To be real or not to be real?

[Maverick]

Set Optishot for real life distances or not?

[JohnMeyer]

Catman and Buckeye

Just to confirm 3 wood and 5 wood settings. Speed setting needs to be the same as your Driver setting depending on your ball and turf type. We have had mixed results here. Those with average swing speeds, ie 95 to 105 seem to find 100%D is spot on, whereas those in the 110 range seem to have to reduce to 90% or even 85% D. I would say we need to be sensible here. I would class them the same as we currently do the Driver, set them to correct Speed and then set to correct distance. If evidence shows people are hitting 3 wood because its longer than there Driver due to incorrectly setting these Distance setting then that is straight up cheating in my book, and if your gonna cheat just set ya pitching wedge to 500%, to me its the same thing.

We can look at this but there quite a subjective club I think.

Mike and Willymakit

To befair to Willy I was initially expecting those of you hitting real balls on thick turf to require a Speed % Increase. As has been tested this doesnt appear to be the case, which I find odd as using a thick turf with a foam ball on the foam ball setting clearly lowers the speed read by Optishot. From you figures Willy it seems whilst it is reading your drive 10mph slow it is only showing your yardage 10 yards short. With a ratio of 2.5 if we increased your Speed % to get you your 10mph Swing Speed increase you would gain 25 yards, not 10 so be 15 yards too long.

As you have external evidence to back this up simply get the video / print out from HD golf stating your Swing Speed Average, not your best, but your average over say 20 swings, and your average Distance over those Swings and if Board accept it as evidence under rule 8 you could be allowed a custom setup, which I would say would result in an increase in Swing % to probably 105%, and a Distance % reduction to probably 85% in order to keep your ratio at the correct level .

From your HD data if your averaging 285 Optishot needs to reading your Swing speed at 114 so actually only reading it only slightly slow, and to Average 285 I would say you are hitting further than the vast majority on here and as such the guidelines may be a bit restrictive on you.

I believe AurinCoynen may also fall into this category as he too has a powerful swing speed up towards 120 and again under rule 8 if you Aurin feel the guideline settings don't provide real world Distances then as long as evidence to back this up can be submitted the request can be dealt with on a case by case basis.

The guidelines have been throughly tested now and for 95% of people hopefully they will be OK and provide pretty near results. They may not be absolutely perfect, but up until now you have all be using settings that were FAR from perfect so has to be a bit of compromise, however Rule 8 will be in place to allow any modification should you be able to prove it is required.

As to to what the board will accept as evidence for a change under Rule 8 that is not my remit or decision. As really are not whether these proposed rules, become rules but hope they do as for many many of us I think it will bring a far more realistic level of gameplay

[JohnMeyer]

Good deals on used ones.


http://golfsimulatorforum.com/forum/...olf-simulators

I think this is a point to remember with all this... Willy swing speed is off by say 4mph give or take a a few, distance is 10 yards off give or take a few.. on a $400 Sim

Might move to Protee - A good deal on the Protee.. $4000 plus projector PC, and screen (i know youve prob got some of this but even still), and comparing against an HD Golf Sim - $40,000

Up to you mate, If you can justify the spend then no doubt the higher up the SIM chain you go I would hope the better they get, (not necessarily, I dont know) but the point Im making is yes, for probably most of us the SIm is very slightly off, for you probably a bit more so, but rule in place to address that hopefully

I think that with these settings when it comes to value for money Optishot is very very good and would suggest you just go with the settings, and then get your evidence to apply under Rule 8

[MatalaWedge]

Catman and Buckeye I believe AurinCoynen may also fall into this category as he too has a powerful swing speed up towards 120 and again under rule 8 if you Aurin feel the guideline settings don't provide real world Distances then as long as evidence to back this up can be submitted the request can be dealt with on a case by case basis.

I'll play by the rules. Not going to make an example out of myself. I have said that my gut tells me it has to be short. If the evidence is there then it's there. I would be going against my principles in life if I were to go against the evidence on this one. I will be adding a gs true swing speed reading to all my broadcasts from now on. (Just as long as my wife and kids let me have the ipad for a few hours...) if in the long run (hundreds of swings) I can show an average swing speed of say 117 average and am still averaging only say 2.1x ss I will think again. For now I'm cool with whatever the guidelines say. Edit. JM: I'll try and get hold of you when I do it. Might even be able squeeze an hour of testing this evening from 7pm gmt - - - - > Depends on family life again....

