FedEx cup points.

[keither5150]

I have been waiting for the FedEx cup points to disappear and start over. I guess that there is bigger fish to fry. Before we start another FedEx cup season, maybe we can have a discussion of how it is going to work. Start date end date.... etc. I have to be honest..... I don't know 100% the ins and outs of the PGA FedEx cup.... other than the prize is 10 million. Are points to be given out like they are now? Net score. Do we include gross score somehow....if so how? Or do we wait for TGC2?

Now that we have well over 100 players.... it might be a good idea to start it over. I think that I am leading the FedEx cup because I have clearly played the most rounds. All of those 20 points sure add up. I have also made big improvements from the time that I started.

I think that we should start from scratch so that the next most improved player can be at the top....

[Bnorman58]

Well, this kind of got crickets. That's very sporting of you being the leader. I think they should be reset to whatever the starting point for the wrap around tour or whatever that is. So maybe not from 0 but from late last year.

[keither5150]

Maybe keep it in line with the Pros. It just seems that it's been 16 or 17 months.

[keither5150]

I don't think that we have ever discussed it. When they built the tour site..... it was there. I have been expecting it to end.... With 60 -100 players in every event, it could bring another competitive aspect to the tour and encourage players not to miss an event. Currently nobody has a chance to catch the top 3 as long as they keep playing. Points have been calculated over the past 60 events or so. Maybe it should start in the Oct season and go to next October or even shorter. I would like to see where I stack up against the full field.

[DukeJF]

I was also wondering how it worked, I had searched in past about how Fed Ex cup/ world rankings were calculated etc and never found something. I would think something similar to the big boys would work, either a calendar year that completely resets like the fex ex cup, or something that take the last 12 to 24 months of play cumulative into consideration like the official world rankings. Obviously stuff can be done, it's just a matter of what we want developers etc focusing on.

[DukeJF]

I'm been thinking about this a little bit. Do we have enough guys on here now to do scratch tournaments and seasons. It's nice that we have the net results so everyone has a chance to play and compete, but are we to a point where we have enough decent guys on here that we can do a Scratch Division where it's not just weekly gross results but have gross standings etc. It would be nice to have a level playing field and track the fed ex points and standing over a longer period than just the two or three rounds of gross golf we get in a weekly tourney. Any thoughts?

[keither5150]

I don't think that ProTee will want different tournaments. Perhaps we can do a better job separating the gross from the Net. Or at least have them equal. Net means points as there are no extra points for Gross. This needs some more discussion. Now that my handicap has gone down further..... my goals are now to be in the top ten for gross score.

[DukeJF]

Ya I don' think it has to be a separate event, but some cumulative standings etc that reflect just gross standings I think can be worked with the current data. IE this week were a top ten gross placement barely qualifies you for anything in the standings.

[rsuslow]

Any thoughts on flights?

[DukeJF]

keither5150 any traction on this or any of the other changes discussed like gross season standings etc?

[keither5150]

ProTee hasn't commented on it. The people at the top have played the most rounds.... And points were given out back when there were only 20-30 people playing on the tour..... We have grown so much and the Fed Ex cup race would be an additional cool thing to add to the tour. It would be cool if we came up with a proposal to take to ProTee.

[Vincent_Vega]

Would like to see this as well. At this point, there's no incentive to play in every tournament. Shouldn't be that hard to just reset it at the start of every new winter and summer season. A world ranking reset would be nice as well, now that the tour is significantly bigger as you mentioned. Protee said the gross standings and rankings would be added to the website, but that was 5 or 6 months ago so I don't anticipate that happening at this point.

[keither5150]

@ Vincent...Ok.... I just read up on the Fed Ex cup. It seems that maybe the Fed Ex cup points should be a gross score thing. Currently the gross winner gets points based on his net score. Sure they show a gross leaderboard but it means nothing. A player like yourself who is a -6 handicap will hardly ever win an event. If we ran the Fed Ex cup points separate from the current tour points, it could provide the incentive needed for the top players to feel like they are competing. No offence but you have no chance beating a decent player who just started and is on his 5th event.

