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  • Fiberbuilt Performace Mat System - impressons

    Hi all,

    I promised I would write up my impressions of the Fiberbuilt Performance mat system once I had it set up and able to run it through it's paces... I am coming from a 5 year old Monster Turf matt, and was looking for something a little firmer to stand on, and less punishing on my wrists/arms. I had narrowed my choices down to Fiberbuilt or a CCE mat. Here are my impressions of the Fiberbuilt:

    Construction/Materials

    The mat I purchased is the 4x5 Single Sided Performance Mat here: http://www.fiberbuilt.com/golf/produ...nce-mat-nylon/

    This set up is substantial. Comes with 4 heavy rubber frame like base sections. Styrofoam squares fit into the rubber frames for stability. It also comes with a 3' x 1' hitting strip also very heavy, and a 4x4 stance mat that is very similar to a CCE, and can be hit off of as well. It's a good concept and makes it much lighter for shipping. The whole setup is heavy enough not to slide around when assembled, and is very well contstructed. The panels are held together at the corners and center by zip ties. I love that this thing is industrial quality stuff.

    Things I didn't like - the zip ties were horrible. I swear half the package didn't secure well, so wasted half of them. No worries, there were plenty of extra. Also, it's not a portable or movable setup. If you need to move it out of the way regularly, this just won't work on its own. The rubber base is flimsy, and the foam panels will pop right out if you try to lift or slide it out of the way... additionally is very heavy, and not easy to move. What I did was secure the rubber panels to a 4x5 platform that's about 2" high. I used some drywall screws and large washers, and drove the screws inside the existing holes where the zip ties secure the panels together, with large washers to hold the mat in place, and then used some duct tape to secure the foam panels in the base. I have caster wheels on one side of the platform, so I can tilt up the entire mat system, and wheel it to the side of my garage where I can lean it against the wall. Works fine.. but I need to find a better way to hold the stance mat in place when moving it... The hitting strip easily pulls out and I can store that out of the way easily.

    Cost
    The system cost me $300 shipped direct from Fiberbuilt on holiday special pricing. A very fair price given other high quality mat systems.

    Performance
    The stance mat is great. It's firm enough to feel stable and hit off of. Much improved from my Monster Turf that was quite squishy under foot. This mat is soft, but not squishy. Very similar to a CCE feel. The hitting strip fiber material is also very good. I was worried about a few things before purchase. First that the long fibers would not be very stiff, and the ball would sink in, and grounding my club behind the ball at setup would be very difficult if the fibers aren't stiff enough. Second, I was concerned that I would not be able to feel poor strikes (fat shots in particular) given all the comments I have read on how overly forgiving the fiberbuilt hitting material can be. Both concerns were put to rest. The long grass like fibers in the hitting strip are very very firm/stiff. The ball sits up very nicely, and I can gently ground my club behind the ball without it sinking into the fibers or anything. I can easily tell when I hit a shot fat, and actually at times, it almost feels a little more punishing than my Monster Turf when I really dig in and hit a shot steep and fat given the hard plastic bottom the turf is secured into. Granted if I bottom out my club to the base material, it was a HORRIBLE fat shot!... it's rare this occurrs, and a swing that bad deserves to be punished!

    At any rate, this hitting strip is wonderful. It feels fairly realistic, and I get good distance and accurate spin numbers from what I can tell when using my SkyTrak. What I like most about this material is the ability to hit hybrid and fairway woods off this material. It was very difficult hitting woods/hybrids off the monster tee. Feels much more realistic hitting woods off the fiberbuilt material.. much less "bounce" off the mat surface than with the Monster Tee turf I had before. The fibers also don't "grab" the club as aggressively which is nice!

    The hitting strip comes with several holes for a rubber tee or rubber adustible tee. I have used an adjustible tee in the tee holes and it works well, but with the SkyTrak it is a bit of a pain moving the SkyTrak around to use the tee hole when hitting driver, then move it again to hit irons off the ground away from the tee holes... so I purchased some Tomahawk Tees so I can tee up on those when hitting driver, and not have to move the SkyTrak when hitting irons... to be honest, I'm not that impressed with the Tomahawk Tees when used with the fiberbuilt hitting material. They sink into the fiberbuilt fibers easily, and need to be pressed into the fibers a bit before they become stable enough to hold a ball, and when pressed into the fibers that far, they are too short for my driver. My work around is to stack 3 tomahawk tees together to make it a little higher and this works for now until I can find another/better solution. The fiberbuilt hitting material will not hold a regular tee.

