New Protee TGC

[Lawyer]

Hello, I recently had a look at the Protee site and their new offer for $ 2.950,00. They give you the board with one vertical launch camera and TGC software. I also am following the discussion about Skytrak on this forum. By the way, I am a bit confused which simulator purchase, many say that soon will be available others new affordable products. Do you suggest me wait or go ahead with one of those the market now offers for my finances (Skytrak or Protee)? Does anyone has tryed the "new" Protee with TGC? Any opinions about it? What is the difference beetween this one and the more expensive "full" Protee simulator (about $ 5.000,00)? How precise/affordable these items are?
Thanks all

[drewpac]

the full protee comes with the putting sensor and a second camera I believe. the putting sensor separate is like $1400.

[Bubba22]

The ProTee a that price is great. If you want club and ball data look th ProTee and Skytrak.

[Lawyer]

Thanks for the answers guys, but can you please explain how important is to have a second camera (full Protee) for more affordable swing datas or is better buy a sistem like Skytrak (totally different as hardware)? Is better wait just a little bit hoping for some new affordable product, or chose one of the previous one? Who has tried the new Protee, which are the impressions?
Thanks

[Bubba22]

Lawler the new Protee is the original sensor board with just the launch angle cam. It doesn't include the horizontal angle cam. This is not a new product. The sensor pad works great. It does have horizontal sensors that can be used to get the ball direction however the horizontal camera is more accurate. Don't wait for a new affordable product.

[larrycb]

Bubba...so for purposes of swing data only how accurate is this Protee base model setup? The shadow technology of Protee works better than the p3pro technology? Thanks.

[Bubba22]

ProTee base model is very accurate. Much more accurate than P3Pro. ProTee is a shadow based sensor system. It also has a row of sensors for the ball data. With that bill señor you will get ball speed and horizontal azimuth. The vertical launch camera will give you launch angle. Spin is estimated from the club data. I can tell you that th ProTee sensor pad is very accurate!

[larrycb]

Thanks Bubba

[Brettster]

Lawler the new Protee is the original sensor board with just the launch angle cam. It doesn't include the horizontal angle cam. This is not a new product. The sensor pad works great. It does have horizontal sensors that can be used to get the ball direction however the horizontal camera is more accurate. Don't wait for a new affordable product.

How much additional money is the horizontal angle cam, and where is it mounted in the setup? How much more accuracy will there be with the addition of the horizontal angle cam?

[Lawyer]

I understand that Protee is very accurate, at this point I guess it is maybe better than the Skytrak. Thanks Bubba for the answer

[m3w]

Saying that Protee is better than Skytrak is like saying a walkman is better than streaming music to your iPhone.

[aja]

Saying that Protee is better than Skytrak is like saying a walkman is better than streaming music to your iPhone.

Nice analogy but a bit off the mark in my view.

In this case Skytrak has less to offer than ProTee which is a proven and developed product.

Support: ProTee support is excellent, Skytrak support is fragmented and not very highly regarded.

Sim availability: ProTee has long proven itself as a simulator. Now it is even more capable with the addition of the TGC sim platform. ProTee just released upgrades to their TGC platform which significantly improve TGC usability as a sim. Skytrak has promised simulation and is working to deliver it, but there is none currently available.

Technology: ProTee's sensor base is robust and is shadow based combined with high speed cameras to determine launch angle and direction. ProTee captures club head data and ball launch and direction angles, but estimates ball spin. Skytrak is photometric, or entirely camera based. Mind you, these are very good cameras compared to the ProTee cameras, and they are used to capture images of the golf ball just after launch and from that the software calculates the ball flight. Skytrak provides measurement of ball spin, and infers everything else from that.

PC or Apple: ProTee works with PCs, Skytrak works with certain Apple products.

Putting: ProTee can be used, even in base configuration to simulate putting. Skytrak is being tested with putting software which is not yet available.

I purchased ProTee alamost a year ago. It has performed very well for me. I have tested it against a Vector Pro (photometric pre-cursor to the Skytrak) and the results are comparable.

I haven't seen anything from Skytrak that would prompt me to consider it's purchase.

[m3w]

I actually wasn't meaning to bad mouth Protee. I think their customer support and product pricing/options are the gold standard of the industry. If they offered a new photometric launch monitor, I'd be the first to buy it! I just think that shadow-based mat sims are yesterdays technology. And no matter how accurate you can "tweak" them to be - they will never be as accurate as a polished photometric monitor. And yes, I know that Skytrak isn't "polished" yet. But they're inching closer everyday.

[Brettster]

And no matter how accurate you can "tweak" them to be - they will never be as accurate as a polished photometric monitor. And yes, I know that Skytrak isn't "polished" yet. But they're inching closer everyday.

Good point - so how long will it take for SkyTrak to be polished? Inching doesn't sound like much movement... especially when you consider ProTee integrated TGC in a period of months. How long will it take SkyGolf to get their systems up to the same level as Foresight/GC2?

I've said it before up here, and I'll say it again, as a technical manager and computer software engineer for going on 30 years, I think they need to take a long hard look at their candidates and make sure they are hiring coders with the skills/capabilities to pull this off. I've seen many BSEE's come into an organization that don't know how to code their way through anything, they know electrical circuits, but their computing logic is just not on the same level as a BSCS that has studied algorithms for 4 years.

It would be great to hear from someone at SkyGolf that they they have the right people to build these systems, and if they are not improving to find out why and look for the people that can do it properly. I wish them all the luck in the world, but they may need more than that ,at least if they want to get something out there that syncs every time, is completely accurate, and fully integrated with TGC sim software - because that's where the world is heading. I play on a GC2 sim locally, and am building out my own, and I know I'm going to need what TGC has to offer in playing all the latest courses (like Chambers Bay), and even building up my own local courses to play in the winter.

[Hoosierdaddy]

Saying that Protee is better than Skytrak is like saying a walkman is better than streaming music to your iPhone.

LOL. and here we go again.

M3w Dont make me sick Guido on your ugly arsh. You go around bad mouthing Protee and I will unleash the fleas of a 1000 camels on your arm pits. I am serious dude. Don't do it.

Walkman pffftt.

I mean really. You don't hear me going around and telling everyone about the goofy little redirect you have in your swing. Or how when you set up to putt you stick your tounge out. And I promise I will never tell anyone about the pink women's panties you wear especially on tournament day.

And don't try and wipe the stink off what you said by stating " I wasn't actually" Guido hates lier's

Last warning. Next time Guido come to visit.