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  • Mevo+ - Love Hardware but Not Software (for practice)

    This may end up being fairly long as I think it documents some of the shortcomings (at least in my view) of the various software for folks considering the device and I'm hoping some of you that seem to have direct contact with Flightscope may have some luck passing on feedback if you agree. I'll admit that with two young kids and only an hour at a time it's possible I just haven't figured these software options out fully yet but I've played around with each enough I should have stumbled on most of the settings.

    A bit of background:
    - This is not a gripe about playing sim rounds, I think it's great a small E6 subscription was included but I'm talking about as a pure practice device
    - I had a SkyTrak for 2 years and I am not missing anything hardware related at all, Mevo+ setup is miles easier and more accurate (my setup is non-permanent), and my data is good except the occasional very low spin shot that is an obvious misread
    - I have an iPhone 11 and a good gaming laptop, previously I ran SkyTrak app on my gaming laptop viewing on the built in screen. I borrowed an iPad to test a few things but don't own one.
    - While I felt there was some hardware limitations with SkyTrak I felt their driving range app was great for a consumer device. I find even a combination of all my Mevo+ options aren't living up to that one app.
    - I will buy one of a new iPad or a decent sized TV to put near my hitting area if I find the right fit of the available apps. The iPhone screen is too small except at the range.

    TGC 2019
    - I think it's great sim software but I've never felt it was a great driving range
    - As a plus it runs on my laptop so the screen size is decent
    - But it lacks a user friendly way to look at groups of shots, dispersion analysis, randomized targets etc. Admittedly I haven't tried to record data and export but I'd like something I can do during the session not just after on my computer.
    - I can be convinced otherwise but so far I see the range features here as more of a warmup tool before a round than a practice setup (that could change if the calculated club data is improved which I think I read was being worked on).

    E6 Connect
    - I haven't played with the sim software yet but I'm sure it does a fine job
    - It's IOS only so I'm stuck on an iPhone which has a tiny display, I couldn't test this on the iPad as the license was linked to my phone but I'm not sure how much of an improvement the iPad screen would be
    - The driving range has a popup of each shot with parameters but once that disappears the ones left at the top of the screen are only a subset. I don't want to have to analyze every shot in the after shot screen in detail but some key parameters I am focusing on aren't on the static always on screen.
    - This feels similar to TGC in that its a fine warmup tool but not a practice tool

    FS Golf
    - I generally like the down the range view with the data parameters off to the side. However given it's an iPhone app the screen is small and I can't get all the key parameters on the screen at once. I'd like to not have to scroll around after each shot to see all the data as I prefer to glance at the device then hit another shot not pick it up and study it.
    - The app does not appear to be native in iPad so using a bigger screen iPad simply zooms the iPhone version which means it's a bit bigger but there is no more information on the screen.
    - This app is a bit more customizable in ordering the parameters so I can get most of those I want on the screen which is nice. If I use the simple view with just lines on a white background I can get all the parameters I want on the screen in portrait mode. You can't see the shot shape super well on the small screen but this is functional.
    - This app lacks any sort of targets.
    - The app in general feels like it's meant to be used outside when you see the ball flight and just want the numbers. I've used Trackman this way and it makes total sense but moving in to the consumer market with a lot of folks inside this app feels like it's not quite the right fit.
    - I'm currently spending 90% of my time in this app but missing targets and wishing I had it on a bigger screen (but better using the bigger screen not just making everything bigger).

    FS Skills
    - Allows addition of targets but requires a fair bit of pre-setup. The randomizer function in SkyTrak is perfect in that you set a range of distances and it just cycles through shots. I haven't found a quick way to create this in FS Skills aside from making a huge list of targets myself then putting them on random order. Functional I suppose but not as easy to narrow down what you want to work on without a bunch of different setups.
    - The data parameters at the bottom don't all fit on the screen so require scrolling which is annoying as I have to go pick up the phone after every shot. It also doesn't appear to be customizable to get the key ones on the screen and the less interesting ones hidden. I don't think all I want would fit on the screen at once but the default isn't setup to my liking.
    - This does appear to be a native iPad app which means it fits the screen a bit better but it still lacks customization to make it show what you want.
    - I don't think this is gathering data in a way that can be analyzed if you just setup a wide open drive then hit a bunch of shots (i.e., replace FS Golf with FS Skills as a pure driving range).

    The current state seems disjointed in that I'm compromising pretty basic features no matter what I choose. I have four different sets of software and none really do what I want super well. It would be nice to have one app that could:

    - Be customizable to get the key data parameters all on the screen at once (key parameters will differ by person) and still see a ball flight model somewhat visually appealing.
    - Allow for targets to be used or not with a random feature without having to build "tests" but still allowing "tests" for when they are wanted.
    - Proper export and summary of data into Excel (this may be coming once Myflightscope starts working).
    - Have a PC and IOS (and Android even thought that doesn't impact me) version that looks/feels basically the same.
    - It's an unfair way of saying it but I want to use my Mevo+ in the SkyTrak app. I would give Flightscope a pass as it's early days for Mevo+ but they have other high end launch monitors that aren't new so this is really more of a choice (or not seeing that a mainstream consumer market may have different needs than the high end pro that uses it for fitting or outside on the range).

