To be real or not to be real?

[Maverick]

Set Optishot for real life distances or not?

[Buckeye]

Aurincoynen,

I'm not trying to stir the pot up more than I already have I suppose, but can you explain your 218 KmPH swing speeds with the driver and 3w? 218 KmPH is roughly 136 mph.

[MatalaWedge]

202-209 is what i average on opti. I'm surprised noboby has asked this before though. I do hit it very hard and can say with a lot of confidence that I hit it much further than most. I used to be a between 0 and 1 handicap in my twenties. 218 is probably a misread in my favor. I can run a proper webcam for you through my mobile phone if you like. You can then get a proper look at my swing. Round 4 at the Open I had a proper webcam behind me, you can have a look at that first if you like. ( http://www.twitch.tv/aurincoynen_live/b/601736160) All of my rounds are taped and I've taken this up with John in the past wondering why nobody is asking these questions. I'll get this second round out of the way first though if you don't mind.

[CatMan]

Nick you have a powerful swing, and that is easy to see. Smooth and fast with control, I never questioned it. I'm jealous.

[Buckeye]

Yea, I'm sorry. I think it likely wasn't noticed before because most don't do the conversions. I was sitting here bored watching college football and your stream and thought I'd see what the conversion was to MPH. I was surprised.

Even at 200 Km PH is 124 mph club head speed which would rank very high on the PGA tour as I am sure you are well aware of.

I guess I am starting to wonder if how a person tapes their clubs or what turf the top they have or any other variable might be the cause of the wild swing speeds we see here and not so much malice.

[CatMan]

Nick just stay focus on tournament bud.

[MatalaWedge]

Yea, I'm sorry. I think it likely wasn't noticed before because most don't do the conversions. I was sitting here bored watching college football and your stream and thought I'd see what the conversion was to MPH. I was surprised.

Even at 200 Km PH is 124 mph club head speed which would rank very high on the PGA tour as I am sure you are well aware of.

I guess I am starting to wonder if how a person tapes their clubs or what turf the top they have or any other variable might be the cause of the wild swing speeds we see here and not so much malice.

No need to say sorry. As I said I was wondering how it was not brought up before. I even had a 224 in the second round. We all know that is ridiculous, but I don't see why I should be dialing down my speeds if nobody else is. Before this live stuff I was using 93% as my driver speed. Sure... It was more realistic. This subject was discussed at length a few weeks ago and I gave my ten cents then too.

You also brought up other variables. I have a thought...I have the feeling that a lower tee might have an impact on the club head speed with the driver. I think others should try it to verify. Not a huge difference but maybe +2-3% or something.

As I said. I can run a proper HDcam sometime if needed.

[Dorba]

I've noticed that at 100% Ican hit my driver 300 yds at 110 mph. I'm 64 years old and there is no way I can get 110mph. I used golf sense to check what it said and I had to reduce speed to 85% to even get close to the speed I got from golf sense. Hey but if everybody wants to play at 100% I can move back LOL

[Buckeye]

No need to say sorry. As I said I was wondering how it was not brought up before. I even had a 224 in the second round. We all know that is ridiculous, but I don't see why I should be dialing down my speeds if nobody else is.

The apology I guess was for bringing it up right before you tee off. I wasn't trying to "get in your head". I appreciate the explanation you did pre round on twitch.

You shouldn't. It brings up a possible solution to the entire problem though and that is regulating club head speeds. Say we put a max club head speed of 110-115-120 mph (and the same on metric), while allowing the "occasional" shot over that. I think that would effectively bring us all to the same level playing field regardless of set up while completely distancing ourselves from policing a swing speed percentage as we are now.

In reality it is only a matter of time before someone comes along and says that 100% is not enough for them on the driver and claim they need a boost. Monitoring the club speed reading, instead of the club speed percentage, would allow someone to go over 100% if they need to for some reason.

This is just a suggestion, and I hope it is one that the board discusses. I think doing this would allow put us all on the same playing field and is the only realistic solution.

You also brought up other variables. I have a thought...I have the feeling that a lower tee might have an impact on the club head speed with the driver. I think others should try it to verify. Not a huge difference but maybe +2-3% or something.

As I said. I can run a proper HDcam sometime if needed.

I don't need you to put up an HDcam, but I don't believe you swing in the 130's either. I think it is a system flaw and with so many individual variables it will be difficult to have everyone identical. The best solution I can come up with is what I outlined above.

I have only had my cage set up for a few days, but I will say that if I tee the ball up high, as I do in real life, I get an impressive 30 yard drive. I think that the sensor reads the tee as it is flying instead of the club as it passes by. I encountered this error the final round of the last tournament at least 5 or 6 times. I went to the range afterwards and played around with the tee height and have determined for me not to get that particular error I must tee the ball up low, so roughly a third or less of the ball above the club face at address. In the real world I use 4 inch tee's and stick them in the ground only enough to stand straight up.