[JohnMeyer]

Aurin, I think you were short when 89 90, this 93 88 should hopefully give you a correct distance but may well show your swing speed on Optishot a bit higher than the your GS shows but be good to hear how you get on with it.

Next time you go on and have a hit let me know as Id like to view your stream

[JohnMeyer]

if in the long run (hundreds of swings) I can show an average swing speed of say 117 average and am still averaging only say 2.1x ss I will think again. For now I'm cool with whatever the guidelines say. Edit. JM: I'll try and get hold of you when I do it. Might even be able squeeze an hour of testing this evening from 7pm gmt - - - - > Depends on family life again....

It'll be interesting to see what comes out of your testing. I'll do my prediction now. Will give you an average swing speed of 121 and and distance 297.

Now I know you do swing big and having seen your gs you prob swing more 117 average and average more like 285,290

Results will tell us all we need to know

[Joe_S]

Did a massive testing session with Catman... think these follwoing numbers could be golden

[B]Current Positon

1. Real Ball, Stock Turf - 100% Speed, 90% Distance................100% Confident in this setting. Fully tested by Catman, Myself and Buckeye an others

2. Real Ball, Thick Turf - 100% Speed 90% Distance................ 100% Confident Fully tested with Mike and John.

3. Foam Ball, Stock Turf - 93% Speed, 88% Distance......This needs testing but Catman did a direct swap between Real and Foam and this yielded identical results between the 2

4. Foam Ball, Thick Turf - 98% Speed, 90% Distance.......100% Confident, Maxxx Catman and Vega tested

5. No Ball Setting - 100% Speed 90% Distance...........100% Confident Tested with IAN HOGGARD and another whos name I forget, ratios and swing speeds seem spot on.

...

Really need Auri and Joe to test the 93 Speed, 88 Distance setting. May well be that Swing Speed Number slightly off for you Auri, as you may well come in the category of a "special circumstance as in Rule 8, but hopefully the distances will be good.

Please those of you who hit foam balls on stock turf please try 93, 88 as once that confirmed we've got ourselves some stock numbers we can all use !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I believe in 93S 88D as myself and Catman did direct results, ie he hit real ball stock turf, driver setting 100S 90 D and was getting average 100 mph Speed, 248 Distance. Swapped to foam ball, change setting on opti to foam ball, driver setting to 93S 88D and was getting 100mph 250 yards

Watched the stream to verify numbers... Please please can some people try this so I can have my life back lol

I don't think the settings fit to everyones swing exactly. If the ratio is the thing we're looking for, then I'm calculating backwards: In real life my drive distances are about 240 to 250 yards in average, so my swing speed should be about 100mph (unfortunately I don't know my real life driver swing speed, any experience here with this SS?). So I'm going to bring the settings to a Optishot SS of about 100 mph and then set the distance to the right one. Will test this...

A short testing with no ball settings with my swing: No drive was shorter than 270 yards. So I will play with no ball... ;-) Could be my driver swing with long tee is like one with thick turf. This could be the setting for me...

[MatalaWedge]

I'll post this here too....

6. If using a 3 wood instead of Driver due to Height Restrictions Use Identical settings to those you would normally use as per your ball and turf setup above. Strangely physically hitting a 3 wood makes no difference... 100% confident in this after extensive testing[/B]

Not strange to me. My gs thinks I'm hitting a driver every shot as I'm not really interested in the irons speed. Hitting a firm (like I mean it) 8iron will display 112-114mph for me. It calculates the club head from hand speed and shaft length... I know it's not the same thing here but same principal.... Optishot is being lied to in the same way... It thinks you are hitting a 45" driver... The shaft is often only 1" shorter on 3 wood and the difference in speed will be so small that it will be very hard to measure...

[John D]

Depends on club manufacturer, some of the newer drivers are 46" or more in length with 3w coming in around 43" or so. I am a club maker and spend a lot of time shortening drivers to a more hit able length between 44-45"

[John D]

When building a driver I typically never make them any longer than 44"

[fhann]

I finally alerted myself that the GolfSense monitor is the one that is attached to one's golf glove. There is a tremendous amount of possibility for error in readings from this sensor. I have much more confidence in fixed location swing speed monitors such as the Swing Speed Sensor, (which I have),

http://www.sportssensors.com/products/swing-speed-radar-with-tempo-timer/

ES12 etc.