    I'm not sure how to proceed to make me enjoy the software as much as the hardware:

    - Using just my iPhone with FS Golf or FS Skills is going to drive me insane except when I occasionally go to an outdoor driving range.
    - I could buy a TV and still run off my iPhone mirrored to a tv but this way I still can't get more or different information on the screen.
    - I could buy an iPad to get slightly bigger screen but then I'm hoping FS Golf gets a native app that is formatted better (there should be room on an iPad screen to show a ball flight model and all the key numbers).
    - I could use my laptop but then I'm stuck with TGC as my only option for a range (or buying extra E6 subscription which to me also isn't the best range).
    - None of the solutions seem great so I'm stuck as I don't want to spend a bunch of money on a tv or iPad and still feel like I have an incomplete solution.

    I'm curious how others are finding the software options and whether you've just attached to one for practice or jump around between them depending what you are doing. To me they all feel half cooked at the moment and I miss the SkyTrak app.

  • #2
    Good write up. There is a lot I agree with. Apps need work.
    You can download the E6 demo for laptop and use it. It’s free. It comes with one course and several driving ranges and you can offset the target if need be if your set up is like that. I tried putting FS skills projected to my screen from my iPad Pro but my sim is about 1ft offset and you can’t offset the app so it was very annoying as your eyes went to the left of your hitting area.
    They need to make the FS and FS skills for PC like they do for there other products.
    Scrolling the data is very annoying like you said. There are more data points then ST so they will need to find a way to make it fit in the screen though.
    I have not tried, (since I sent mine back) but since the Mevo+ produces it own wifi can you hook two IOS devices to it and you could have different data screens open on each device? I’m sure you can’t but just a thought.

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    • Gresh12
      Gresh12 commented
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      I had thought the demo of E6 was just one month so I held off doing it. If it’s permanent then I’ll give that a try. Not sure if it’s better than TGC but I can try.

      I had the same thought about using two devices as I was typing up my summary. I’m going to try it tonight. My gut is it won’t work but it would also be great for those that use the video feature as putting your phone on a tripod to film also makes it a pain to review data unless you’re also projecting on to a screen.

    • GungHoGolf
      GungHoGolf commented
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      Mevo+ will connect to only one device at a time.

    • Gresh12
      Gresh12 commented
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      I tried two devices last night as well. Second one simply says no device even though both have “connected” to the radar.

  • #3
    yes, I think E6 demo is 30 days. Let me know about the two devices. Would be handy if it works.

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    • #4
      Fantastic write up! Completely agree with the native FS software vs. SkyTrak's; ST is years ahead in regards to user friendliness and usability w/o fussing around too much.
      I would add, albeit nitpicking, the included Mevo+ charging cable is absurdly short, it's basically unusable if you want to plug directly into a wall outlet. And if you want to use a longer 'after market' cable, it could potentially void the warranty, another absurdity.
      Aside from this minor hardware gripe, the Mevo+ unit itself has been great in detecting shots (putting is unusable until the .09 firmware). I haven't had one 'no-read' yet in the couple of days I've had the unit.
      Curiously, I had my wife (righty) hit some chip shots during one of my (lefty) practice session in the TGC2019 range without switching profiles. Mevo+ picked up all shots w/o any issues, the screen would still show the left handed club graphics but the ball data were spot on. The only reason I even looked at the Mevo+ is for this purpose, not having to move the LM back and forth if both righties and lefties are playing. This alone was worth it for me to make the switch.
      I will certainly miss the SkyTrak software for both PC/iOS, hoping FS will do better in this arena in the future. But looking forward to the ease of playing some sim golf with the Mevo+ with my weirdo friends hitting from the wrong side :P

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      • #5
        I'm exclusively using E6 connect at this point. As a former SkyTrak user, I love the reaction of skip, skip, spin on the greens. I always found the way the ball spun on SkyTrak's greens to be absurd. The spin model (with decay) seems better too. I used to hit these rope hooks I'd never see IRL--m+ shows a much more realistic ball flight.

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        • #6
          Wonder why this guy got a long USB cable?
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          • Aapo
            Aapo commented
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            I watched that video too. The battery in mevo+ is just a standard 18650 type battery that costs 10$ and the charger is just a standard micro usb. I have no idea why they give us that short cable and don't allow other charging cables... I hope they will clear this out at some point.

        • #7
          Totally agree, many people are using it in a simulator setting and having iOS apps with limited ability to control screen resolutions through a projector is a big let down. As mentioned if they could provide PC versions of the software, so people could leverage their gaming PCs and manage the projector resolutions would really be a HUGE improvement.

