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  • Projector Aspect Ratio 16:10 vs 16:9

    I've been searching everywhere for answers surrounding the 16:10 versus 16:9 aspect ratio question, and after a home test setup, wanted to pass along my findings. I'm also not an A/V expert (although I'm learning) so this may be redundant for those more involved in setting these up. For reference, I'm using an Optoma ZH406ST 4k projector which is the commercial version of the the Optoma GT1090HDR and has the exact same specs.

    The Optoma projector comes in a 4:3 or 16:9 aspect ratio. That means that if you feed it an HDMI signal, it'll output one of those two options. But what if you want 16:10? That's where the settings on your computer come in. Changing your computer display settings from 1920 x 1080 (16:9) to a 1680 x 1050 (16:10) ratio output will give you a 16:10 screen size. While that answered my golf simulator question, it didn't answer the question of what happens if I switch between 16:10 and 16:9 for Xbox/movies/etc....?

    I set up the projector in a different room (simulator isn't finished yet) and started testing scenarios. Picture #1 is the computer at a 1920 x 1080 resolution (16:9) with blue tape on the corners for reference, Picture #2 is an XBox using its native resolution of 16:9 and Picture #3 is the computer modified to show 1680 x 1050 (16:10). As you can see, moving to 16:10 makes the change by pulling in the width as the third image is pulled in from the tape. If you wanted to move from using your simulator on your PC at a 16:10 ratio to a Blu-Ray player with a 16:9 ratio for the same screen width, it'd require physically sliding the projector to adjust. This has inclined me to take a slightly lower image height on 16:9 in order to keep the room friendly to everything else the family plans on using it for.

    Final note....my understanding is that TGC2019 supports 16:10 resolution (it should if the computer outputs it) but that'd be the last piece of the puzzle. Let me know below if you found this helpful or if I'm the only one who was looking for clarity on this question. Thanks! Click image for larger version

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  • #2
    Hi there,

    I am looking to buy the GT1090HDR. My sim screen is going to be a 16:10 aspect ration. After reading your post it appears that if I set the projector to auto and tell my computer to display in 1680x1050 (16:10) the projector will accept that image and display it correct? Did you notice any quality issues going to 16:10 since the projector specs do not list 16:10 as an option for this projector? Any help would be much appreciated.

    Thank you.

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    • #3
      I suppose for someone less savvy. Does a 16:10 ratio look just as crisp (and is in theory) as a 16:9 ratio? If the projector supports it, if the screen surface area were exactly the same with those resolutions would one be any better than the other? No right?

      Reason I ask is I would love to have a 16:9, but only have 14.5 feet of width. So I am thinking of going 14 feet wide screen, but do not want any lower than 9 feet in height. It sounds like going 14x9 would be close enough to 16:10 without sacrificing quality?

      Only issue is this is close, but not exact 16:10 ration screen size so I would have very thin slits of white screen on both ends.

      TIA!

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      • #4
        Same resolution depends on projectors native resolution really. A Full HD 1080p @ 16:9 and a WUXGA Projector @16:10 would have the exact same number of pixels per square inch, it would just include more vertical lines.

        If you are talking about taking a 16:9 native projector and projecting at 16:10 it will depend on how (or where - i.e. on the GPU or by the projector) it is accomplished. If you do it on the GPU you should not really notice much of a difference IMO
        Last edited by jasonreg; 02-08-2022, 04:51 PM.

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        • #5
          So for a 14x9 impact premium screen if I really want to have a beautiful picture I should find a 4K 16:10 ratio projector? Any quick recommendations? Mine does not need to be short throw. I just really want that 16:10 for the extra foot of height.

          Money matters, but I'd be willing to spend let's say up to 2.5K. What would you do??

          TIA!!

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          • #6
            Maybe 1080p versus actual 4K is hardly noticeable. I need to do a little more research.

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            • #7
              4K is definitely noticeable. If you have the budget this is definitely the way to go. Then you would decide on the maximum picture size you want (or can have and decide which aspect ration best fits that space. Then take that info to a site like Projectors, Projector Reviews, LCD Projectors, Home Theater DLP Projectors at ProjectorCentral.com and start your search from there with other aspects like laser or not, lumens etc. Be careful though about not needing a short throw projector. You definitely do not "Ultra Short Throw" but a normal projector will be a challenge to use in a sim without casting shadows.....

              my 2 cents.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by claud_face View Post
                So for a 14x9 impact premium screen if I really want to have a beautiful picture I should find a 4K 16:10 ratio projector? Any quick recommendations? Mine does not need to be short throw. I just really want that 16:10 for the extra foot of height.

                Money matters, but I'd be willing to spend let's say up to 2.5K. What would you do??

                TIA!!
                Don't worry about aspect ratio, as long as you're using a good PC with an appropriate Nvidia graphics card. 4K projector will look significantly better at 14x9 (zero pixellation, especially noticeable on text in HD at that size). Keep in mind your computer will cost about $1K more for an appropriate 4K-capable graphics card (recommend at least a RTX 2080 Super or faster). You can adjust aspect ratio on the PC to perfectly match whatever your screen size is (you'll position projector for its max vertical pixels, then adjust horizontal pixels to fit).

