Bushnell Announces Launch Pro Partnership with Foresight Sports

[a98cr125]

Bushnell & Foresight are partnering up for a new consumer level launch monitor.

[Jnc10]

I only see one camera. any other information?

[a98cr125]

3 Cameras, will have club data, not certain on all data points yet but all info so far points to a strong device.

[a98cr125]

[DS12]

Any idea on price range?

Also this looks like a "mini-quad" and Foresight has stopped highlighting their GC2 on the homepage. Could this be a migration away from the mid-level tier for Foresight and they'll only focus on the high end with partnerships covering the lower prices options?

[StalefishFS3]

I will be curious to see how this piece of kit will slot into the range of launch monitors available to the public. The one thing we know is Foresight does put out good hardware. Foresight certainly is not going to put their name or provide their tech on a piece of equipment that will gut sales of their high-end GCQuad.

[JPXG]

Current SkyTrak owner here, and I am actually super pumped at the prospect of this unit!! Foresight would not put their name or reputation on the line for shoddy hardware. I bet this will sit in between Mevo+/SkyTrak and GCQuad, around the $3000-$4000 range.

[a98cr125]

Want to help clarify some things people are asking. The unit is camera based and it is designed and developed by Foresight Sports not Bushnell. So they are not putting their name on it, Bushnell is for distribution. There will be more info coming soon, but this device is going to be another solid product from Foresight. Very cool to see the sim space continue to develop with new products.

[Nicolcm]

On pricing spoke with foresight yesterday. Was about something else but topic evolved.

they said bushnell would be about 4500 with not software. Whereas foresight would be in 7k range with software.

I tested a flight scope, I know foresight is top of the line in accuracy, but think they are far behind flight scope in software

[StalefishFS3]

It's fun to speculate, so here I go:

We have seen in the last few weeks Foresight scrubbing its website of the GC2. As well as having a great XMas in July sale on new HMTs at literally half-price. This should tell all of us that the GC2/HMT combination is going away. Not that Foresight won't support it for repairs, but we as consumers should anticipate Foresight will no longer be selling either of these items, either new or CPO.

There was a post somewhere - likely in this forum - that the problem Foresight has is they made the GC2 (and HMT) too good. I agree. Anyone with a GC2/HMT combo understands this is an incredibly solid, professionally built unit that (almost) equals the GCQuad at about 60% of the price point, which will last for years to come if taken care of by the user. And is even more value oriented if the user is going to use indoors 95% of the time. Again, this has been discussed ad nausem on these boards.

Gut feel is the above irritates Foresight. Thus, if I had to read the tea leaves, this new unit will be a newer, slicker GC2 (GC3?) that will have very limited club data. Maybe just club head speed and club path. Perhaps a scaled down version of the "one dot" data the HMT/Quad delivers. And it will not have the capability for an add on -- you need to buy the Quad for that.

This unit will be great for a ton of consumers, and if the software is upgraded (FSX2022?) it could be a big hit. I also believe you will need to buy the software with it, just like with the GCQuad, given we know Foresight hates ala carte, but loves the prix fixe menu/nickel and dime model.

Detailed club data will thus be limited to the Quad going forward, which allows Foresight to keep its pricing intact for its luxury unit.

Best guess the price will fall around $4900, with a $2000-2500 charge for the new software that will only be usable on this device.

[Afor1991]

Hit the nail on the head. Foresight is not going to come out with a product that will make their quad sales plummet. I believe it will be a “mini quad” that will have a larger consumer base due to better price point but at the expense of some more technical data points

[Jnc10]

my guess is they go subscription model with fsx 2022 but agree with everything you stated

[StalefishFS3]

I also forgot to add that, as an owner of a GC2/HMT, this development may actually HELP keep the value up of these units. Because while I believe this new unit will be a slicker and slightly better version of the GC2 standing alone, the GC2 will retain its value due to 1) the ability to add on detailed club data and 2) being more wide open for 3rd party software via the ability to connect via bluetooth.

No way this new unit will have bluetooth enabled. Will be just like the Quad in that respect.

[andygg1986]

Another reason Foresight probably went this route is dealing with customer support. If this comes out in the $4-5k range and performs like a GC2 with a few clubhead data points, they will probably sell a fair number of units. Now consider what percentage of people buying them are going to call in complaining that it shows the distance is too short, balls don't go straight, etc. even if it works flawlessly. Foresight doesn't want to deal with that. Their support already seems swamped by dealing with repairs for the roughly 20k launch monitors that they have already sold, so let the bigger Bushnell support staff deal with all those calls regarding the new product.

[WallysW0rld]

On pricing spoke with foresight yesterday. Was about something else but topic evolved.

they said bushnell would be about 4500 with not software. Whereas foresight would be in 7k range with software.

I tested a flight scope, I know foresight is top of the line in accuracy, but think they are far behind flight scope in software

Did you test outdoors or indoors? Indoor accuracy can be dependant on your indoor environment and space. I think where this will shine is in the accuracy. No offense to the other lower LM but they are limited to a certain degree. This is why a ton of people upgrade to the GC2.

[Dax]

I am wondering if FS will follow the trend in the industry here and if software will be subscription based.

[bubbtubbs]

If they do, I'd switch to Uneekor or someone else in a hot second. Paying what amounts to service fees just to use software and hardware you own is a pernicious business model.

[Gresh12]

Amazing how polarizing subscription models are.

I actually prefer the Trackman model where they charge a fair bit ($1k per year) but the software is good, gets upgraded often and releases new courses reasonably often that are all well done to how I understand FSX works where every few years they make a new version and effectively expect you to upgrade (for a big price tag so I may as well be paying annually) and you have to add courses one fee at a time.

I’ll happily pay an annual fee if it keeps the company upgrading and especially if it allows for the device to sell on a thinner margin up front because they have some ongoing revenue. I’ll acknowledge the risk is they stop updating software and just sit back and collect the fee though.

[Nicolcm]

Did you test outdoors or indoors? Indoor accuracy can be dependant on your indoor environment and space. I think where this will shine is in the accuracy. No offense to the other lower LM but they are limited to a certain degree. This is why a ton of people upgrade to the GC2.

I tested a x3 in my net outback. Live in Orlando, so flightscope drove out. They analyzed the data back at the studio and determined there was too much interference and didn’t recommend I purchase.

was disappointed as the data looked good save for driver when we tested. But the software included in the x3 is just miles ahead of foresight.

[WallysW0rld]

I tested a x3 in my net outback. Live in Orlando, so flightscope drove out. They analyzed the data back at the studio and determined there was too much interference and didn’t recommend I purchase.

was disappointed as the data looked good save for driver when we tested. But the software included in the x3 is just miles ahead of foresight.

Did FS tell you what was causing the interference? That is very disappointing. If it makes you any better, I have a friend who is a long-distance competitor and he switched from radar to Quad.