Sand Wedge Sailing

[derekney]

I am having a problem with the simulated shot of the sand wedge. It is going an unreasonable distance sometimes: over 110 yards with a high shot shape. I know there is no way I can hit a sand wedge that far and high. A full swing on the range for me will go maybe 75 yards. When I get this super long shot, the shot stats are showing a club speed in the seventies which seems very high to me. I would expect a club-speed in the fifties for these shots.

What could cause a shot like this to go long. I am in practice mode, 70 yards from the green from fairway. I have sand wedge selected for my club. I am pretty sure my v-cam is now working well. Longer irons are going slightly shorter than I expect so it not like I tuned it up to go far. And I am pretty careful about not letting my shadow get on the sensor.

What software settings should I be looking at? How does it figure out the ball speed? Is it using the cameras (h-cam/v-cam) at all for that?

Just not sure how to debug this. It is not happening every time, but often enough to be a real problem.

[More Info: I tried selecting 9-iron instead of sand wedge in the clubs menu and it seems to "fix" this issue. My sand-wedge starts hitting consistent distances that I would expect. I am pretty sure the wedges get some extra processing and this must be what is messing it up. For now I guess I will just select 9-iron when I want to use my wedges--it seems to work much better then.]

[Maverick]

See beta section and use my recommended settings.

[psace]

You will have to lower your ball speed for the wedges. Many of us have had to do this to get more accurate wedge distances. Try lowering the ball speed gradually until you get the distances you normally get.

[Bubba22]

Derek, what is your sand wedge setting? Is it only happening at 70 yards from green and high shots? Ie if you hit s wedge off tee or laying up from well away from the green is it ok? What is your pitching distance set at?

[Maverick]

I didn't have time to explain earlier. The reason why the SW/LW will sail too far is because these clubs will tend to go underneath the ball and cross the ball track sensors before the ball. The ball track measures the ball speed. The SW/LW will be much faster than the ball. This usually happens with pitch and flop shots for a SW and sometimes full shots with a LW. Depends on the golfer and type of swing.

To fix this, use my recommended chipping(65) and pitching speed settings(85), but increase the pitching distance factor to 70 or higher. Experiment and find out what works for you.

Also, these settings don't work on the range, only during play or practice mode on the courses.

[Bubba22]

Exactly my thought Z.

[derekney]

I finally got some time to investigate more and try things. Thanks everyone's help.

I did change my settings to match the beta recommended ones, but I do not think that is my problem at this point.

I went into practice mode at Pebble Beach. I set up 90 yards from pin on hole #3.
I selected Sand Wedge and started hitting my wedge. I wanted to try tuning with the ball speed controls for each wedge. That worked pretty well and with a setting of Sand_wedge=90 I usually got a pretty normal distance for a well hit full sand wedge (65-70 yards for me).

But I noticed that sometimes I would get a 110 yard shot. And sometimes I would get that 3 times in a row. There is definitely something wrong. When I get a normal shot of 65-70 yards, my ball and club speed is the 45-55 mph range. But when I get this ridiculous 110 or more yard shot it is in the 90-110 mph range. I am being careful to not cast a shadow with my body on the sensor so that is not it.

Has anyone else seen this kind of behavior where the speed is off by a factor of two?

I am attaching two screen shots showing the shot analysis for a good result and the ridiculously far result. You can see the speeds which are radically different. I promise you I was NOT swinging the club twice as fast on the bad one.

I have seen the same behavior with my gap wedge and once with my pitching wedge. Not sure about other clubs since it is not quite as obvious with them.

[derekney]

I notice in my post that the settings are messed up with missing newlines. That was from the forum software. My settings to not actually have a problem like that. Sorry--not sure how else to post settings. I just copy/pasted.

[bubs3141]

I have seen this problem in the past also. not very frequent but at least once. I hit a 3 wood and it showed over 100 mph swing. I know I can't get my driver over 90+

[Maverick]

Settings look good. The only thing I can think of is the overhead light. Check the shadow of the club over the main sensor. Make sure it's one dark clean shadow and not have a faint double shadow.

[Bubba22]

Yes settings look good. Check the sensors for debris as well. Reload the interface. Is it only happening with high launched shots?

[derekney]

Thanks all for your comments. To answer some specific questions:

No, there is no debris on my sensors.
I do not have two shadows, just one nice and crisp one.

The problem is still happening. It seems I can reproduce it with some consistency by doing this:

Start Practice mode, chose Monterey Beach course.
Move ball position to 90 yards from first hole pin.
Choose Sand Wedge from Club menu
Hit normal sand wedge shot.
It almost always will sail 95 to 105 yards with a club speed in the 70's or above.

If I then hit some more sand wedges it will do the same for a few shots sometimes
and then more or less settle down to more normal shots and club speeds.
I am leaning towards this being a software bug or a hardware problem with my sensor mat
or maybe the peripheral interfaces.

I did try an experiment. Set things up with the step by step above but on my first
shot I went to the interface window and brought up the Debug window. I used my
sand wedge and captured the result. I went back to the Game and saw that I got a 98 yard
shot. I believe the club speed shown in the Debug window indicates a very fast speed
for a sand wedge (think it is in meters per second).

I have attached that screenshot. Do not know if it offers any clues to someone who knows
what it is all about.
-Thanks, Derek

[Maverick]

Derek,

Try this. Set pitching distance to the max(90 or 100), Pitching minimum LA to 35, then set Pitching_use_clubspeed=True

Test this only on a LW. Meaning only when the LW is selected in the game. You can still use a SW. Adjust the club speed for the LW until you get your normal distance.

Let me know. The above settings are only for Derek to try and not anybody else.

[derekney]

I will try this. Is this to just get more information, or do you think it is actually a solution? Just wondering why I am having this trouble if nobody else is.
-Thanks

[Maverick]

This might be a solution. Hard to know what's going on without remoting in or being there. Don't think its a bug since nobody else is having this issue.