                At the high end of 4K projectors which are good for golf (meaning have an appropriate throw ratio), the $4500 BenQ LK936ST Laser Projector with 5,100 lumens is awesome. At the low end, the $1,699 TK700STi with 3,000 lumens is pretty darn good - here's a video we took of it in a 16x9' studio: https://youtu.be/yqbzCeNNTA4. We have only one TK in stock currently: https://store.gunghogolf.com/BenQ-TK...tor-p382280820. Make sure the throw length of it works in your space (there are some diagrams to help with placement to avoid shadows on that product page).

                There are no 16:10 4K projectors to my knowledge, and if there are, they're probably not appropriate for a golf studio. But like I said, aspect ratio can easily be customized in the PC. Just make your screen the biggest it can be for the room (up to 16x9 or 10').

                Call us if you have any questions, happy to help!
                - Ron at GunghoGolf.com - we specialize in TrackMan, FlightScope, Foresight, Uneekor, SkyTrak, Garmin, Bushnell, TGC, and E6 Connect. 512-861-4151 or email hello AT gunghogolf.com.

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                • #9
                  So based on my garage ceiling being 10 feet 9 inches it sounds like I should go with a 14 foot wide (widest I can make work) and 9.5 foot high impact screen correct? Not 14x8 to stay truer to 16:9? Essentially going back to what many have asked. It is best to fill up the space best you can versus matching 16:9.

                  Tx!

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                  • #10
                    Sorry to side track, but anyone know a solid PC (or laptop) solution that would have enough graphics and processor speed, etc.. for the TK700STi running TGC 2019 at 4K? Just a easy reliable option without customizing, etc... Ron, I need to check if you sell any. Didn't get that far yet. If you do great.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by claud_face View Post
                      Sorry to side track, but anyone know a solid PC (or laptop) solution that would have enough graphics and processor speed, etc.. for the TK700STi running TGC 2019 at 4K? Just a easy reliable option without customizing, etc... Ron, I need to check if you sell any. Didn't get that far yet. If you do great.
                      We don't sell computers. Any Windows gaming PC with an RTX 2080 Super (or better) graphics card will work great for 4K golf sim software. I'd stick with Intel CPUs, doesn't matter which one, and 16GB of RAM. You can compare any card to the 2080 Super here, like for this comparison against the RTX 3060 (not recommended): https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compar...per/4105vs4050.
                      - Ron at GunghoGolf.com - we specialize in TrackMan, FlightScope, Foresight, Uneekor, SkyTrak, Garmin, Bushnell, TGC, and E6 Connect. 512-861-4151 or email hello AT gunghogolf.com.

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                      • #12
                        So the 3060 is not recommended. Thought that was a pretty good one. I've seen 3070, 3060TI, 3070ti. Any of those work? Stick with the Ti?

                        Based on what you wrote I think you mean the 3080? Not sure if that had TI version or not, but sounds like graphic wise I should be looking at nearly the best there is at this point then. Or darn close to it.

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                        • #13
                          Hey Ron/community

                          Do you think this would be adequate? I really just don't want issues with under performing PC.



                          Thank you!

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                          • #14
                            I'm building a dedicated room for my sim in the attic bonus room, size is either 12x9 at 4:3 or roughly 13.5 x 8 at 16:9. The ceiling is vaulted so that's why the width varies with height. Might have to do 16:10 to find the sweet spot, any insight or recommendations? Until I figure out screen size I'm not sure I want to choose a projector. I was decided on Optoma ZH406ST HDR laser 1080P, but it's not cheap at $1900, like others wondering if a BenQ 4K makes more sense if I'm using it as a home theatre screen as well. Will be running TPC with sufficient graphics card depending on the projector. This is my first sim, i would rather do the setup one time and be completely happy rather than updating after an error or disappointment. I was leaning towards Skytrak but I have another $3K or so to play with if that moves the needle towards a GC2 or Mevo? So many opinions its hard to know where to go for unbiased guidance....thanks.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by claud_face View Post
                              Bump. Same question.

                              Is consensus that 3060 isn't enough for 4k? is 3070 enough?

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                              • Dawso_
                                Dawso_ commented
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                                It's the last two numbers that make the difference. ie the 60 vs 80. A nn80 is much more powerful than a nn60 card. Refer to Ron's post above with the comparison. Hence why Ron recommended a minimum 2080s (super)

                                The first 2 numbers are the generation or release of the card. eg they have gone from 1080 to 2080 to 3080 over recent releases/generations.
                                So a 2080 and 3080 are similar-ish... (obviously the 3080 will be better as it's a newer and improved model).

                                You then have extra models like 'super' or 'Ti'. These are higher spec version of the card. eg a 2080s (super) is better than a 'normal' 2080. And a 2080Ti is even more powerful again.

                                So for the PC that you linked above it has a 3080 card in it. Which is plenty good enough for 4K with the right projector. And is way more than the 2080s that Ron originally recommended as minimum. Refer: https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compar...per/4080vs4050
                                Hence a 2060 or a 3060 is generally not going to be good enough for 4K - even though it's a 30nn which means newer model, you need a nn80 to have the power for 4K.

                                Hope that makes sense...???

                                Also be aware that a mobile card will be less than the equivalent desktop card, ie a '2080s mobile' is less powerful than a '2080s super' by 16% - per below link.
                                Last edited by Dawso_; 03-14-2022, 12:48 AM.
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