is this true?

[thedancerjin]

i found GSA golf can use TGC simualtor now.

http://golf-simulators.com/GameSoftware.html

and they can sell TGC for $999 without buying Protee 2.0 software.

i asked "can i bought TGC simulator without buying Protee 2.0 software? because i dont play protee 2.0 and i only play TGC with GC2" before..

http://golfsimulatorforum.com/forum/...e-2-0-software

but Zmax and another person said that have to buy protee 2.0..

so.. i dont understand why GSA can sell TGC without protee 2.0?

i spend $1995. if Protee can sell TGC without protee 2.0 software for GC2 user like GSA.. then i could save my money $1000... if i can.. i want to refound my license and i want to buy GSA.



and i have one more question..

now im feeling GC2 accuracy isnt good. and now GSA can play TGC.

i think GSA is more good than GC2. because more cheap.. dont stop develop and update their sensor.

so i think even i have problem with GSA sensor.. they can fix it quickly..

so if i will buy GSA sensor.. can i play TGC with my license? or have to buy new TGC software from GSA?...



now im little upset to spend $1000 for buying protee 2.0 software. protee 2.0 software is nothing for me... i just want to play only TGC..


please make sense me..

[goatbarn]

Wow, if you think GSA is more accurate than GC2 you need to do more research.

[Bubba22]

All I can say is good luck!!

[drewpac]

u have a skytrak, protee sensor, and gc2. if u dont think those are accurate, why would you think GSA would be?

[bubs3141]

There is no pleasing him.

[cartrydge]

Wow, if you think GSA is more accurate than GC2 you need to do more research.

Did you not read it more better cause cheap. I buy cheap china sedan much better than bmw cause cheap....

[Wigalo]

It is true. I just purchased TGC for GSA. It is absolutely stunning by the way. As an aside, I also downloaded the e6 1.6 demo and what a disappointment.

I will tell anyone who will listen that my GSA system is on point and accurately depicts the ball's flight. I must say that I have a fixed camera system and can not speak to the LX.

Martin has some great things on the horizon. I'm excited to be a GSA owner and with the new image recognition software that he is working on, I really believe that he will have the best value, bar none of the permanently installed sim systems out. Trust me on that.

[thedancerjin]

Wow, if you think GSA is more accurate than GC2 you need to do more research.

i tested GC2 and Skytrak with my frined in golf course. my friend's is professonal golfer in korea.

maytime we saw that even ball goes straight.. GC2 and Skytrak said DRAW.. but GC2 DRAW spin number is more than Skytrak. so may times...


see here and see replay.

http://golfsimulatorforum.com/forum/skytrak/35948-par2pro-demo-gc2-st-compared

my thinking is same with cartrydge. Skytrak sidespin number is wrong manytime too like GC2.. but i saw real ball flight.. and GC2's sidespin number is more wrong than Skytrak..

but i think both support center is not good. their update and fix problem is slow..

you know? Skytrak can read ball if use white shaft like matrix white or C-taper custom white shaft? and i asked it to korea skytrak support center before.. but they dont answer..

and i think if i asked GC2's putting problem to GC2 support center.. i dont think they will fix it..

but i was watching GSA homepage before long time ago.. their effort is good for develop their sensor. and i think their support is fast than GC2 and Skytrak.

i like test any machine like IPhone vs Samsung phone.

so just i want to find more accuracy sensor..

thats why i have many sensor.

i dont think to buy GSA just because of cheap.. if i buy some machine.. i search where support center is good.

i had P3pro swing before.. and if i have any problem.. they will update verson within 2 days... soo fast.


i think protee's support center is good and fast.

but why im little upset is why GSA can buy TGC without Protee 2.0 sensor and why GC2 user have to buy Protee 2.0 software for TGC even

GC2 user dont play protee 2.0.and i think now your thinking is just complain...

im not just complain.. i just need good answer for using my $1000..


no one can explain to me?....

[thedancerjin]

It is true. I just purchased TGC for GSA. It is absolutely stunning by the way. As an aside, I also downloaded the e6 1.6 demo and what a disappointment.

I will tell anyone who will listen that my GSA system is on point and accurately depicts the ball's flight. I must say that I have a fixed camera system and can not speak to the LX.

