Wedges, Chips, and Putts Oh MY!!

[cartrydge]

Ok I've had a few rounds under my belt now and my biggest complaints are the full wedge shots and putting. I hit the ball very well tonight and still ended up shooting +9 because every green I hit wedge into spun all the way off and I mean insane spin. Is there some sort of adjustment for this? I spin the ball outside but, nothing like this. Also the putting is next to impossible to make one. Once you move the guy depending on the special green flashing things that suppose to tell you something you lose sight of the hole. The chipping I don't mind and actually I would take a 30 foot chip over a 30 foot putt all day in the game.

Rant over...

[HWoods]

What kind of backspin numbers are you getting on a PW?

[cartrydge]

8000-9500 on pw-sw pretty much. It's really just on the higher lofted GW - LW They are spinning like 10-20 yards sometimes.

Maybe it was something whith how the greens were on this last course. The original one we were playing this week before the change didn't spin like this one.

[cvclub]

I have only played about 6 holes but I think the TGC is pretty realistic on my wedge play with the following exceptions (fyi my short game is excellent in real life):
1) Hitting from the rough can be perfect one time and the next time it goes 2x normal ...this does not happen outdoors
2) Putting can be almost life like and then it can completely turn into a nitemare, especially on 3-7 ft putts where the roll past can be excessive.

I am using Zmax settings and have putting in the interface set to 1.0

[Maverick]

8000-9500 on pw-sw pretty much. It's really just on the higher lofted GW - LW They are spinning like 10-20 yards sometimes.

Maybe it was something whith how the greens were on this last course. The original one we were playing this week before the change didn't spin like this one.

What are your spin settings in GSX? We played on the par 3 course and I don't recall seeing anything like that. Actually, I don't recall seeing anybody spinning 10-20 yards back. Might be a problem with your GSX.

[Maverick]

I have only played about 6 holes but I think the TGC is pretty realistic on my wedge play with the following exceptions (fyi my short game is excellent in real life):
1) Hitting from the rough can be perfect one time and the next time it goes 2x normal ...this does not happen outdoors
2) Putting can be almost life like and then it can completely turn into a nitemare, especially on 3-7 ft putts where the roll past can be excessive.

I am using Zmax settings and have putting in the interface set to 1.0

#1 is a Protee issue, not a TGC issue.

[cartrydge]

What are your spin settings in GSX? We played on the par 3 course and I don't recall seeing anything like that. Actually, I don't recall seeing anybody spinning 10-20 yards back. Might be a problem with your GSX.

SHould be default settings I never changed anything in the spin. I didn't do it on the par3 but, played two games with chefrank on this course and he can confirm it spun an insane amount. And the spin numbers the gc2 show are normal spin numbers those ranges are normal for wedges as far as spin. I'll mess with gsx and see.

[HWoods]

GSX spin should be 0 in TGC. If you had protee before you might have something different.

[cartrydge]

Ok the spin wasn't on zero I changed it and it's a some what better now.

[Maverick]

what was it on an did you change it by mistake?

[cartrydge]

it was on 10 I may have changed it when I was having the original issues and forgot to put it back.

[mmlincon]

I played Pinehurst last night with a friend and we both felt the wedge spin was a high. I was having wedge shots spin back off the green (I wasn't landing near the green fall offs either ). My wedge shots usually just drop and stop IRL. I don't get a lot of pull back unless the greens are soft. I've had wedge shots with spins in excess of 10000 so this could be the matt I'm using if it's causing the ball to be pinched. Even trying to hit a running chip the ball seems to check up and slow way down even though there shouldn't be a whole lot of spin on it. My wedge backspin is 0 but I might try setting that down a little to see what impact it has.

[Maverick]

You updated everything? There's another person saying the short game is biting too much. While other GC2 guys are saying short game and full wedges are fine. It's fine on my ProTee also. Maybe it's your mat or maybe something got messed up with your GSX.

[SFR]

I played Pinehurst last night with a friend and we both felt the wedge spin was a high. I was having wedge shots spin back off the green (I wasn't landing near the green fall offs either ). My wedge shots usually just drop and stop IRL. I don't get a lot of pull back unless the greens are soft. I've had wedge shots with spins in excess of 10000 so this could be the matt I'm using if it's causing the ball to be pinched. Even trying to hit a running chip the ball seems to check up and slow way down even though there shouldn't be a whole lot of spin on it. My wedge backspin is 0 but I might try setting that down a little to see what impact it has.

I don't hit down on the ball as much as some may so I tend not get as much spin on my shots. However when I first got the GC2 and tested some different balls to compare back spin numbers. I did get some full hard hit wedges to get into the 8000 and 9000 range but most now are in the 6000 range so if you have over 10000 or close to that you should see more balls backing up. The average I have for Pro's with a PW was 9300 and LPGA was 8400.

It may be your mat. The only balls I could get to check up and stop were flop shots, otherwise I thought they rolled out like they would on a course with nasty greens with a lot of break.

I don't think there is any way to compare a course like this to what is normal and as we play more courses on TGC I think we will find that if we play a course like the ones that Craig has made for us, we will find that it plays better for a sim course and more to what we think normal may be. I think right now it's all in the design setup.

[Js1010]

Mmlincon, i thought the exact same thing with pinehurst.

I emailed zmax about this last night. I was also playing pinehurst #2 blue and thought my chips, pitches, and sand shots were really checking up and rolling out slow in comparison to how much my mid to long irons would not hold, as well as how fast the putting is. I am not saying that the mid to longer irons are unrealistic for a course like pinehurst, but i do think the chips and sand shot checked up a bit too much seeing how firm the greens were with all other shots - just doesn't seem consistent. Definitely easier this way, though.

Here is a video from another course where it was a short sand shot and the ball spun back up what looks like a slight slope towards the hole and almost back into the bunker. It was a short shot - shouldn't spin back like this. My gsx settings are all zero except for putting forgiveness at 2 including all bunker settings. I don't think i touched protee interface except to enable tgc and external data setting for gc2.

Here is a video of the sand shot.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/acn3roi3dm8pfm1/Video%20Dec%2009%2C%202%2015%2016%20PM.mov?dl=0