Proposed New Online Play Guidelines for the Optishot Online Tour - final draft

[CatMan]

Hey John are you throwing you name in the hat for Tour Secretary??

Or is that my title??

[Vincent_Vega]

I also tested out some drives again. I think 100 speed and 88 distance is pretty close on thick turf and foam ball. I turned my SS down the other night when testing because I think 90 distance was a bit high. 100 and 88 yielded an average swing speed of 108 mph and distance of 270 total yards. That's a ratio of exactly 2.5. Not sure what you guys were getting with the other setups. That is almost dead on my real life distance. I don't carry it 270 yards but my ball rolls out to right around that 270-275 mark. Video below.

http://youtu.be/Q0qNQx8Rkrk

[Mike80]

JohnMeyer, the rules and guidelines look great! Thanks so much for devoting your time into finalizing the rules with everyone's suggestions. I agree with Buckeye's comments about including more detail on the penalty and that a public statement should be made if a penalty is addressed. I think most penalties will result in a 2 stroke penalty. However, if a player becomes a frequent rule breaker, then that is where I think we apply the 30 Day Suspension.

I would say a good way to evaluate this is, the board gives stroke penalties for the round the player breaks rules. Then if the next round the player continues to break the rules that's where the board may address the 30 Day Suspension and DQ for that round. Then again if frequent rules are broken after suspension then kicked off the tournament. The board will have to vote and make those types of decisions of course.

[Maverick]

I disagree Mike. 2 stroke penalty for minor stuff such as putting with no ball or something similar. Blatant cheating should result in a 30 day suspension for the first offense. No messing around.

[MatalaWedge]

I disagree Mike. 2 stroke penalty for minor stuff such as putting with no ball or something similar. Blatant cheating should result in a 30 day suspension for the first offense. No messing around.

We need to be ABSOLUTELY sure it is cheating and not just absent-mindedness... No room for error here. We can't go kicking out a sleepdeprived father of 3 kids for just playing for fun and having his mind in neutral every now and then. (yes I could be referring to myself... I'm not though) Just believe in innocent until PROVEN guilty.

But in the extreme situation where someone truly knows he's cheating and does it anyway... sure... kick him out.

[Maverick]

Of course. all that stuff is up to the board to decide. All I'm saying is you put out guidelines and spell out severe punishment to deter even the thought of cheating.

[MatalaWedge]

Of course. all that stuff is up to the board to decide. All I'm saying is you put out guidelines and spell out severe punishment to deter even the thought of cheating.

We are on the same page. Just throwing the "reasonable doubt" - phrase out there to make sure we know not to make hasty decisions.

[JohnMeyer]

Hey John are you throwing you name in the hat for Tour Secretary??

Or is that my title??

I had you down as Tour Secretary. I dont know if that title translates as well to American organisations as it does in UK, but normally The Secretary of a Club here in UK is the main administrator of matters relating to a club and I think that describes you role perfectly

You are the main man for organising the tournaments, invites and also act as a middle man between the Players and The Board

Im not looking to take on a formal role, but more than happy to keep throwing my input in and carry out anything that you or the Board would like. I wouldn't want to take on the Secretary Role as I believe you already do that job perfectly, however if you would like me to take on a role on The Board in some capacity, be it for Overseeing Guidelines or something like that then be happy to help.

Although I have had lots of time over the holidays I am a beef farmer here in the UK and as such my work can results in some strange hours and availability too so I wont always be asvisibkle as perhaps I have been over the last couple of weeks

[JohnMeyer]

I also tested out some drives again. I think 100 speed and 88 distance is pretty close on thick turf and foam ball. I turned my SS down the other night when testing because I think 90 distance was a bit high. 100 and 88 yielded an average swing speed of 108 mph and distance of 270 total yards. That's a ratio of exactly 2.5. Not sure what you guys were getting with the other setups. That is almost dead on my real life distance. I don't carry it 270 yards but my ball rolls out to right around that 270-275 mark. Video below.

http://youtu.be/Q0qNQx8Rkrk

I think this may also fit in with what Willmakit and Joe were thinking too. Thick Turf settins will always be slightly vague as there is no set definition of what consitutes "Thick Turf",

Yours may be thicker than some one elses "Thick Turf"

As you say now weve lowered distance from 90 to 88 perhaps we should increase speed from 98 to 100 to make it balance out.

