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    Just when I thought I finally got this unit dialed in, again I am baffled. When I use the skytrak WHILE playing the golf club, regardless of wind elevation etc., my carry distances are spot on (Exactly as I would expect on the course). When I close out of TGC and go to skytrak alone (range or skill assessment) my carry distances with all my irons are 15 to 20 yards shorter. How is this possible if the skytak is what determines the ball flight on TGC? Please any insight or suggestions would be appreciated. I do play using USB if means anything

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    I noticed that as well - I now have TGC and JNPG. Looks to me like JNPG doesn't go as far as TGC. Basically all the skytrak unit does is grabs the numbers and feeds them to the software. What the software does w/those numbers is up to them. Lots of times I'm thinking I'm hitting the ball great on the skytrak range, just to see everything much shorter than I thought. After I warm up a bit - it looks correct to me.

    After posting this - just read a post from a guy who said his skytrak distances were way down running via usb. He changed to wifi and said it's all fixed....

    I have read hundreds of post renegading the issues people are having. Here is what I have done. I used to have an Optishot for 3 years and don't have any
    Last edited by JJ62; 11-28-2018, 05:16 AM. Reason: Just read a post about his - maybe will help....

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    • #3
      i will try that tonight. Thanks for the response, much appreciated

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      • #4
        Originally posted by JJ62
        I noticed that as well - I now have TGC and JNPG. Looks to me like JNPG doesn't go as far as TGC. Basically all the skytrak unit does is grabs the numbers and feeds them to the software. What the software does w/those numbers is up to them. Lots of times I'm thinking I'm hitting the ball great on the skytrak range, just to see everything much shorter than I thought. After I warm up a bit - it looks correct to me.

        After posting this - just read a post from a guy who said his skytrak distances were way down running via usb. He changed to wifi and said it's all fixed....

        https://golfsimulatorforum.com/forum...nces-need-help
        Skytrak distance issues due to WiFi vs Direct or USB just doesn’t make sense to me given how the hardware works and interacts with software. There has to be other factors.

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        • #5
          I’m seeing the same discrepancy too actually.

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          • #6
            Spoke with skytrak today about this issue. They told me what others have said, that TGC uses different algorithms. This all makes zero sense to me. The majority of us on this forum are serious golfers, don't know too many weekend hackers dropping 5 to 10 grand on a sim room. Although most guys believe they hit it farther than they actually do Im fairly confident I know my carry distance extremely well (due to game golf). My main issue is that TGC is right on point and skytrak is off, how can that be. As I expected skytrak blamed the mat im currently using (similar to CCE), but I get the same numbers off the tee with the irons. (BTW skytrak recommends the Pro Turf and claims all their tests are performed on this product). I will say, my backspin numbers are way too high with all my irons( for example >11,000 with 7 iron) and that probably is the reason the device is calculating lost yardage, but again it is perfect with TGC. FYI on game golf / course and on TGC my 7 iron distance is approximately 145-155 depending on contact, on skytrak 135 tops

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          • #7
            >11,000 spin with a 7 iron is definitely the issue. Have you tried different balls or a different placement of the unit itself to rule out any background issues in terms of the camera being able to read the ball correctly? Have you also tried putting the logo of the ball (or a distinctive line) facing the camera?

            Andy

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            • #8
              TBH I’ve stopped using the skytrak app for everything. I only hit on a TGC range. The app isn’t worth the frustration IMHo. It works great for some, but me. I miss the CTTH comps. But if we need to one we can just find a par 3 hole on TGC.

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              • #9
                Yes. I have tried 2, 3 and 4 piece balls, Low compression to high compression, matte vice to regular glossy.. Im kinda a ball nut, I have quite the collection. There is no question my dynamic loft is probably the issue, since others have used my unit with perfect results. Im just frustarted as to why TGC mimics my outdoor golf distances perfectly and skytrak does not. Honestly I agree with "triplebogeysrbetter" I guess ill just try a range on TGC... any range suggestions?

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                • triplebogeysrbetter
                  triplebogeysrbetter commented
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                  I seen your comment about changing the ball and yes I think that makes some difference, but I feel like the TGC reads the unit better. No matter which ball I'm using. I try to stay away from my wifes. :-)

                  I've tried several, but the best one I found Mthunt created.

                  Text search in TGC mthunt. The second or third entry down you will see a range.

                  You can't miss it. There is a huge red line running through the middle of it. I love it.

              • #10
                There is definitely variability between algorithms on different software. Also, when you hit a shot in TGC, take note of what the measured parameters are and then compare it to similar measured parameters in ST and then see what the difference is.

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                • #11
                  Have you tried moving the ball position relative to the red dot? It might be worth just trying moving the ball about an inch forward of the dot and see if your results change. If you're delivering a lot of dynamic loft then it may well be a launch angle issue rather than a spin rate one.

                  Andy

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                  • #12
                    Thanks all for the responses. I feel actually foolish, but I have found the issue. As I had mentioned in my 1st post, "Just when i thought I had the unit dialed in". I said that because there were days the skytrak was accurate but recently the distance and numbers were way off. Well AndyF was absolutely correct! Initially I was using low compression vice pro soft balls with the matte finish which I normally play as my gamer, but the matte finish was marking my screen. I was then hitting with random balls (zstar, Prov1x, etc) but got frustrated because the compression was way too high and felt like hitting rocks, so for the last week I was hitting my wifes balls low compression srixon pinks (please don't laugh). They felt great on the elbows when hitting a couple hundred balls, but apparently the skytrak gets confused with the dark pink and even darker blue srixon logo. Yesterday I bought a dozen bridgestone E6 soft white, placed the large B logo towards the skytrak camera and BINGO! All my distances are perfect and spin rates on the 7 came down from >11,000 to 7,000. I am still not clear as to why even with those jacked up spin rates on skytrak TGC was able to simulate my actual ball flight, but I am really pleased I revisited the ball issue. Thanks AndyF and to all those who took the time to post

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                    • #13
                      Glad you got it sorted in the end. Most distance issues that people report turn out to be something external to the Skytrak although there are the odd occasion as to when it can be a problem.

                      I have issues mainly with range balls in that depending on their condition the Skytrak can throw really random spin numbers out for them but if you know your 'normal' numbers then you can easily discount the shots that are obviously misread.

                      Andy

                      Edited to say it was also very difficult not to make a joke about you hitting your wifes balls
                      Last edited by AndyF; 11-30-2018, 02:51 PM.

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                      • triplebogeysrbetter
                        triplebogeysrbetter commented
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                        We know who wears the pants in the family. Trust me mine as well. :-)

                    • #14
                      Originally posted by triplebogeysrbetter View Post
                      TBH I’ve stopped using the skytrak app for everything. I only hit on a TGC range. The app isn’t worth the frustration IMHo. It works great for some, but me. I miss the CTTH comps. But if we need to one we can just find a par 3 hole on TGC.
                      I totally agree with this I spent so much time dialing in this machine on the skytrak app then going to play a round of simulation and seeing a drastic difference that left me confused and frustrated. Not sure why that happens but I swear there is a difference between the two. Once I decided to dial in the machine on the simulation driving range for whatever software I was using I have experienced much better results, I do not use the skytrak app at all either.

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                      • triplebogeysrbetter
                        triplebogeysrbetter commented
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                        Yup. Would love to use. Think there are some great tools, but the frustration isn't worth it.

                        The bag mapping and wedge matrix great ideas. The optimizer great starts, just the alignment and app need some work.
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