I have the Swingbyte 1 and 2 sensors that are attached to the shaft of the club. There is less movement and chance for error when they are properly attached to the shaft of the club then when a sensor is attached to the back of the golf glove. Even still I do put much stock into some of the the output data on swingspeed analytics of the Swingbyte. and less so for the GolfSense. There is a multitude of information about Swingbyte and other similar sensors that can be viewed on the Ottawa Golf Forum and the general consensus is slightly negative. Within my golf fitting associations, AGCP and ICG, the clubfitters generally agree that the Swingbyte, GolfSense, and attachable sensors have flaws that do not lend themselves well to our use.

My greatest confidence is placed with my Flightscope X2 for swing analystics and I use it as a benchmark to test and calibrate all of my other sensors and simulators.

I do not wish this to upset Aurincoynen but I wanted to point out the possible weak points with the swing speed data that he has from his self testing.

[CatMan]

Catman and Buckeye

Just to confirm 3 wood and 5 wood settings. Speed setting needs to be the same as your Driver setting depending on your ball and turf type. We have had mixed results here. Those with average swing speeds, ie 95 to 105 seem to find 100%D is spot on, whereas those in the 110 range seem to have to reduce to 90% or even 85% D. I would say we need to be sensible here. I would class them the same as we currently do the Driver, set them to correct Speed and then set to correct distance. If evidence shows people are hitting 3 wood because its longer than there Driver due to incorrectly setting these Distance setting then that is straight up cheating in my book, and if your gonna cheat just set ya pitching wedge to 500%, to me its the same thing.

Players still need to stay within Max on Speed on Woods 100/100 It can be lower, but until further Testing is done we need to stay within that standard....

[CatMan]

Gents the only thing being looked at here is the Driver.... Once we have some agreement within the Thread, the Board will look at and Test to see if it holds up... I don't see why it shouldn't but that remains to be seen and if not will be backed up with facts....

We will be using the Outline John Meyer made up for the Driver from all testing performed for the up coming Ryder Cup to Test it. Most Board members are participating in Ryder Cup and it will be a good testing ground... I think we should be able to give it a Thumbs Up or Down regarding Driver Setting by completion.

The next thing we need to look at is requiring Video or have a Video / non Video League or half points non video or what ever....... But a Video discussion on a Separate Thread would be Great..

The other Woods need more Testing, The current Guidelines must be adhere too, until we invest time in testing..... like stated in above thread....

Thanks Everyone for your work....

[MatalaWedge]

I finally alerted myself that the GolfSense monitor is the one that is attached to one's golf glove. There is a tremendous amount of possibility for error in readings from this sensor. I have much more confidence in fixed location swing speed monitors such as the Swing Speed Sensor, (which I have), http://www.sportssensors.com/product...h-tempo-timer/ ES12 etc. I have the Swingbyte 1 and 2 sensors that are attached to the shaft of the club. There is less movement and chance for error when they are properly attached to the shaft of the club then when a sensor is attached to the back of the golf glove. Even still I do put much stock into some of the the output data on swingspeed analytics of the Swingbyte. and less so for the GolfSense. There is a multitude of information about Swingbyte and other similar sensors that can be viewed on the Ottawa Golf Forum and the general consensus is slightly negative. Within my golf fitting associations, AGCP and ICG, the clubfitters generally agree that the Swingbyte, GolfSense, and attachable sensors have flaws that do not lend themselves well to our use. My greatest confidence is placed with my Flightscope X2 for swing analystics and I use it as a benchmark to test and calibrate all of my other sensors and simulators. I do not wish this to upset Aurincoynen but I wanted to point out the possible weak points with the swing speed data that he has from his self testing.

Well aware of this. It has been discussed on the forum previously. Thanks anyway for thorough info. I basically know what my swing speed is anyway. I'm just getting a second opinion from it for every swing to compare with optishot. I'm mainly using it as I know it is much more consistent than the optishot when it comes to speed. I know the only way to know the precise numbers is Trackman or flightscope but in my case it's better than nothing. It's a ballpark figure... That all. To our dismay optishot is not up for even that all the time.

[Buckeye]

The next thing we need to look at is requiring Video or have a Video / non Video League or half points non video or what ever....... But a Video discussion on a Separate Thread would be Great..

The "New Era for OptiShot" thread is more or less focused on the video conversation. Check it out and give your input.

[Buckeye]

My greatest confidence is placed with my Flightscope X2 for swing analystics and I use it as a benchmark to test and calibrate all of my other sensors and simulators.

You are an asset to our community. Do you happen to own an OptiShot that you could compare with Flightscope X2 to confirm our testing is reasonable?

Thank you for your thoughtful input regarding this discussion.