Optishot 2.0 and Online Tournament Procedures

[CatMan]

Optishot Tour Management Board

1. The Optishot Tour Board consists of 4 Board Members and a Tour Secretary/Administrator.

2. They will manage The Optishot Online Tour, managing the guidelines and tournaments, as well as overseeing the integrity and regulations of play by all members.

3. They will review all applications for setting changes and review all evidence provided before making their decision. They will publish a formal statement relating to the setting change if approved.

4. They will handle all reports of breaches of the following guidelines by way of a closed discussion, and administer the penalties in accordance with the guidelines below. They may publish formal statements relating to the breach and penalty applied if necessary.

5. A current list of Board Members is found at

http://golfsimulatorforum.com/forum/...-online-league

Ball Settings

1. Players MUST set the ball type to the actual ball they are physically hitting. Players are to hit either a Real ball or Foam ball if their setup allows, due to unreliable data from the No Ball setting.

Clubset Settings

1. Players Driver settings MUST be set the to following, dependant on the ball and turf type they are using.

a. Real Ball, Stock Turf - 100% Speed, 88% Distance.............

b. Real Ball, Thick Turf - 100% Speed 88% Distance...............

c. Foam Ball, Stock Turf - 93% Speed, 88% Distance.............

d. Foam Ball, Thick Turf - 100% Speed, 88% Distance... Note May need to tee lower to get accurate swing speed.

e. No Ball Setting - 100% Speed 88% Distance ......................

2. Players MUST set the Loft and Offset Setting of all clubs to the loft of the club they are physically hitting

3. If using a 3 wood instead of Driver due to Height Restrictions Use Identical settings to those you would normally use as per your ball and turf setup above.

4. 3 wood and 5 wood MUST NOT exceed Speed 100% Distance 100% . Players can always adjust lower.

5. Players Irons MUST be set to achieve real world distances and both Speed% and Distance % settings may be altered up or down to achieve the correct distances.

6. Players may set the Putter Speed % Setting between 80% and 100% to reflect there real life Putting stroke. The Distance % MUST remain at 100% When Putting, players MUST hit either a real or foam ball, unless using the No Ball Setting for the whole round.

7. Players MUST NOT carry out any adjustments to any Clubset Settings during a round.

8. - Penalty . Anyone found in breach of the above settings shall be removed from the Tournament and/or face further action as the Board see's fit.

Trajectory Settings

1. The Highest Trajectory setting MUST NEVER be used off the tee or for approach shots from the fairway/rough purely in order to gain yardage but is to be used in situations when a higher trajectory is required to clear obstacles or obstructions. All other trajectory settings may be used and altered at any time with any club during a round. Until DD fixes software.

2 - Penalty - Anyone found in breach of the above guideline shall be awarded a 2 stroke penalty for each individual offence.

Pro Tour No Handicap League

Player participating on Pro Tour need to meet these additional requirements

The Pro Tour League is held to a higher Standard in regards to accountability for Scores Posted.. All Rounds Must be Recorded showing Clearly Ball Setting, and Club Setting, and then Posted on the Online Golf tour Video Thread... , No Players are Exempt from this...

Club Settings - Loft, Offsets, and speed and distance within Guidelines, ensure that the Video Quality is good enough to see all Club settings.

All Recording are subject to other Players Scrutiny to ensure players are playing within the Guidelines. Tour Pro Players that report concerns to me or the board, will be investigated promptly. Any obvious manipulation of software, or unrealistic settings, found during review of Video will be subject to banning from Pro Tour League, and from Site.

All players that fail to post video's will be disqualified from PGA Tour Tournament upon closing Event. No exceptions

Screen Recording Requirement

1. All Players are encouraged to record/stream their rounds and upload them via Twitch or Youtube within 24 hours of completing their round to relieve any suspicion of game tampering, or any unrealistic distances. If unable to record or stream you are still subject to provide such video if questions arise about your game play.

2. Before starting round please show Ball Setting and Clubset Settings for EVERY club.

3. Please post your Video's on Optishot Online Video's of Online Tournaments.. http://golfsimulatorforum.com/forum/...ne-tournaments

4. If when viewing another Players uploaded video you spot what you believe to be a breach of any of these guidelines you are to report it to The Board, giving the Players Name, a link to the video, the breach you wish to report, and the time that the proposed breach occurs.

