Archery netting as impact screen

[bennyg211]

I've taken he plunge and bought 4m X 2.7m heavy duty archery grade netting to use as an impact screen, since the net holes are small (they have to stop an arrow). I have also thought I can also hang a white sheet behind it if the projected image bleed leads to shadowing. I plan to install in my garage at the door end as a curtain that retracts and goes along the wall, so on a right angled rail or wire. Has anyone had any experience of doing this?



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[Godfather68]

Sorry, I have no experience of the other types of screens to comment on how loud or soft the noise is. All I can say is I find it hard to see how it could be less noisy than mine is, given how fast the ball is going by the time it hits the screen, there is a noise. Let me investigate, friend of mine had a sound meter app on his iPhone, I will see if I can measure some shots and then give you some data points to compare to your setup. Won't be until weekend though I am afraid.

[jrz]

No worries, I appreciate the effort. I'll do some sound measuring myself this weekend so we can compare.

[Godfather68]

Used Decibel 10th app on an iPhone 6, measured at about 14ft from screen and phone shows max of 95db, when my son hitting his driver, I would say the sound of the club on ball is louder than the ball on screen. Sorry can't be more helpful.

[V8burble]

I also use an archery baffle net as my screen and the sound of the driver hitting the ball is considerably louder than the ball hitting the screen which is extremely quiet in my setup.

[Dax]

This matches my experience with my hq screen backed up with archery netting. Driver hitting ball is loud, but hitting the screen is not that loud at all (kind of a cushioning sound more than anything).

[jrz]

Godfather68 thanks for testing. I downloaded the same app and placed my phone about the same distance away from my impact screen. I hit PW, 7i, 3H and driver and every shot was between 95 and 99db. I always thought the most noise came from the ball hitting the screen but I am starting to think that I am wrong.

[Godfather68]

jrz I found it very difficult to be sure what was what on the iphone screen, in my case as I have no carpet on my floor yet, I was seeing a spike, followed almost immediatley by a second, followed by a third, which I took to be ball on driver, followed by ball on screen, followed by ball on floor. I then to test got my son to throw the ball (which is obviously much slower) directly at the screen and I am sure that the screen thud is at about the 95db level and it is less than the TaylorMade driver on the Srixon AD333 ball. I would imagine that the different driver/ball combinations will also have some impact on the level of the sound.

Not sure it is all that scientific, but I am feeling like it shows that our screens are probably not our largest factor in reducing the noice of our setups!

[goatbarn]

I'd say that the lower pitch thud of the screen travels through walls much easier than the high pitch impact of the driver on ball.

My wife complained about me playing in the garage while she was sleeping upstairs (right above garage).

I tried everything I could think of to make the sound of my HQ screen backed with net and PR20, to no avail. Now, when she's sleeping, I put up a little piece of triangular shaped netting in front of my screen, such that I can see an unobstructed view of the screen, but the ball hits the net instead of the screen.

Obviously I'm still hitting the ball with my driver, and she no longer hears anything. Not even the sound of the ball hitting the driver.

So it has something to do with the type of loud sound, being the lower thud sound of the ball hitting the screen travels much easier through the walls up to our room. Now I can truly sneak out there and if she's asleep there is nothing to stop me from playing through the night.

I think the HQ screen is too tightly knit (which is why it has a great picture) to be "quite". The PR20 or other woven archery type screens are less tight, and thus are much quieter at impact.

I did stumbled upon something that quieted the HQ screen dramatically though....backing it up (tight) with open faced insulation. I thought I was golden until mthunt reminded me that the fiberglass in the insulation will be pulverized into tiny glass micro-dust, which is not something I want to inhale.

[m3w]

Is your screen attached directly to the walls/ceiling? Or is it attached to a stand-alone cage? If it's attached to the structure, then it will always transfer noise through the walls. Regardless of the screen you use. You need to isolate the vibrations from the structure in some way.

[ForeLeft]

Ah the wife sleeping test I just failed that the other day. Wife was sleeping in the bedroom on the 2nd floor on the other side of the house and I had just hit a few 8 irons and got a call - "What are you doing?" I have the Supertex screen attached to the frame and netting behind it. The sound being made was a dull thud of the ball hitting the screen - nothing too loud. But it still made it all the way up to our bedroom with doors closed.

I am going to try the net trick - that sounds like a good plan

[goatbarn]

That's a good point m3w, as yes, it is attached via 2'x4' to the back wall of my garage. This summer I plan on redoing the net/screen setup with noise in mind.

I plan on sandwiching some polyester batting between my HQ screen and backup net. I think this may be the best combo to minimize the thump.

If that fails, I may go back to the PR20, who knows.

[Tommyseb]

Hi guys,

i'm about to take the plunge on a Skytrak (just as soon as the TGC / PG integration details / pricing are released), i'll be installing it in my single garage so space is obviously fairly limited, i can swing a club without restriction although the ball will be offset from the centre of the screen. at present i don't have a projector so will be using a monitor (not to hit into ). My questions to you experts are...

1) with regard to the archery baffle net, i am planning on having this secured using the wire method along the top and down right side, and then a pole in the seam on the bottom and then on the left side secured to the wall with removable bungie type clips, i imagine this will hopefully reduce the wrinkles in the screen?

