How to get it seamless

[intentionally]

Any suggestions on how people get their carpet and mats to blend in seamlessly? Like this:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CEa-_SVHP8i/

I don't like how the fiberbuilt etc have the rubber enclosure on the sides, but I'm also worried about fraying if I try to cut the material I surround the mat with.

[frodaddy00]

A boxcutter/razor will cut almost any artificial turf clean enough to not worry about edges. You can use strong double sided carpet tape to hold down the edges where they meet.

[Pickled]

I’m wondering the same. I haven’t seen the mat in person. I’m thinking my other carpet can rest on top of the rubber boarder but it all depends on how far the rubber is from the hit deck.

hopeing to see someone else’s solution here. Subscribed.

[tonybrown32]

Also subscribing.. As I get closer to my turf install, I'll be laying putting turf on a 12' x 20' space, and cutting a small section for a CCE hitting strip... looking for tips/tricks on how to get a smooth transition in front of the CCE hitting strip where the CCE meets the putting turf so the ball rolls as smooth as possible over the transition point during sim golf play...

Obviously both turfs need to be the same height, but the edges of my CCE in particular curve a little downwards, leaving a bit of a depression between the front of the CCE and the edge of my shorter pile putting turf samples I have..

Wondering how others match up the edges of a CCE that's so dense to other stance/putting turfs when using a CCE insert.

Suggestions welcome!

[Cheeselog8]

Following this thread as well. I'm planning on building a platform around my Rawhide mat that also curves down a bit around the edges.

My initial thought is to trim an inch or two off the front of the mat itself. In theory this should leave an edge that is more even with the rest of the mat and not curved down. Probably easier said than done but the mat is cheap enough and the front side is all I'm worried about so I've got 4 shots at getting it right.

[FGrafton]

I spilled battery acid on my mat, and made a hole alonv one side. Ipped it over, drew a straightine and cut it clean with a circular saw. Worked surprisingly well. When I flipped it back it's like new, just skinnier!

[Godfather]

And what kind of carpet is that? From the pics, I bet it putts nicely.

[chicub15]

I used an insulation knife (link below) for cutting my putting turf to drop in a Fiberbuilt mat. I was worried about the look as well but it turned out really nice. The double sided carpet tape is a nice suggestion, it keeps everything tight. I also used construction adhesive (liquid nails) as my setup is permanent. It even putts well (those who say the Fiberbuilt doesn't putt well probably don't have enough loft on their putter or hit down on the ball).

[Pickled]

I used an insulation knife (link below) for cutting my putting turf to drop in a Fiberbuilt mat. I was worried about the look as well but it turned out really nice. The double sided carpet tape is a nice suggestion, it keeps everything tight. I also used construction adhesive (liquid nails) as my setup is permanent. It even putts well (those who say the Fiberbuilt doesn't putt well probably don't have enough loft on their putter or hit down on the ball).

Do you have a photo you can share?

[Pickled]

I think I have the solution but it depends on what your putting turf and what mat your using but the same system will work with anything you need need to get the appropriate mat.

I talke to par2pro today and shared my idea and they said it should work perfectly.

My Plan:

CCE mat and Rymar Pro Putt

Materials:
1) CCE Mat is 1 ¾" (¾" foam, 1" grass)
2) Rymar Pro Putt is .71 inches
3) High Density Foam 1" for putting turf for the putting turf subfloor

The CCE Mat & Pro Putt/Foam Subfloor is 1mm. This would be absolutely ideal except as tonybrown32 mentioned the issue is the rounded edges of the CCE. The edge is a result of the finishing although the foam is square the turf is still round. I believe if you cut 1" from the edge of the mat you will have a proper straight edge.

I think the rest is self explanatory but in case it isn't, when installing your 1" foam subfloor, measure and cut the exact opening for your new 1" trimmed mat. I have a sample of Rymar Pro Putt and I'm going to get a sample of the CCE. Once I have both, I will be sure do document my experience to share with others.

This method won't work with mats that have a rigid base like true strike or fiberbuilt.

I'm going this route in case I don't like the CCE mat and then I will just put a Fiberbuilt insert in the mat.

Thoughts?

[tonybrown32]

Yes! Its the rounded edge of the CCE strip where the fibers extend past the foam underlayment that may be difficult to make a good seam. Totally interested to hear how trimming the CCE back an inch will work. I'm wondering if its the density of the fibers that push them out past the foam underlayment. I was going to try to just scissor trim the edge a little and see how that looks, but don't wanna wreck it either or make it worse!