Gameplay Format

1. Tournaments will be either set in 2-4 Rounds for each Event. Matches will be created on Monday for all Tournaments. Invitations, sent directly to your Optishot and notified via Email., Please Pay attention to the Round you enter. TourRD1A means round 1 first group. TourRD1B means round 1 second group and so on.

Invitations: Round 1 will go out by 10PM EST Monday Night, Round 2 Invites will go out by 10PM Wednesday Night and Rounds 3 and 4 by 10PM EST Friday Night. Please do not ask for invitations in advance do to the amount of time involved.

2. All rounds need to be completed by Sunday Night at 10PM EST, so Tournament can be close out. If all Rounds are not completed then a Player will be given a final score of DNF for the Event.

3. Once you begin a Round you must complete that Round. If you exit the Round before completion you will be disqualified from the Tournament. However if this is due to circumstance beyond your control, ie power cut or software error, this will be dealt with on a case by case basis by the Board.

****************** Scorecard

1. After accepting your invite and when starting your round on Optishot you must also select Play Round for the corresponding round on the My Tournaments tab on the ****************** website

2. Scores for all Rounds will be entered in Live format. Entry will be done after completion of each hole and player must enter score the for each on the website. This will give players the opportunity to know where they sit during game play and give live in running scores

3. All scorecards will be verified and any scorecard that is inaccurate is subject to a 2 stroke penalty for EACH Entry that is incorrect. If it is found that the entry was done on purpose it will result in disqualification from the Tournament.

Handicapping

1. The Secretary/Administrator will auto-calculate before each tournament using a range -10 to +15, all players under 6 rounds will be adjusted to a conservative index until 6 rounds are achieved. We will use - handicaps with not adjustments. Subject to change


Please read fully and understand rules above, ensure you have the OBS recording software installed and tested, and familiarise yourself with both the Optishot Software, The ****************** website and these forums

Once you are fully setup and ready to take part in an event, have completed the necessary Clubset Settings, have Screen Recording Software in place, and are fully familiar with all the above Rules and guideline please post below that you have read, fully understood and agree to comply with all the above.

Guidelines can be modified at anytime and will be posted on this Thread..

So please subscribe to the Thread so you are made aware of any Updates.

Welcome to the Optishot Online Tour

[CatMan]

Not sure on that one, maybe someone else on site can answer this....

[quarternacsr]

The glitch also has my son hitting his 3W 360 yards with 100 mph head speed. We had to put it down to 72-90 so he would keep his fairway shots around 220...lol maybe just use his 3W of the T....hehe

[CatMan]

lol yes there is something wrong with that lol

[quarternacsr]

I believe the testing - working environment per your testing and the videos I have observed to be optimal in a dark garage with specific lighting. This may be our downfall since we have it in our living room due to high ceilings and lighting is not similar to all of yours until nighttime. Oh well, thought I would check so we could join in on the online tournaments.

[JohnMeyer]

Hi,

Lighting is quite key. If you are using it in your living room, what bulbs are in your light sockets. If there is any form of incandescent lighting then this will cause issues.

You need to swap your bulbs as a bare minimum requirement to CFL bulbs. (energy saving ones normally are of this type)

Id also like to know what ball setting you are using, foam or no ball im guessing if in your living room, and finally what clubs you are using,

From the testing we conducted, if your swing speeds, and therefore your distances are reading very low when set to 100 88 then we did find that if you are swing a long way above the sensor unit then this can reduce the speeds measured.

As regards your "glitch" this is quite a common occurence when the clubs are of an irregualr shaped bottom, with strange angles or non shiny silver surfaces

Where abouts are you located UK or USA?

Id gladly go through some testing with you to confirm whats going on. Ive done lots of testing with many of the members here so sure we could work out what was going on

[quarternacsr]

JM,
I have all lights off except for a direct lamp about 4ft away from pad with a 800 lumen bulb. Son got it from his earth saving science class. Not the neon type but is some sort "green" lighting. We tried an LED but this one had better reults

We had it on foam ball setting since we were using almost golf balls/ callaway balls hitting into net. Found our distances were more consistent with the real ball setting though, even if we hit the foam balls.

