short chipping success.....sort of.

[keither5150]

At first I was rather disappointed in the short game of the Mevo +. At times, short chips would be picked up perfectly. Other times, speed, LA and HA are all off, and sometimes by a lot. I am pretty sure that I never chip with 60 degrees LA. So I started thinking. If the unit can pick up some shots perfectly....why not all? I did some testing today as I am waiting for a part for my GSA sim. I was trying to pinpoint what is happening when the shots are picked up correctly verses the misreads. I have came to the conclusion that for proper ball readings, you need to keep your follow through low. I naturally don't do that. So when playing with the Mevo+, I need to pay attention to my swing. So the system must be picking up the club head as the ball when following through high. So my testing was rather crude..... see how many short chips ( 3-6 yard carry) I can make in a row before I get a misread. I was vigilant in keeping the club head low on the follow through. Well, I stopped at 20 chips in a row. All 20 chips reacted as I expected that they would. Now for the high follow through. Well, I had 9 in a row that had LA of 40-60. Speed was also not consistent on these shots. HA was really off on about 1/3 of the high follow through shots. Even spin was off for one or two shots....I am pretty sure that a 22 mph chip won't be able to get 7500 rpms of back spin.

I apologize if this has been mentioned before. I have not read all that there is regarding the Mevo+

Overall, I am very impressed with the Mevo+. Full shots have the shape that I expect. Distance, LA , and HA are all believable. For the money, the unit performs really well. I didn't expect the short game and putting to match my GSA sim. A ceiling mounted system with stereo cams has a big advantage when it comes to putting and chipping. After seeing the light .....about the low follow throughs...... I would say that the Mevo+'s short chipping is somewhat acceptable.... You currently will not have all of your creativity at your disposal....but if you pay attention, you should get most of those short chips within gimme range.

Hopefully, this is something that Flightscope can address in future updates.....after all, this is a new system. Is this a simple fix?....not too sure as I don't know much about the workings of the radar units.

Once I get my stereo system up and running again, I will post a side by side video

[Dax]

keither5150 if I recall you are a righty. Have you tried to set the ball up on the left side of the hitting area for which the Mevo+ can read? I found this drastically improved my readings in my old TM3e

[keither5150]

Dax Yeah, I will try that. At least now it is playable. For short chips, I basically have to chip a certain way.....to get decent results. By moving the ball to the right, I was able to get some chips to read as short as 2 yard carry.....which is pretty good. I just need to figure it out. Maybe some reading on radar systems will help. I am really impressed with spin detection on full shots.

[jermerqua]

I just got my Mevo+ and so far I've been super impressed after a bit of tweaking based on all the great advice from forums and videos. Short chipping is my biggest jam right now. So when you all say move the ball 'left of the hitting area' is that to say left of the camera alignment line?

[Dax]

jermerqua I mean to the left of the target line. From my understanding the Mevo plus needs to be centred behind your target line and thus I am stating to the left of this line. This was what I found made a big difference in my old TM3e for picking up almost all chips together with much higher degree of reading club head information. On the TM I could put the ball about 8 inches left of target line at about 8 feet or so for the unit. I believe the Mevo might not as big a hitting area, but I mentioned this here in hopes that it might provide some ideas for those using radar based units and are having some wedge trouble.

[tonybrown32]

Question... do you have your Mevo+ running off battery or plugged into an outlet via extension cord?

[keither5150]

battery..... I charge it each time.

[keither5150]

I may have spoken too soon..... back to crazy LA..... on a lot of chips.....target is 10 yards, so I am trying a 4 yard carry with spin of 1500-2000

[tonybrown32]

battery..... I charge it each time.

Ok.. I have some moderate interference when plugged in, so curious of that may be a factor..

