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i have 11.5 ft from ball to screen so to figure out 5 degrees at 11.5 ft, do the following:
tan(5) = x / 11.5
0.0875 = x / 11.5
1.006 = x
so in my setup, 1 ft from center equals 5 degrees.
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8 3/8 inches
if you are going to do what i did and use painters tape on your screen do small pieces. if you do long vertical strips, they'll keep falling off every time a ball hits the screen close to the tape. let us know how it goes with your es16. bubba and mthunt both had good things to say. i'm reserving judgement until i get a few more hours on it.
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8 3/8 inches
if you are going to do what i did and use painters tape on your screen do small pieces. if you do long vertical strips, they'll keep falling off every time a ball hits the screen close to the tape. let us know how it goes with your es16. bubba and mthunt both had good things to say. i'm reserving judgement until i get a few more hours on it.
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So, are you trying to verify the ball flight by doing this compared to what the ES16 says?
Joko, please let me know what you find from moving back. I was only 8 feet. I did move back to compare at one point, but didn't notice any difference.
As as an update for me, I'm told that they made changes to the hardware of the ES16 immediately after shipping my unit and that's why I've had some issues, including my putting not working. I think bubba and mthunt got the new version as I think they were shipped after I was.
I have had some mis-reads with launch direction for sure. I sent them videos where the ball started right on an in-out swing, and the unit says I went out-in and the ball started left. But I am still hopeful. I'm hoping the new unit they are sending reads it more accurately.
One thing I noticed is that in some shots, I had a severe delay in reading, and in discussions once they said if that happens it may be that the cameras aren't reading the ball and it's only info from the Doppler.
We we will see ow the new unit goes once it comes.
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Let us know when you get the new unit. I do think the club and ball data is dependent on the box placement. If its off a bit from square the results are off.
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Yes, I do agree and it is difficult to make it perfectly straight and stay there. My ways are not perfect and I haven't made it easier because I was in the process of getting a new mat... BUT, my order for my Truestrike with 20% off from Golfsmith just sat there and sat because of the Dick's buyout. I eventually had to cancel it and waiting for them to give me my credit back.
I'm back to undecided on a mat and just using low quality on I have for now, so don't want to make anything to hold the unit better yet. I'll eventually build something that holds it in place where I want it to be sure it's straight, but for now I check it often.
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I hit some more balls last night. I had decent results, although battling a cold and also working through some swing adjustments. The one thing I noticed was that if the ball wasn't hit cleanly it wouldn't read, and occasionally severely misread to the left. Specifically if I hit it fat it wouldn't read.
I'm going to leave work early and go home and do some testing this afternoon. I did email the guys at ernest about these questions and got an email back very quickly, so that is nice to see.
Also, one thing I seem to be missing as far as the numbers that it spits out is how far the ball landed from the center point. In SkyTrak it would tell you how many yards you missed the center from, which is nice. Maybe I'm just not understanding how that value is displayed in the ES16 app.
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Quick update. I'm a bit worried my unit might be bad or needs recalibrated. I had 35% no reads, even on well struck shots. That right there is enough to discourage me.
I went back and forth between it and my skytrak using only an 8 iron since I can usually hit that fairly straight with decent consistency. On the es16 I couldn't really get anything to go straight, I had maybe 30% read the way it felt the shot was hit and also comparing it to my center target on the impact screen. When flipping back to skytrak I had much more centered shots, with mostly small draws and fades. Of course I had some bad shots on the skytrak as well but they felt bad when I hit them and compared to where they hit on the impact screen.
I still have hope it can be corrected. But so far not too happy.
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Make sure you are putting the ball in the right area as that sounds abnormal. Did your unit come with the calibration sheet? If so, it shows the range of area in green, but I found that the ideal area is level with the back leg and 12" closer to you. If you don't have that sheet, maybe I can scan it or make you one and post it here.
I found that over time I would change where I was putting the ball. I'll post a pic of my solution in a bit when I'm home.