We found the exact same. My son T's his D shot very high as he does on the links and I noticed the same right away. Hid D head speed runs around 85-90 max.

We retaped all of our woods per Catmans youtube recommendations. This did help but still the errors occur more than either of us would like.

I do have to say we have it working so we could play and have those clubsets saved but I wanted to try and get into this online tournament thing so I went through all of our clubs per regs and then played. This is when I noticed we couldn't get any distances with our woods to compete.

We also noticed it took much less club offset and mods to clubsets on his clubs to get him playing. I believe this to be the result of his club head speeds are more to the liking of OS2. My speeds are not to the liking of OS2 or as optimal lets say.

thanks for all of the input. This may be under the wrong thread I know but the intent of it is to get us on the online tournament for some winter time golf...

[quarternacsr]

JM,
He is using US KIDS TS 57 clubs with RBZ driver
I use Ping I3 white dots with RBZ 2 driver

USA USA USA USA...lol

[JohnMeyer]

Sent you a Private message, will try and get ya sorted out, if ya just reply to my messages to keep the forum tidy we'll see what needs to be done

[CatMan]

I've been getting a closed faced with my RBZ's not sure if it is because of the Slot...... 3.5 closed 7Wood and 4 Hybrid

[quarternacsr]

exactly, I am a fade on course and I have the offset at 0.000 and still get a draw on OS2. With black tape and aluminum tape on bottom.
Funny thing is my sons at lower head speed gives him the fade with a higher offset setting....we are a wreck of inconsistencies...lol
I will tell you, if it weren't for you guys posting up tube vids and support this game would have gone back to DD...

[Willymakit]

Has anyone come up with a way to calibrate at home or do I have to send it back to DD?

If you go to your optishot file folder. Once in there you will see a test sensor. Just click on that and wave a club over sensors. If they show up green then that means there working properly.

[quarternacsr]

thanks, will try

[Willymakit]

So this is just an idea that's im going to throw out there.

And the topic is on mulligans. My question is. How many times in a round do guys get misreads. I'm not talking about a couple of degrees off but I'm talking above 10 degrees either way and I'm talking on the driver and the irons. I understand on chipping I sometimes get those to but it doesn't affect the out come has much has with a driver and irons.

So here is my solution. Since we have to have video on every game, mulligans could work in a safe and non cheating way.

For example. On first hole I hit s drive with a 10 degree closed. At that point I would hit mulligan and write down on a piece of paper so you don't forget where you use it and when the game is over you could write down when sending in your video and tag it to something like this. 1st hole. 12 degree closed. Used mulligan. If it happens some where else then you would write down 6 hole 7 iron to green 11 degree open. Used mulligan. That way if somebody want to check it out then you could go to thst hole and see if a mulligan would be granted in that situation.

I think there should be something in place because the frustration on that happening when your playing well and you end up having a misread.

We made rules for just about everything else. Why not make one more. I feel that the group we have now would not take advantage of that.

So maybe it should read something like this.

If getting a read of 10 degrees or more open or closed on your driver or irons you may use a mulligan

There can not be no mulligans used for chipping and or putting at any time. If found cheating you will be disqualified from
Tournsment

I feel we need to have some kind of rule like this or i will lose interest in playing online. And I'm just about there. This is my last resort of being heard.

I do like where this optishot online is going. I feel we just have to fine tune it a little more to IRl.

What do you guys think?

[Vincent_Vega]

So this is just an idea that's im going to throw out there.

And the topic is on mulligans. My question is. How many times in a round do guys get misreads. I'm not talking about a couple of degrees off but I'm talking above 10 degrees either way and I'm talking on the driver and the irons. I understand on chipping I sometimes get those to but it doesn't affect the out come has much has with a driver and irons.

So here is my solution. Since we have to have video on every game, mulligans could work in a safe and non cheating way.