[keither5150]

Yes, I downloaded that Flightscope tool...... I have interference with a batter pack.....still in the yellow though. On it's own battery, I have no interference.
But still crazy LA...... I will try different ball placement next. I am not too worried. I bought the Mevo+ to do side by side testing for spin. On full shots, spin detection seems really good. So what is happening...... every time that I follow through high....I get bad results on short chips. When a follow through low....results are better. I think that FS really needs to narrow the AOI ( area of interest) or scan area on short chipping. The unit should be seeing the arc of the swing....so it should be able to disregard anything that is close to that.. Maybe start the detection a few ms later, so that the club is out of the way of the ball. IMO, slow shots in general need a longer detection period. GSA has really accurate putting because they have increased their detection time by 6 times compared to a normal shot. This allows GSA to detect a speed difference between two putts when one rolls 4 inches farther than the other. Hopefully there are some smart guys over at Flightscope. I know that they have some control over the detection...... Just try to take a 5 yard chip when you are 40 yards out.....it won't read..... On slow chips, maybe they need to start detection half way to the screen..... You don't need much for speed, LA , and HA.

[tinker812]

agree - there must be some club head vs. ball movement confusion with the mevo. i too have more success limiting follow through on short chips, particularly with soft lob wedges. i also try to chip with a lower loft whenever possible, as mevo seems to pick up those chips more reliably. putting works best when i keep the putter very low - making sure to brush the turf on backswing and follow through, presumably for the same reasons as chipping.

still tons of value with the mevo, even with mediocre short chips and putting...even with the best launch monitor/simulator - GCQ or whatever - chipping and putting on a flat surface and into a screen 8-12 ft away is not much like real life...

[keither5150]

I also agree that the Mevo+ is a great value. I would disagree about chipping and putting on other sims though. I find that the GC2 and GCQ are excellent for short chips. Their putting HA is not quite as good as my GSA system. I have not tested their putting speed......Maybe another user could test the GCQ and GC2 for putting speed accuracy. My test is simple. Take two putts at about 7 or 8 feet distance. If one putt is 4 inches shorter than the other.....did the sim measured that speed decrease? If it can, putting is as perfect as it's going to get. For the money, the Mevo+ is a great value. It is also a new product, so there may be software improvements down the road that will help with the short game accuracy. Overall I am impressed with the Mevo+

[tinker812]

just meant that very short chipping or putting on a flat surface from a perfect lie into a screen that is 10 feet ahead is not terribly realistic, no matter what launch monitor one is using. not that the foresight is inaccurate - i'm assuming it is very accurate.

[keither5150]

I would score lower if I brought my fiberbuilt mat to the outdoor course. A perfect lie helps a lot.

[Dax]

@leomode has done some great testing on the QUAD and GC2 for putting. Results are on his webpage. I think the issue with chipping with the Mevo is the club head speed likely is very close to that of the ball speed and thus it is difficult for Mevo to recognize the ball. Another thing to try on your short chips is to hit with a ball without the sticker and see if that helps any. For TM I use two colours of golfball (yellow and white). I am not sure it makes much difference, but heard that it could and so I do. The yellow ball is for short chips and putting and does not have the metallic sticker and my white ones are for everything else and have the sticker.

[keither5150]

Thanks Dax, I will give that a try.

[keither5150]

So I was reading what tinker said above....about brushing the club and short follow through. I tried it with a 52 wedge....I had much better results. Then I went to putting. For my room, I have figured out putting. I can putt as short as 5 footers if........... wait for it........ I shorten my follow through to almost nothing...and ground the club ASAP. Now, this putting stroke nowhere resembles my normal putting stroke..... So this is another case of the club head messing with the detection..... On the bright side.....until they fix the issue....if they can. I can modify my stroke to make the short game playable. This short follow through technique actually works better for short putts than short chips.

[tinker812]

almost feels like trying to beat a video game rather than play golf with these short shots...15 yds and out, it is quite realistic though...