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Baller, I do have the calibration sheet that came in the tube. I never had any problem getting the green light, would this still apply? I know sometimes with the skytrak it helps to put the ball behind the laser and closer to the unit.
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Yes, it does matter. I have found in some spots on the extremities I can get a green light, but it doesn't read the shot. You should try taking a video also. I've done this a couple times and watched that as I took the club back, the light would turn red. I had one day that was particularly bad and I emailed the guys and they told me this happens when the ball is in the wrong place or if the battery is low and not plugged in.
I have found the most consistency is when the ball is in line with the back frame and the far side of the ball is 12" or slightly less.
Also, the red/green could be trouble reading the ball, they said. So maybe try a different ball to be sure.
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Cool. I'll pull out the calibration sheet this weekend. Looks like it might be good for alignment also. I did see on a few occasions that I would place a ball - it would go green - and then red before I hit.
If I can get this figured out is one piece of the puzzle. I hit a ball earlier and it definitely went left of center but instead showed it went right with a fairly hard slice, and that was with an 8i.
If I can get more shots to register it should help to clear up any side alignment problems.
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The ES needs you to be extremely precise where you put the ball thus the laser pointer comment.My Courses:
World Par 3's by mthunt
Toronto GC (L) mthunt
Burlington G&CC by mthunt
Weston G&CC by mthunt
London Hunt Club L mthunt
Park CC Lidar mthunt
Sunningdale GC Robinson L
Sunningdale GC Thompson L
Muirfield Village (liDAR) First Ever Lidar course
Country Club of Castle Pines (liDAR)
The Sanctuary GC ProTee L
The National GC L mthunt
Mississaugua GC L mthunt
Shaughnessy G&CC L mthunt
Markland Woods CC mthunt
Hidden Lake Old L mthunt
Magna GC L mthunt
Barrie CC L mthunt
mthunt Range
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My Courses:
World Par 3's by mthunt
Toronto GC (L) mthunt
Burlington G&CC by mthunt
Weston G&CC by mthunt
London Hunt Club L mthunt
Park CC Lidar mthunt
Sunningdale GC Robinson L
Sunningdale GC Thompson L
Muirfield Village (liDAR) First Ever Lidar course
Country Club of Castle Pines (liDAR)
The Sanctuary GC ProTee L
The National GC L mthunt
Mississaugua GC L mthunt
Shaughnessy G&CC L mthunt
Markland Woods CC mthunt
Hidden Lake Old L mthunt
Magna GC L mthunt
Barrie CC L mthunt
mthunt Range
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A GC2 is 7k and an HMT is another 7. ES is 5 I think.My Courses:
World Par 3's by mthunt
Toronto GC (L) mthunt
Burlington G&CC by mthunt
Weston G&CC by mthunt
London Hunt Club L mthunt
Park CC Lidar mthunt
Sunningdale GC Robinson L
Sunningdale GC Thompson L
Muirfield Village (liDAR) First Ever Lidar course
Country Club of Castle Pines (liDAR)
The Sanctuary GC ProTee L
The National GC L mthunt
Mississaugua GC L mthunt
Shaughnessy G&CC L mthunt
Markland Woods CC mthunt
Hidden Lake Old L mthunt
Magna GC L mthunt
Barrie CC L mthunt
mthunt Range
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I disagree. While the GC2 might be amazingly dependable at giving you ball data, I think the ES16 has the potential to be better. It has more capability than the GC2 having both cameras as well as Doppler, but the software clearly has a ways to go.
Perhaps it will never be better than a GC2 WITH an HMT, but who knows. Time will tell. I'm hoping it will get at least close.
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Something I just found interesting, I went to the website of my local course and saw that their indoor driving range lessons are now utilizing the ES16:
"The ES16 Tour Golf Simulator provides the most precise club and ball data available, with ability to “play” different courses on a TV screen. Along with the new device, we will still be using the Flightscope Launch Monitor and V1 Golf Video Analysis"
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