[MatalaWedge]

I have a golfsense swing analyser. I put it on and had a few swings with the driver on the range before I came to bed. I switched to mph to make the numbers easier. This was the results. The last two swings I gave it all I had left. 1. Opti 121 gs 118 2. Opti 125 gs 119 3. Opti 128 gs 122 4. Opti 134 gs 130 5. Opti 121 gs 116 The word on the street ( http://www.golfwrx.com/150758/review...wing-analyzer/ ) is that even the golfsense is +3-4mph. I guess we are looking at around +8-11 mph for Opti then. I can try and get a better sample size 2mrw.

[Maxxx]

Wow ! Those are fast swings Nick ! I'm in the jelous camp with the Cat 😅 If I swing out of my shoes wildly I can only get it to about 107 mph but a regular hard swing my average is about 102 ish. Great rounds dude ! Keep it up 😲

I have a golfsense swing analyser. I put it on and had a few swings with the driver on the range before I came to bed. I switched to mph to make the numbers easier. This was the results. The last two swings I gave it all I had left. 1. Opti 121 gs 118 2. Opti 125 gs 119 3. Opti 128 gs 122 4. Opti 134 gs 130 5. Opti 121 gs 116 The word on the street ( http://www.golfwrx.com/150758/review...wing-analyzer/ ) is that even the golfsense is +3-4mph. I guess we are looking at around +8-11 mph for Opti then. I can try and get a better sample size 2mrw.

[Buckeye]

I have a golfsense swing analyser. I put it on and had a few swings with the driver on the range before I came to bed. I switched to mph to make the numbers easier. This was the results. The last two swings I gave it all I had left. 1. Opti 121 gs 118 2. Opti 125 gs 119 3. Opti 128 gs 122 4. Opti 134 gs 130 5. Opti 121 gs 116 The word on the street ( http://www.golfwrx.com/150758/review...wing-analyzer/ ) is that even the golfsense is +3-4mph. I guess we are looking at around +8-11 mph for Opti then. I can try and get a better sample size 2mrw.

Thank you for testing.

8-10 mph is about 10%

The 119-122 is still very high.

I am simply trying to find a long term and reasonable solution to an obvious problem. The error may even be simply using the metric system in game, I don't know I have not tried that but your speeds using mph seem more realistic, even though they are still high imo.

[JohnMeyer]

It's all so setup specific it will be so hard to give a good range of guidance. Ultimately as we've said with the putter thing only the player can know what distance they normally hit and should try and recreate that as best they can, if they so wish

My driver swing speed is pretty much spot on to be fair, average around 102 up to 104-107 when fully unwinding. Highest I've ever hit was 114 using a teed up hybrid 3i. When was fitted for new driver in November came out at pretty much those figures. I then tweaked the distance setting to reflect the yardage for those swing speeds from some trackman data I found for the x2hot. Which again was pretty true for my real life swing, with driver distances of around 260 to 265 total.

I also hit all clubs very high so when wind is a factor obviously get either increase or decrease in distance, but I don't change it as IRL I don't believe I possess the ability to do it and maintain steady swing

Also I find swing speed increases when hitting off a tee compared to hit off the mat, possibly due to ball /club resistance against turf, again as I have a steep angle of attack hence why I throw it up so high

[MrHogan]

I've noticed that at 100% Ican hit my driver 300 yds at 110 mph. I'm 64 years old and there is no way I can get 110mph. I used golf sense to check what it said and I had to reduce speed to 85% to even get close to the speed I got from golf sense. Hey but if everybody wants to play at 100% I can move back LOL

Thats in line with my experience too. I used to have my driver on 82 or 84% to get realistic distances I cant quite remember what it was now.
And imho that must be the same for everyone else too, though folks always err on the side of the longer shot for their average.
Talk of someone needing to increase beyond 100% to reflect their real game is fantasy. I also cant see how or why you would want to impose a limit on swing speeds thats the fast swinging players advantage (id say they also suffer from greater dispersion too). I stream every round and before i tee off i demonstrate the ball and club settings, i also include a webcam of my swing. This is my insurance policy should i ever shoot a low score and come under suspicion.
Personally id rather play my realistic distances but its impossible to police so 100% seems the only way, we could all agree to a lower value like 85% but you can imagine the length of debate that would cause..

[Buckeye]

I also cant see how or why you would want to impose a limit on swing speeds thats the fast swinging players advantage (id say they also suffer from greater dispersion too).

Basically what I am suggesting is we set a baseline for the maximum displayed swing speed in game for woods. Then it would be up to each user to adjust their speed with the in game settings so that they do not consistently exceed that number.

For example, if the board decides that the driver swing speed can not exceed 115 mph (which would rank around 60 on the PGA tour) it would be up to each user to dial their driver speed back via the in game settings to meet that display number on the course. Then we would all at least be playing roughly the same swing speed in game and the winners would be determined by how accurate one is.

There is a small scenario where some people might need to increase (go over 100%) to meet the display number agreed to. For example, if you swing out of your shoes and only reach 105 mph, increase over 100% to get a display to read near 115 mph as my hypothetical above describes.