[keither5150]

I agree. I don't like having to adjust my swing just to get accurate results..... But we have to remember that this is a new product. Hopefully, they improve on it. Like you said, 15 yard and out, it is really good. My GSA sim calculates spin but is quite realistic with its short game.

[Carlocucs]

At first I was rather disappointed in the short game of the Mevo +. At times, short chips would be picked up perfectly. Other times, speed, LA and HA are all off, and sometimes by a lot. I am pretty sure that I never chip with 60 degrees LA. So I started thinking. If the unit can pick up some shots perfectly....why not all? I did some testing today as I am waiting for a part for my GSA sim. I was trying to pinpoint what is happening when the shots are picked up correctly verses the misreads. I have came to the conclusion that for proper ball readings, you need to keep your follow through low. I naturally don't do that. So when playing with the Mevo+, I need to pay attention to my swing. So the system must be picking up the club head as the ball when following through high. So my testing was rather crude..... see how many short chips ( 3-6 yard carry) I can make in a row before I get a misread. I was vigilant in keeping the club head low on the follow through. Well, I stopped at 20 chips in a row. All 20 chips reacted as I expected that they would. Now for the high follow through. Well, I had 9 in a row that had LA of 40-60. Speed was also not consistent on these shots. HA was really off on about 1/3 of the high follow through shots. Even spin was off for one or two shots....I am pretty sure that a 22 mph chip won't be able to get 7500 rpms of back spin.

I apologize if this has been mentioned before. I have not read all that there is regarding the Mevo+

Overall, I am very impressed with the Mevo+. Full shots have the shape that I expect. Distance, LA , and HA are all believable. For the money, the unit performs really well. I didn't expect the short game and putting to match my GSA sim. A ceiling mounted system with stereo cams has a big advantage when it comes to putting and chipping. After seeing the light .....about the low follow throughs...... I would say that the Mevo+'s short chipping is somewhat acceptable.... You currently will not have all of your creativity at your disposal....but if you pay attention, you should get most of those short chips within gimme range.

Hopefully, this is something that Flightscope can address in future updates.....after all, this is a new system. Is this a simple fix?....not too sure as I don't know much about the workings of the radar units.

Once I get my stereo system up and running again, I will post a side by side video

I too have the same exact issues. YES the radar does occasionally pickup the clubhead. YEs I too make sure my follow through is low. Little nuances IMO, but in reality, you got a simulator to work on your driver and irons. To me chipping cannot be worked on indoors because you need to see and feel the shot you are making. but it does help when knowing your distances of 40-50-60-70 yards. I am with you, I hope there is an update to fix this.

only other issue I am having is I am losing connection to e6 Connect on my iPAD and a reboot of the mevo is required so that it reconnects.

[keither5150]

I can't really speak of connection issues. I am using it with my PC....so it never disconnects. I will have to disagree with you about working on your short game. This is where you are going to drop strokes. We all need to nail down that 50, 60,70 ,80 yard shot. The Mevo + does a pretty good job with these little 1/2 swings and pitches. I have noticed that on shots less than 30 yards that spin axis is incorrect. I have this little cut shot that I like to do. Now, when I make good contact, I will have left spin axis. ( lefty here) Many of these shots show a 0 degrees SA.... One could argue that SA is not relevant for low speed shots.... I would be in that camp....... So really, it's a non issue. I just find it odd. Overall, the Mevo + is a great little unit.

[xfactor989]

If you are using E6, have you turned on "slow swing speed" mode for chipping? Per today's Flightscope Webinar it is for when ball speed will be similar to club speed. Might help with the chips.

[keither5150]

This is why you short chipping is important.

[keither5150]

Thanks..... I have a lot of practice from up there.... this par 3 has water in the front.....so I am long on many occasions. Putting from the rough in TGC can be tricky...

[GungHoGolf]

That was a good LM read - Mevo+ or GSA?

[keither5150]

That is on the GSA sim. Short chipping is crazy good on it.

[keither5150]

A instant replay of the chip.....