For example. On first hole I hit s drive with a 10 degree closed. At that point I would hit mulligan and write down on a piece of paper so you don't forget where you use it and when the game is over you could write down when sending in your video and tag it to something like this. 1st hole. 12 degree closed. Used mulligan. If it happens some where else then you would write down 6 hole 7 iron to green 11 degree open. Used mulligan. That way if somebody want to check it out then you could go to thst hole and see if a mulligan would be granted in that situation.

I think there should be something in place because the frustration on that happening when your playing well and you end up having a misread.

We made rules for just about everything else. Why not make one more. I feel that the group we have now would not take advantage of that.

So maybe it should read something like this.

If getting a read of 10 degrees or more open or closed on your driver or irons you may use a mulligan

There can not be no mulligans used for chipping and or putting at any time. If found cheating you will be disqualified from
Tournsment

I feel we need to have some kind of rule like this or i will lose interest in playing online. And I'm just about there. This is my last resort of being heard.

I do like where this optishot online is going. I feel we just have to fine tune it a little more to IRl.

What do you guys think?

I can't remember the last time I got a reading that severe closed or open. It's been probably since the first tournament of last season since I've gotten one. That was only with a driver and was before I taped it properly. I've never gotten those kind of readings with irons. Like I've stated before, I don't place the ball in the default tee holder of the stock mat. When I was using that spot, I would get some severe closed readings. That was before I taped though, so I can't say for sure which of the two variables was causing the closed face. Now, the only misreads I get are the occasional swing speed misreads. These are maybe once or twice a round. The club face reads correctly, but my swing speed is just exaggerated.

We actually don't require recording but it's very much strongly recommended. You are required to provide video however if questions arise regarding your play. I personally don't think mulligans are a good idea because then anyone can say it was a misread and re-hit when in all actuality, they're just making a bad swing. I'm not saying this is what's happening with you, I know you have a good swing. If you're able to, try moving the ball up on the mat a tad.

[Willymakit]

Yeah I tried moving the ball around. If I move it up I get upwards of 15 degree closed face. I played practise round last night and had 4 misreads of plus 10 degree closed and had to take penalty strokes. I'm at the point I'm not enjoying the game and if I can't find a solution soon this optishot will be in the garbage.

I know that IRl i don't even get those results if I tried to hit my driver like that. So I'm not sure why I have to settle for that on a simulator. I also thought we were trying to get has close to being to IRl with all these rule changes. It wouldn't be any harder then having mulligans if used the correct way.

[Maxxx]

Hey Willy, I am also a victim of closed readings of up to 25 degrees ! I have tried playing with the offsets and placing the ball everywhere .It usually.only happens with my short irons but since taping them and calibrating them it doesn't happen as much. However, now its my Driver thats giving me crazy duck hooks. My last round, I went way left into the marsh about 5 times !!.

All that said, Iam convinced that it is my swing combined with the optishot's misread. I think my miss is probably a closed clubface but not as much as it says.
It would be hard to regulate and let players take mulligans for open or closed faces but I wish there was a way to take a mulligan for a drive that had a 75 mph speed or when I pick up my tee and by accident a club goes over the sensor and I get a 10 yard drive or when I drive it down the middle 340 yards from a 145mph mis read. I know protee guys play with them but how do they regulate this ?

Cheers

So this is just an idea that's im going to throw out there.

And the topic is on mulligans. My question is. How many times in a round do guys get misreads. I'm not talking about a couple of degrees off but I'm talking above 10 degrees either way and I'm talking on the driver and the irons. I understand on chipping I sometimes get those to but it doesn't affect the out come has much has with a driver and irons.

So here is my solution. Since we have to have video on every game, mulligans could work in a safe and non cheating way.

For example. On first hole I hit s drive with a 10 degree closed. At that point I would hit mulligan and write down on a piece of paper so you don't forget where you use it and when the game is over you could write down when sending in your video and tag it to something like this. 1st hole. 12 degree closed. Used mulligan. If it happens some where else then you would write down 6 hole 7 iron to green 11 degree open. Used mulligan. That way if somebody want to check it out then you could go to thst hole and see if a mulligan would be granted in that situation.

I think there should be something in place because the frustration on that happening when your playing well and you end up having a misread.