2) with the screen secured as above will i be peppered by rebounding golf balls. i'm not sure how the ball reacts on a archery baffle that is taut.

3) with repeating hitting in the same area of the baffle screen does it "warp" the screen as i've seen on my instructors hitting net?

4) i see lots of people have another net right behind the archery baffle, is this purely for screen bleed? and can you explain what screen bleed is as i'm new to projectors and screens .

5) regarding a projector, would the difference between 1080p and 720p be as visible on a archery baffle net as it would be on a dedicated screen?

Thanks all

[goatbarn]

1. Wrinkles are pretty easily eliminated by using MINIMAL tension. That said, archery netting is prone to "pucker" marks, nothing to be done about that. I would have the flexible attachment be on the bottom rather than 1 side. Instead of a pole, maybe a heavy chain. The less rigid attachments your net has, the longer it'll last. Also the quieter it'll be, but I think in this application, this would be negligible amount. I'd go wire on top, wire on right side attached to screen with bungies, chain on bottom and bungies on left side to wall. Sounds like a temp type setup, so when you're not using it you just un-bungies one side and push it over.

2. If you use MINIMAL tension, bounce back will be nothing to worry about.

3. Yes, see pucker mark comment above.

4. Archery netting is a woven fabric with a lot of bleed through. This is why it's not as loud as a higher quality screen, but also why the image isn't as nice. A white/grey backing immediately behind the screen will improve the image quality by stopping the bleed through close to the screen itself. The usual goal of netting backing is for longevity of your screen, to spread the load of impact to a more cheaper material = netting.

5. No. Go 720p with archery netting.

[Tommyseb]

Great thanks for the info, a chain definately makes more sense, even just from the logistical challenge of inserting a long metal pole when the screen takes up the entire width of the room.

[mthunt]

It's a crappy option but if you use Almost Golf Balls, the wife won't wake up. With a GC2, you lose about 10%. They suck to hit tho. I also have the HQ. It's as loud as could be.

[goatbarn]

Update on this...

I found that fiberglass insulation, open face out, directly behind the HQ screen was incredible at dampening the sound.

But upon chatting with mthunt, he reminded me that the glass fibers would eventually break down over time into microdust, leading to possible inhalation and all that goes with that.

So I went out looking for a similar material to fiberglass insulation, and after much research and failed attempts (memory foam, carpet padding, impact foam...etc) I found rock wool insulation, which happens to be sold locally here at Home Depot. Also, it was only $40 for about 55 sf!

I zip tied it to my back up netting and voila, much much quieter impact. It passed the wife test, which is the ultimate test of its validity.

Hope that helps any of you.

Ps, nothing, even the wool, was as quiet as placing a net in front of the screen. But it takes a large toll on the emmersivness, that's for sure.

[CBDBOZ]

rock wool insulation.....is that safe to use exposed, or is this in a covering??

[goatbarn]

Safe to use exposed. It is "covered" by means of it's sandwiched between my backup netting, then PR20, then HQ screen. The PR20 more or less is holding the insulation panels in place, as you know, insulation other than rigid foam board is not very structurally sound and would be prone to falling over, breaking apart...etc.

I'm curious to see if the insulation eventually breaks down to point it stops deadening the sound in the impact spot. If that's the case, every so often I'll have to swap some insulation panels for a less impact prone location to the main spot, which will take about 1 min.

[driverdivots]

So if one goes with archery netting with a lot of bleed through, is there a certain supplier that makes a good screen/sheet to hang behind it to prevent so much bleed?

Also, is that what the mesh screen is on par2pro? Just archery netting, so I can expect some bleed through?

[Godfather68]

Not sure where you are based, but in the UK you can buy them already joined together, archery and black backing, see my pictures and posts further up the thread for details.

[dunginhawk]

It's a crappy option but if you use Almost Golf Balls, the wife won't wake up. With a GC2, you lose about 10%. They suck to hit tho. I also have the HQ. It's as loud as could be.

would be nice if the courses and the sim allowed for a 10% or whatever (editable) option for fake balls... so for instance, set the almost golf ball to 10%, and a 300 yard drive shows at 330 when you play. easy enough to do, if you can gauge exactly how much each golf ball takes off

[wanabe]

I've taken he plunge and bought 4m X 2.7m heavy duty archery grade netting to use as an impact screen, since the net holes are small (they have to stop an arrow). I have also thought I can also hang a white sheet behind it if the projected image bleed leads to shadowing. I plan to install in my garage at the door end as a curtain that retracts and goes along the wall, so on a right angled rail or wire. Has anyone had any experience of doing this?



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Anyone else using Archery Netting as their impact screen? This is my plan for my attempt at a first build, saving some cost and knowing I could always upgrade to a dedicated screen later. Intending to go 160” x 90”, or 4m x 3m in the UK. Will hang from angle iron and secure to the sides with bunnies.

i was thinking of hanging white sheeting behind to stop bleed through but black sheeting has been suggested so would appreciate advice.

[Dax]

Others have done this and I believe you should find some comment either this thread or on the forum. It was discussed a few times by one person a few years ago and I had thought they had success. You will need to find someway to deal with the light that does shine through (either with a sheet or perhaps a darkly painted wall), but believe that they thought it was ok. Also suspect you will need a projector with a good lumen output.