    Summary
    Overall I am very impressed with the Fiberbuilt performance mat system, and very happy with my decision. My concerns around the material being too forgiving for me to notice mishits are certainly put to rest, as I can easily feel when I mis-hit a shot, which is exactly what I wanted. When playing some sim golf, I was penalized an appropriate amount of yardage for fat shots, while being less physically punishing to my wrists and arms. Best of both worlds if you ask me... I do wish it could be a more portable for my particular application, but I don't believe someone like me that needs to use my garage for golf practice, then move my mat out of the way to park my cars, is the target demographic for this setup/system. I can't fault the product for that. It's a substantial mat system that is more likely meant to be used commercially at a range, not moved or transported regularly. If your setup is pretty permanent, you won't have a problem. This setup should be the last mat I need to buy if it holds up as well as I expect it to... the 4x4 stance mat can be rotated to avoid wear, and the three 1x1 foot squares of the hitting strip can also be moved around if any sections start to wear as time goes on, but the hitting surface is rated for 100,000 strikes.. so I don't see myself wearing this out any time soon.

    If anyone has any specific questions or want opinions on anything in particular, I'd be happy to answer what I can... just let me know.
    Last edited by tonybrown32; 12-19-2017, 03:31 PM. Reason: Added link to the mat

  • #16
    Great review, I appreciate it. How do you think this system would work on top of carpet? My SIM is in a carpeted room with a thick pad. The house is brand new and as much as I'd like to remove the carpet, we won't be in it long enough to make it worthwhile. My current hitting mat (fairly standard, can't remember brand) has a foam base which slides around on the carpet and is way too squishy on top of carpet and pad. I'm thinking something with a heavy duty rubber base would work much better which it looks like this has.

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    • #17
      Hi there,

      Well... I would speculate that this mat will work a little better than a foam backed hitting stance/pad over carpet given it's weight... I think it may depend on the thickness or plushness of your carpet... but there may still be some issues.

      The rubber is heavy. There are large cutouts in the rubber, where foam sections are inserted, to give the stance mat some stability while keeping down the weight... it works well, but I could see that perhaps being an issue if the surface underneath is not solid... I think the surface underneath the system still needs to be pretty solid or firm for it to work effectively. The foam inserts may sink into the carpet when standing on it since they kind of "float" inside the ribber mat "frame".

      What you could do, is maybe cut some plywood, waferboard, etc the size of the platform/mat and place that down first, to stabilize the surface underneath.. would leave a pretty large "dent" in your carpet either way if you are good with that.

      I looked up the shipping weight, and the total system weight shipped was 72 lbs if that's helpful at all.

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      • #18
        tonybrown32 Thanks for the review and pics Tony. I've been wanting to get something better for years now, and you helped me finally decide what I want to do. Much appreciated.

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        • tonybrown32
          tonybrown32 commented
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          No problem! If anyone has any specific questions I can help answer as well now that I've had it a few weeks.. happy to try and help out. There really is no perfect mat for my situation, having to move it out of the way quickly and easily, but this come close...

          Only downside so far for my application is that this thing is HEAVY. Adding 65-70lbs on to my wood stance platform, makes it a little harder to move around, so my younger daughter can't really set up/take down easily on her own anymore. Alternatively though, I tend to leave it set up for longer periods of time now as well, and has seen some additional use just because it's ready and available more often as well..

      • #19
        So I bought the Fiberbuilt Flight Deck to try out. Place a Gorilla Grip mat below and it won't move on impact and you're all good to go.

        So far so good - night and day vs. CCE. However, because it's so easy to hit down and thru, does anyone think it might be "too forgiving" vs real-life fairways?

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        • Sascha1818
          Sascha1818 commented
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          Does it last ? It is a lot more expensive then the CCE. So I hope it will last a while.

        • tonybrown32
          tonybrown32 commented
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          I don't think it's that much more expensive than the CCE. I got the performance mat system for $300 shipped.. just have to shop around like anything else... Best price I could find on the CCE is what $350 at Costco for the 4x5 mat.

          If you want to get into a Fiberbuilt even cheaper, the Flight Deck is really inexpensive to use for a hitting strip if you can deal with the oval shape... it's around $80 on Amazon. It will go along with the Launch Pad practice station that looks pretty interesting as well, showcased at last years PGA show (found this on YouTube... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGUenHbMcBs).

          I inquired about the Launch Pad practice station with Fiberbuilt when I bought my mat, and I was told it's not available yet, but may be in January or February, and will be on Amazon as well for around $250. I don't know if that $250 included the Launch Pad or not... This setup looked pretty easy to snap together in my garage, and tear down and store out of the way when I need to get the cars in. I was a little concerned about how wide it looks though, and didn't want to feel too cramped hitting driver, but looks like a great little practice station.. love the way you can use this with alignment rods for various drills.