We made rules for just about everything else. Why not make one more. I feel that the group we have now would not take advantage of that.

So maybe it should read something like this.

If getting a read of 10 degrees or more open or closed on your driver or irons you may use a mulligan

There can not be no mulligans used for chipping and or putting at any time. If found cheating you will be disqualified from
Tournsment

I feel we need to have some kind of rule like this or i will lose interest in playing online. And I'm just about there. This is my last resort of being heard.

I do like where this optishot online is going. I feel we just have to fine tune it a little more to IRl.

What do you guys think?

[Willymakit]

Yes max I get about two misreads of slow swing speed and I can accept that if it doesn't cost me any extra strokes. What I can't accept is the misreads that cost me strokes. I'm not talking about the chip shots.

So here is my typical round on average. 3-4 mis reads on drives due to open/closed club face of 10degrees. 2 drives due to slower swing speed and about 4 iron shots due to 10 degree open or closed from the fairway or on the tee on par 3. And that doesn't even include around the green for chip shots. So out of 18 holes I gave misreads for half the holes. It pretty hard to complete or even enjoy the game. I been biting my tongue long enough to the point that im past frustration.

I tried different setups with lightening and ball position and almost playing in the dark. And maybe it is in my settings but I'm at the point that I have tried everything and nothing really had changed.

I have played on hd simulator and the most degrees I see on my worst shot is 5 degree closed. But mostly its around the 1 degree open it closed on 95% of my shots.

So if we are having these issues then maybe something needs to be done so people can enjoy this game.

And I know it's not my swing because I don't get these results IRl.

Will give you another example. Had buddy watch through live streaming because I would like him to maybe buy a opishot but after him seeing the readings I was getting he lost total interest.

And I also know the feeling of taking a swing with out a club and it goes 10 feet. Had that happened onnce. Learnt my lesson. Lol

And I had lots of misreads of faster swing speed when playing with a foam ball. I haven't had it playing with a real ball.

[Maxxx]

That's an interesting point about the real ball vs foam . Maybe the lack of weight.of.the foam ball hepls pen or close the clubface. I do hit some hooks IRL but.not.out.of.this.planet ones . However a few of.my buddies are vicious slicers irl and the same on the opti.Maybe it had something to do with only hookers ? I would get one of.your golfing friends.over and.get another opinion and let him test it out. Good luck and let us know if you find anything.

Cheers

[Mike80]

Hey guys, I feel your pain with the misreads. I have struggled as well dealing with them. It happened a lot in the beginning, then after taping and calibrating and matching your real offsets for each of your clubs, it has gotten a lot better. Also you almost have to learn how to hit on the Optishot to avoid misreadings.

With that said, you will still get misreads. Unfortunately, this is the system we are dealing with. OptiShot is great for the price point, but has the fewest sensors than any other simulator. So it can't be 100% reading correctly all the time.

If someone really turns the club closed after impact (in real life the shot may be straight or a slight draw), but the last Optishot sensor sees the club face closing and it really exaggerates the club face and gives these ridiculous club face readings. (same as very Open)

So, with all this being said, Optishot is still fun to play, but we will all continue to experience these issues because this Simulator is very limited. The best you can do is setup your lighting correct, tape your clubs, adjust club off sets and calibrate your clubs. That's about all you can do, and you will still get misreads.

I enjoy playing Optishot and have a lot of fun. But I have a Skytrak and am looking forward to the new E6 cloud software integration that is happening sometime in March 2015. I am very excited because I will finally be able to play golf simulation that is VERY ACCURATE! Also another option is ProTee. But the most affordable solution I think around the corner is Skytrak $2000 and $25 per month for E6 Full Ver. That's gonna be hard to beat!!!!

I hope many of us that struggle with these issues in this league will look into the Skytrak launch monitor. You will have great graphics, top courses and a very accurate launch monitor that reads ball spin (which is the most important variable in a good launch monitor).

Until a better, more accurate solution is available we are going to have to deal with the limitations with Optishot.

You have to learn and teach yourself how to hit on the Optishot correctly (stance, swing, impact zone, being very careful not to turn your wrist).