The current tour is left untouched.... points collected based on net score to determine the winner of the current tour.

So here is what I suggest.....
Fed ex cup points handed out based on gross score.
Start point and end point defined. ( this could be over 25-30 events or more)
At the end point the top 100 players enter the playoffs.
The four playoff tournaments are:

• The Barclays (100 golfers in the field)
• Deutsche Bank Championship (75 golfers in the field)
• BMW Championship (50 golfers in the field)
• Tour Championship (25 golfers in the field)

We can play the same courses as the pros if available.

How much fun is it going to be trying to make the cut.

You could maybe make it interesting by having the top 5 players get a by directly to the final.

We could play with the above numbers so that 2/3 of the tour players make the playoffs. If you had 100% of the tour players in the playoffs, there would be no incentive to play every event. This is a great goal for all players ... the good and the bad. The less experience players would have the goal of just making the playoffs and hopefully to the next round.... whereas the top players would be shooting for a spot in the top 5 so they could get a by to the final Tour Championship. The exact number of players making the playoffs could change based on the number of players currently playing the tour.

It's important to set goals when trying to improve your game. My first 6 months.... it was fix my slice......Done! Then it was work on the short game..... Not quite there yet, but I am showing improvement. Then it was finish in the top 10 for gross score..... done....sometimes. Now I am working on shot shaping..... I can do it most of the time, but it's not as easy as the YouTube videos make it look. If we ran a Fed Ex cup race similar to the pros...... it would add a lot to the tour.

Okay..... I know that not everyone will love this idea. But currently the best players are sometimes 30 spots down the leader board after shooting sub par rounds. There is zero incentive for the top players to compete. The current tour stays the same and the most improved player will climb their way to the top until their handicap goes down... Then they can shift focus to the Fed ex cup race.

We still only have one tour.... Just the Fed Ex cup playoffs will be additional.



How's that for incentive to play?

[DirtyGarry24]

I really like the idea of gross score counting towards the Fed Ex Cup. I'm not effected much by my handicap (yet) in the tourneys, but I hope to be when/if I get my ish together. At some point, the guy shooting the lowest score needs to win something. Right?

[keither5150]

I totally agree. People set up a sim to improve their golf game. The current tour is set up for the most improved player, which is great since this is why people set up sims in the first place. But as one improves to a higher level, the current tour kind of puts them out to pasture and then they lose interest. My proposal for Fed Ex cup points would be over and above of what is currently done on the tour. The current tour won't change. Fed Ex cup points would just in addition. The current points could be referred to as Tour Points. If ProTee is worried about the 30% or so of the players that won't make the playoffs, they could have a Web.com event for them. The Web.com event could even be the same courses as the Fed Ex playoffs. That way, nobody is left out. Still gross scoring but sort of a second flight. The more that I think about this idea, the more I love it. As new player improve they move up the ladder to the FedEx cup. Okay.... so you ( not meaning you Gary) are on the Web.com event.... That's where I would have been for the first 4 months of getting TGC. During the first 4 months, my goal was not to be in the bottom 1/2 of the tour. I was not always successful.

In about a year, the tour has gone from about 40 players to hundreds. With sims becoming more affordable all the time, I can see us doubling the numbers over the next year. The tour needs to evolve to keep everyone interested and motivated to play.

I also have an idea about awarding a green hoody with 2017 TGC masters champion on the back for the masters..... anyone own a silk screening company?

[Bnorman58]

With all due respect, I do not agree with gross score and hear me out. Yes, the point is to improve your game and this has helped me do it. We also know that most of us reach a point where we are maxed out. We do not want to exclude all but 10 players and give the tour to the Vincent Vega's. My idea is to have a max handicap. I will throw the number 4 out there. Let me start by saying I am a 6 so this is not self serving. I will get to 4 and if not I will play at a four if I want to play with the big boys. If not, I propose we have something similar to the web.com tour. People can work on their games and compete without making you guys face a 20 handicapper that throws together 2 good rounds.
everything else, I agree with.
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