Martin has some great things on the horizon. I'm excited to be a GSA owner and with the new image recognition software that he is working on, I really believe that he will have the best value, bar none of the permanently installed sim systems out. Trust me on that.

can you test GSA with another sensor like GC2 or Flightscope?..

if GSA's ball flight is accuracy.. i want to switch my GC2 to GSA..

so many times GC2 say too much draw.....

[ProTee United]

ProTee is not selling TGC as a stand-alone package. We sell the ProTee Golf 2.0 package. This package includes TGC as a free add-on.

In the very near future we will make sensor systems available with just TGC (like GSA).

Note: Please be aware that TGC for GSA will not work with ProTee hardware and vice versa. Same for other hardware devices available now and in the future.

[Bubba22]

Not sure what advice to give you. TGC is sold as a package with ProTee software. Perhaps some future sims like GSA will only sell TGC. Others may follow. You can't mix and match different software contracts from different hardware. Like I said good luck with GSA. Perhaps pm and get some info from Wigalo who is our resident expert on GSA.

[thedancerjin]

ProTee is not selling TGC as a stand-alone package. We sell the ProTee Golf 2.0 package. This package includes TGC as a free add-on.
In the very near future we will make sensor systems available with just TGC (like GSA).
Note: Please be aware that TGC for GSA will not work with ProTee hardware and vice versa. Same for other hardware devices available now and in the future.

so your word mean that GSA does'nt include Protee 2.0? but when i see this movie..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvoOCJdOWlg

i think GSA use protee interface in TGC. so i think GSA sell TGC and protee interface withought protee 2.0 software and course.
so i think they can sell it $999
so i dont understand why GSA user can use protee interface for TGC without protee 2.0 sofrware and course, and why GC2 user have to buy protee 2.0 software and course?..
GSA and GC2 is sameting. they dont need protee sensor and protee 2.0 software to play TGC. but cost for TGC is different.. i dont know why..
i need answer this.

[Bubba22]

Your terminology is wrong. GSA can't use the ProTee interface in TGC or ProTee. They developed their own interface obviously for their hardware. Where do you see GSA using ProTee play? GSA uses Red Chain so they already have a software identical to ProTee play. Why would they need Proteeplay. Do you understand? That's one of the reasons they negotiated to just integrate with TGC. Please read more to fully understand.

[Wigalo]

@ thedancerjin: As you know, there are several sim companies who have chosen, and in their minds perfected their hardware. Martin at GSA has camera based systems, camera combined with sensor based systems; ProTee's major player package is their club sensor mat combined with ball tracking cams; others use radar etc... you get the picture. There are far more companies who make the hardware than there are those who make the software. Accordingly, you see many of the these sim companies using the same simulation software... the big three now being TGC, Redchain and E6.

Each sim company has to build their own "interface" to send the data collected by their hardware to the software for us to enjoy the simulation. Now, I was able to buy my TGC standalone, but when I bought my sim package originally, guess what I had to purchase? yes, GSAs version of Redchain. Based on a prior post, it looks as though protee and possibly others will make TGC their base simulation software.

It's really not a matter of fair or unfair, overpriced or underpriced. The sim companies are going to package their hardware and software and price it to optimize profit. If they do a good job, they will make money... if not, the market will let them know by not buying their product. In GSAs case, it would have made no sense for Martin to package Pro Tees version of redchains coursepack and interface. I, the market would have deemed it a bad deal, and he would sell nothing.

My advice, do your research and settle on the hardware that will send the most accurate data via the sim company's interface to the simulation software. if you make the right choice, You will be rewarded. I happen to think that Martin at GSA is very close to having the best permanently installed system out. Of course, this is debatable... but that's another thread.


Hope that helps.

[thedancerjin]

Not sure what advice to give you. TGC is sold as a package with ProTee software. Perhaps some future sims like GSA will only sell TGC. Others may follow. You can't mix and match different software contracts from different hardware. Like I said good luck with GSA. Perhaps pm and get some info from Wigalo who is our resident expert on GSA.

oh.. i saw protee logo in ball flight information after shot in this movie. so i thought every sensor have to use protee interface for using TGC

i understand if GSA connect TGC within protee. i thought protee got an exclusive contract. so i thought GSA connect Protee for using TGC


so now i have one question. i have TGC license. so if some simulator support to play TGC.. can i use any sensor without buying TGC again?