[Pickled]

I don't have a damn mat with me to try. I really don't think its the density of the fibres but is could very well me. If you were to cut a perfect square in the centre of a CCE mat I can't see the edges being curved inward towards that square. I could be out of lunch but it doesn't seem logical to me. If that is the case, then trimming the edges would work.

I reached out to Reel Feel Mats for a sample. If they won't send me one, I will just buy a strip and play around with it until I get it right. It needs to be perfect and I don't think it's that difficult to get there.

Stay tuned...

(perhaps someone will respond with a perfect solution by the time I get to it) haha

[tonybrown32]

Agree shouldn't be hard.. I emailed realfeel mats tonight asking for advice on making the seams match on this kind of install.. will keep u posted.

[tonybrown32]

I did reach out to realfeel matts and asked for tips and tricks on installing their CCE mat or hitting strips into surrounding putting turf. They were very helpful, so here are a few of the suggestions... As I suspected, the "curved" edges of the CCE mat and strips are due to the extreme density of the matt.. so the fibers will "bloom" over the edges. I don't think cutting an inch or 2 off the mat will really help solve that.. I think you just need to cut the hole the size of the foam underlayment, and "squish" the mat/hitting strip and fibers in as tightly as you can to push the "bloomed" fibers back even with the foam.. if that make sense... here's the comments from realfeel:

"Regarding the installation-

The fibers of the Country Club Elite®️ Do ‘bloom’ over the edge when cut Due to the density of the turf.

SO- do all measurements and cutting from the back side of the foam (see tools below) this way the blooming fibers should help hide any small gaps in the recess

Check your existing mat and cut it square so that you can rotate it

A lot of customers are using dricore underlay subfloor or the interlocking play tiles as ecconomical options to build up the floor

Just be aware that when doing this type of install the stance area often becomes worn. You could recess 3 each 20x 36 side by side and Create a modular 3x5 stance/ hitting area to avoid this issue and allow you to rotate the 3 pieces of mat

Also, if you want to putt off of the mat it’s best to try for 1/16 to 1/8 high on the mat - you don’t want the putting turf to end up higher

I hope that helps - please send some pics and let us know how it turns out."

[Pickled]

You right, if it blooms, cutting it will solve nothing. Very good to know.

In regards to wearing out maybe they are assuming your putting turf will be your stance mat and your recessing the country club strip. I have heard this a few times that the putting turf wears out if you use it as a stance material. Very good info.

What did they recommend for tools?

I'm really interested in the swing turf from rainorshine.com. Looks the same as the CCE but its new and there's very limited reviews on it. They do have a 30Day return if you don't like it. Really expensive to ship back though.

[tonybrown32]

Exactly.. the putting turf may wear out where you stand when hitting if it's not very durable. Their solution was perhaps to not only recess my hitting strip, but also cut out a section where I stand, and put some CCE in there as well, so that can also be modular and replaced if needed... I plan to just use the putting turf as my stance area until it wears out enough to need replacing, and at that point, I'll cut out the worn area, and replace with some new turf if necessary.

I forgot the tools! They listed some recommended tools at the bottom of my email, here they are:

"Below are some of the tools that we like:

1) Hole saw drill bit For adjustable height tees or tube tees - amazon link below

https://amzn.to/2qjZLXp

2) Double faced tape to secure mat and turf if you do not want to full spread glue - this is the one we like in the 3 inch or 4 inch wide

https://amzn.to/2UG1Kjj

3) If you need to cut your mat --

this is the one we use in house - the blades are just a little longer which helps if you have to trim the mats.

Knife:

https://amzn.to/2F9U3w4

longer Blades:

https://amzn.to/2UuHJvM

4) Adhesive -- Roberts 6700 all-purpose indoor/outdoor adhesive

https://amzn.to/2PSvN4P

[Pickled]

I think that's the only way to do it also. Insert the whole hitting mat and recess it all.

Somebody did exactly what you are thinking. Future proofed stance area. Check out GoldenSim build.

https://golfsimulatorforum.com/forum/golf-simulator-forum/simulator-builds/258795-build-summary-review-after-18-months

[GoldenSim]

I agree with comments from the others. Using double sided tape around the edges of the putting surface where it meets the hitting mat is a good start. My recessed solution (as linked above by Pickled (thanks) gives the option to build up different areas to exact heights to give a perfect transition. The other element I have found from experience is that the GC2 (in my case, but I think it will apply to most sim hardware) has read the putt prior to it even leaving the hitting mat. So whilst the perfect transition is nice for both "feel" and cosmetic reasons, it does not actually affect the simulated putt if it jumps or moves a bit.