          Also, as far as how long it will last, Fiberbuilt says 100,000 swings... and with the hitting strips, they have three 1'x1' squares you can rotate, so 300,000 swings for the performance mat system that has a 3 foot hitting strip... should last pretty much forever for me if those estimates are true.
          Last edited by tonybrown32; 01-11-2018, 09:49 PM.

        • Sascha1818
          Sascha1818 commented
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          I would love to shop around, however I'm in Germany and there was only one distributer of fiberbuilt mats. I paid 250 for 3 inserts (12"x12"each) and paid 100 for the CCE (10"x46") 2 years ago when i bought it. For Golf stuff it sucks to be in Europe. Everything ist just soooo much more expensive if it is available.

      • #20
        Originally posted by doublebogey View Post
        So I bought the Fiberbuilt Flight Deck to try out. Place a Gorilla Grip mat below and it won't move on impact and you're all good to go.

        So far so good - night and day vs. CCE. However, because it's so easy to hit down and thru, does anyone think it might be "too forgiving" vs real-life fairways?
        I don't think it's too forgiving. Actually, the more I use it, the more I feel like I get better feedback than I used to on my Monster Turf. It may in a sense be "too forgiving" as in, if I hit a seriously fat shot, it is much less physically punishing than real-life fairways yes.... but I don't feel like the Fiberbuilt in anyway masks a crummy shot... I can still tell when I strike one poorly.

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        • doublebogey
          doublebogey commented
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          Great. Thanks for the feedbacks.

      • #21
        A few more observations on Fiberbuilt:
        - After hitting on Fiberbuilt, some of the green fibers seem to come off easily? And it seems to kick up a lot of green dust? Is this normal or just because it's new and will go away over time?
        - The green dust it kicks up gets all over screen of my SkyTrak (and hard to wipe off as I'm using the FMJ protective cover) and might have caused some no-reads or mis-reads (def observed slightly more no-reads and mis-reads using Fiberbuilt vs CCE). Green dust is also all over my clubs esp bottom of my fairway wood - so wondering if this kicking up of green dust is normal?
        - Though easier to hit, the irons seems to have slightly shorter distances than using CCE - maybe because ball compresses less using Fiberbuilt than using CCE?

        So I guess jury is still out Fiberbuilt vs CCE - at least for me.
        Last edited by doublebogey; 01-12-2018, 12:08 PM.

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        • Stingreye
          Stingreye commented
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          I would check the ball parameter distance. You might have been sweeping off the cce to prevent the shock and spin would be lower. If the spin is higher, the distance will generally be shorter. I had a spin increase a little when trying fiberbuilt.

      • #22
        Upon further use of Fiberbuilt, it beats CCE hands down. My CCE is now just a stance mat...

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        • tonybrown32
          tonybrown32 commented
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          Good to hear!

          I didn't have any dust issues with my mat that I recall... I did notice my ball was a little more dirty looking than usual after hitting for a while, but the garage was a mess with winter weather, so I attributed it to that.. but could have been some of the dust you mentioned. I've had it several weeks now, and don't see my screen getting any dirtier than it was, or any signs of it continuing. I don't see anything on my clubs.

          I did have one or two loose fibers as well, but that's all. There has to be thousands if not hundreds of thousands of long fibers in the 3 foot mat, so expect to see a few lose ones show up at the beginning, kind of like breaking in my shaving brush

          Glad you like your mat. I'm also really glad I went with the Fiberbuilt. My old MonsterTurf now catches balls underneath my screen.

          So after using it a while now what are your thoughts on it being "too forgiving"? I had those same concerns, but the more I use mine, the more it's not even a factor... I can totally tell if I mishit one, and my Skytrack confirms it every time as well...

          One other thing I'll add, is that although hitting off the Fiberbuilt is much easier on my body than my old mat as far as impact goes, it doesn't stop my tendonitis issues completely or anything... I didn't really expect it to, but others might given some of the reviews I've seen. Impact wise, the Fiberbuilt is certainly less physically punishing, and much better on my back, wrists, elbows... which allows me to hit more balls, for longer periods of time... and that's both good and bad! Good since I enjoy the longer hitting sessions... bad since the gripping action of squeezing my club for long periods is what can get my left forearm tendonitis flaring up... the 13" of snow this week, and several hours of squeezing the snowblower handle didn't help either!

          Glad you are enjoying the mat!

        • doublebogey
          doublebogey commented
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          tonybrown32, still probably a little bit forgiving. But noticed I no longer say "too forgiving" because it still punishes you a bit if you hit it fat - however not as punishing as CCE. Compared to real-life, it seems like Fiberbuilt does replicate a nice fairway better than CCE - CCE feels more like a tighter lie or firmer fairway.

