Check out each of their websites.

                Hope that helps a little. Let me know if you have any questions. Feel free to PM if you want.

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                • Kent
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2017
                  • 116

                  #12
                  It looks like you have received some good advice. If your budget is $5-9k, then your main decision is your launch monitor. I would go with a GC2, which is what I have. You can find them used as low as $3500 and the refurbished ones are $5400. I went with a refurb model and I don't see any reason to spend more on a new one. Once you make that decision you will need to decide on software. That decision will dictate the requirements for your computer. Slotted angle iron or an EMT frame are your two options for support for mounting your screen. Your short list of projectors should include the Optoma GT1080Darbee(I have this) and the BenQ HT2150ST. There are many directions you can go on hitting mats and screens and I would make your launch monitor and software decision first and go from there.

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                  • Mekongmike
                    Member
                    • Jan 2018
                    • 63

                    #13
                    Hello CW35 & Kent. Thanks for the "Welcome" and for your suggestions/advice...!

                    I like what you both said about squeezing a little more out of the budget for a Used or Refurbished GC2. If I could find a used one for, say, $3,500 then that would certainly free up cash for other items.

                    My greatest concern going into the search is that I make the right decisions regarding the quality of software and hardware. I just need to get into my head an itemized list of all components. I'll try that below.

                    I also need some advice on Screen Size, Hitting Distance from the Screen and Projector location. I'm guessing that these will be determined by my components and software.

                    As I have stated, my Room Dimensions are:

                    - 12' wide
                    - 10' high
                    - 19' long
                    - Concrete Floor
                    - Sheetrock Walls/Ceiling

                    * Screen Width: I'm thinking maybe 9' or 10' wide to provide me some room on the sides between the netting and the walls.

                    * Screen Height: Not sure. Seems like 8' or 9' would be ok.

                    * Hitting Distance: ???

                    Here's the list that I came up with. Please advise if I have missed something.

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                    * Launch Monitor - (GC2 - Used $3,500 - Refurb $5,400)

                    * PC / Software - (No clue at this time - are the courses with the software?)

                    * Projector - (Short or Long Throw? Is Overhead better? - Suggested: Optoma GT1080Darbee or BenQ HT2150ST)

                    * Impact Screen - (Slotted Angle Iron or EMT Frame?)

                    * Stance Mat/Hitting Section/Insert - (Divot Action seems good)

                    * Deck - (Rubber locking squares or 2x4 base with plywood and artificial turf - 2x4 better for an "Insert"?)

                    * Enclosure - (Can use netting on sides and overhead?)

                    * Artificial Turf - (on rest of Deck for appearance)

                    * Lighting -

                    =====

                    Man, I'm exhausted once again. Information overload.

                    Continued THANKS for additional advice....!

                    Mekongmike
                    Last edited by Mekongmike; 01-27-2018, 08:40 AM.

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                    • Mekongmike
                      Member
                      • Jan 2018
                      • 63

                      #14
                      I have been reading today on the GC2. Came across this PDF file that states room dimensions as follow. My room is not this large? Will I have to reconsider using the GC2?

                      Thanks,
                      Mekongmike

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                      • wbond
                        Ultimate Member
                        • Oct 2014
                        • 3489

                        #15
                        As long as you can swing a club you have room for a GC2. I think the unit sits about 18" or so away from the ball position. Others who have a GC2 can confirm that. It only takes pictures in the first few inches of flight to do the calculations.
                        Last edited by wbond; 01-29-2018, 03:24 PM.

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