          Probably worth sending this thread link to FlightScope support so they can get feedback from the simulator community. Hoping this is all resolved before my preorder arrives

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          • #8
            To add some more information, I'm also finding the data between apps seems to vary (obviously I can't get data in two at once) so my test is:
            - 50 shots with 7 iron on each software
            - premium ball with dot
            - selected appropriate club in FS Golf, E6 and "iron" in FS Skills
            - For FS Golf and FS Skills Mevo+ wasn't moved, for E6 I had charged in house but did alignment again
            - No deleted shots in the 50 (I exclude one from FS Skills numbers described below because it was crazy)
            - I will do the same test in TGC tomorrow
            - I'm a 5 handicap if that matters
            FS Golf FS Skills E6
            Avg Ball Speed 115 117 119
            Ball Speed Range 110-122 105-126 107-133
            Avg V Launch 18.3 21.0 20.0
            V Launch Range 11.1-25 20-22.9 10-28.3
            Avg Spin 6100 6100 6500
            Spin Range 4800-8100 1400-8000 4300-8200
            Avg H Launch 1.2R 2.0R 2.2R
            H Launch Range 3.9L-6.8R 2.8L-8.0R 2.4L-7.5R
            Axis Avg 1.9R 4.5R 4.8R
            Axis Range 10.7L-13.8R 8.7L-15.7R 1.9L-12.1R
            Avg Club Speed 91 93 92


            FS Golf - The two shots that had spin under 5k felt a bit low for the strike but overall nothing shocked me based on feel for any other shots

            FS Skills
            - There was one shot with 161 ball speed and 48* vertical launch that is excluded, the shot was a pure skull and obvious misread
            - The launch angle seems way off in this app, 29 of the 50 shots launched at exactly 20.7* and none were below 20*, barely any were above 20* in FS Golf and I'm used to about 18* on SkyTrak/Trackman
            - There were 5 shots that had less than 4k spin and all were average strikes or better
            - Despite the weird launch numbers the balls actually don't end up miles off of where I feel they would when I hit them

            E6
            - Ball speed seems a bit skewed high, had a few in the 130s which I don't see with 7 iron (I top out about 125 usually)
            - There was 9 shots at exactly 28.3* launch angle which were not hitting high on my net, this appears to be some sort of default value, the average drops to 18.1* if these are removed, but there were no shots that launched between 11* and 18* which seems unlikely
            - Some of the very high spins and low spins felt like average or better strikes and the spin value surprised me
            - It may have been me but I really struggled to get left spin (I was looking at shot shape not the word in E6 that's glitchy)
            - A lot of shots had at least one parameter where the value seemed a bit weird, it didn't seem to have a ton of total misreads but very frequently one value seemed unlikely

            I have no idea what could drive these differences but my "gut feel" that FS Skills and E6 were producing weird results was confirmed and actually it's worse than I had thought as the display having most of ball parameters off the screen meant I only looked at them when the outcome of the shot seemed off before today.

            I will update when I get TGC shots done.
            Last edited by Gresh12; 03-29-2020, 06:15 AM. Reason: Added E6 data

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            • Gresh12
              Gresh12 commented
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              I have no idea if different apps do things differently it’s why I posted to see if others are seeing weird.

              But I do think the raw data points to something. The averages may not be miles out but how in one app I can hit 50 shots where 90% launch below 20* then switch apps without doing anything to the environment and have 100% launch above 20* (including many that were low on my net) is almost statistically impossible.

              Then moving to the next app 9 shots launched at 28.3* when zero out of the prior 100 shots were within 3* of this either points to no reads in the other two apps default differently than E6 or its getting different data.

              The raw data does not look like random fluctuations at all but I agree I would think all apps would get the same input which is why I’m flagging it as weird.

            • Gresh12
              Gresh12 commented
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              Ok I figured out the issue and it was "human error" but not the type that I think was implied.

              My Mevo+ sits a about 1.5" below my mat. I had set the tee height in FS Golf and I was sure I had set it in FS Skills but when I noticed today it was sitting at zero in the app. As soon as I fixed this the data immediately corrected across the board and no more weird values at all.

              This got me thinking that I didn't recall setting it for E6 or TGC2019 and upon further review I couldn't find this setting in either software (just the distance from device to ball which I had set). I found something pretty close to my mat height and put my Mevo+ on that and hit a bunch of balls in both E6 and TGC2019 with zero weird values here either.

            • pwade3
              pwade3 commented
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              Glad you got it figured out Gresh. Well done.

          • #9
            I had mentioned this before and I have had it happen to me a lot. That 28.3 is some sort of a default number. It’s not possible to hit 8 shots in a row at 28.3 exactly, yet that is what happened to us. Possibly if it does not get a good read it defaults to that. I had someone hit their driver and all launch angles were 28.3, so if you included those in your data, then maybe the average numbers are off. You would think measured data between apps would be fine, just when you get to calculated data an issue could arise.

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