          BTW the kicking up of dust issue is pretty much gone after some use - still some fibers come off but that's, like you said, pretty much expected like a new shaving brush (hopefully fewer and fewer fibers will come off going forward).
          Last edited by doublebogey; 01-26-2018, 10:57 AM.

        • tonybrown32
          tonybrown32 commented
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          Great assessment... totally agree.

      • #23
        Do they offer a rectangular fiberbuilt strip that can be incorporated into (or placed next to) a stance mat? I don’t see this option available for purchase on the FB site or amazon.

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        • #24
          Originally posted by jrz
          Do they offer a rectangular fiberbuilt strip that can be incorporated into (or placed next to) a stance mat? I don’t see this option available for purchase on the FB site or amazon.
          Jrz, buy direct from the sales rep and you can get them in 1x1 foot squares

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          • tonybrown32
            tonybrown32 commented
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            Agree... its kind of a modular system that way... what came with my performance mat system is three 1x1 foot interlocking squares, held together in a metal track/brace. Its pretty substatial/heavy... and quite thick. You would likely have to build up your stance mat or recess the hitting strip to get the hitting mat and Fiberbuilt surfaces level to each other...

            You could as many 1x1 squares as you need for the length of hitting strip you want. I havnen't seen the squares sold separately through retailers either.. but I bought my whole mat system direct through a sales rep at Fiberbuilt. They were very helpful and informative.

          • jrz
            jrz commented
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            Thanks guys.

        • #25
          Originally posted by doublebogey View Post
          Upon further use of Fiberbuilt, it beats CCE hands down. My CCE is now just a stance mat...
          Can you post a picture at your set up? I am debating on getting a Flight deck since I have a CCE or get the whole set up. Does in stand level with your CCE?

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          • doublebogey
            doublebogey commented
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            I was just initially trying out Fiberbuilt w the Flight Deck. But I think best is to buy either the whole Fiberbuilt setup or, like others have mentioned on this thread, buy just the Fiberbuilt strip and insert into your existing mat as the Flight Deck is still slightly higher than the CCE mats.

          • msg
            msg commented
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            Thanks for to reply. I guess I'll go with the strip or buy the whole thing then.

        • #26
          Originally posted by Stingreye View Post

          Jrz, buy direct from the sales rep and you can get them in 1x1 foot squares
          I sent an email asking Fiberbuilt if they would sell me the hitting strip part with 3 interlocking sections of the turf along with the strip base. I did not get a reply from them and I'm wondering if they don't want to promote this.

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          • msg
            msg commented
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            I emailed them three weeks ago and got a reply from them. I think they have updated their site where you can order directly and see the price as well.

        • #27
          Well I took the plunge and got the 4x5 performance mat. I have only got to hit a few balls on it so far, but I am very happy with the purchase. I totally agree with Tony's initial review and the only negative thing I can say is those zip ties are horrible.

          Tony, if you get a chance, can you post a pic of how you screwed your rubber sections to your base with the casters. I think I might be interested in doing something similar.

          Im looking forward to the weekend and playing a few rounds on TGC!

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          • #28
            Originally posted by captnkrusty View Post
            Well I took the plunge and got the 4x5 performance mat. I have only got to hit a few balls on it so far, but I am very happy with the purchase. I totally agree with Tony's initial review and the only negative thing I can say is those zip ties are horrible.

            Tony, if you get a chance, can you post a pic of how you screwed your rubber sections to your base with the casters. I think I might be interested in doing something similar.

            Im looking forward to the weekend and playing a few rounds on TGC!
            Oh my I forgot how horrible those zip ties were... I thought maybe it was because it was pretty cold in my garage when I was zipping the sections together, but apparently I'm not the only one that had problems with them. Lucky I had a whole bag of my own in my toolbox, since at least 50% of the provided zip ties didn't hold at all.. I threw most of them away and used my own.

            I plan on setting the net/screen back up tonight so I'll try to get some photos of my "portable" platform I use... we had 13" of snow on Monday, so had to close up the hitting area again to keep the cars in the garage, and haven't had time to get stuff back out this week.. looks like good weather ahead here in the near term so hoping I can leave my stuff set up for a few weeks before the next unpleasant weather event. Looking forward to spring!

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            • #29
              Thanks Tony, I appreciate it. I played my first 18 today on the new mat today and I love it It is definitely better than the DIY gel mat that I had made!

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              • #30
                Agree the fiberbuilt is way better than the diy gel.
                Originally posted by captnkrusty View Post
                Thanks Tony, I appreciate it. I played my first 18 today on the new mat today and I love it It is definitely better than the DIY gel mat that I had made!

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