Ill await others feedback but i certainly have no issue with it, especially if as you say it gives a more accurate setup

Ill check ou tthe video now and see what the ratios are, as dont want them getting too high, which is what wil happen if swing speed % is increased

[JohnMeyer]

Just checked video and as you say gives the perfect ratio at 100 88,

As this is video evidence proving the ratio and that it is correct setting and previous testing settings were indeed completed at 98/89, I think it is very reasonable and correct that the setting be amended to read 100/88

I am concerned that for some people using a slightly thinner turf than Vega uses it may result in an increased distance but I cant think there are that many variations and the 2% increase will only result in minor increases

I am therefore going to update the proposed guidelines.

I have managed to Edit the Opening Post now so current proposed guideline are now fully updated on the Opening Post of this thread.


As a result of this we could simplify the Club Setting guidelines now, as all settings now have 88% Distance setting and all settings other than Foam Ball Stock Turf have 100% Speed Setting so Guidelines could now read

All Players Driver Distance Setting MUST be set to 88% Distance

Drive Speed Setting MUST remain at 100%, HOWEVER if using a FOAM Ball with Stock turf the Speed Setting MUST be reduced to 93%


This would simplify the Clubset guidelines significantly, ill await your feedback before making the change.

[Vincent_Vega]

Just checked video and as you say gives the perfect ratio at 100 88,

As this is video evidence proving the ratio and that it is correct setting and previous testing settings were indeed completed at 98/89, I think it is very reasonable and correct that the setting be amended to read 100/88

I am concerned that for some people using a slightly thinner turf than Vega uses it may result in an increased distance but I cant think there are that many variations and the 2% increase will only result in minor increases

I am therefore going to update the proposed guidelines.

I have managed to Edit the Opening Post now so current proposed guideline are now fully updated on the Opening Post of this thread.


As a result of this we could simplify the Club Setting guidelines now, as all settings now have 88% Distance setting and all settings other than Foam Ball Stock Turf have 100% Speed Setting so Guidelines could now read

All Players Driver Distance Setting MUST be set to 88% Distance

Drive Speed Setting MUST remain at 100%, HOWEVER if using a FOAM Ball with Stock turf the Speed Setting MUST be reduced to 93%


This would simplify the Clubset guidelines significantly, ill await your feedback before making the change.

After reading the current and proposed wording. I actually think it's more clear how you currently have it worded. Breaking it down by each scenario. Just my opinion. Great job on formulating the guidelines.

[Buckeye]

After reading the current and proposed wording. I actually think it's more clear how you currently have it worded. Breaking it down by each scenario. Just my opinion. Great job on formulating the guidelines.

I agree. Breaking it down should reduce the amount of questions proposed by future members regarding their individual set ups.

Another thought I had, do we want to include the tournament rules - no slow or fast greens and no high winds? Or is this still up in the air? I don't think we have discussed or decided on at which point the wind setting becomes to "high" . I know this stuff has been discussed between CatMan and myself but I can't recall if it was discussed publicly or not.

I think wind seems to be the greatest issue.

[CatMan]

I agree. Breaking it down should reduce the amount of questions proposed by future members regarding their individual set ups.

Another thought I had, do we want to include the tournament rules - no slow or fast greens and no high winds? Or is this still up in the air? I don't think we have discussed or decided on at which point the wind setting becomes to "high" . I know this stuff has been discussed between CatMan and myself but I can't recall if it was discussed publicly or not.

I think wind seems to be the greatest issue.

Wind is the greatest issue we have influencing everything/including Loft... I would like us to keep winds to Moderate and Below, and Gentle and below for fast greens.... that's my feelings on this..

Not Strong and above Winds Period.... until the software is toned back, or material is brought forward showing that it is realistic....

[Maxxx]

Hey guys, I agree that the wind is completly unrealistic !Even at moderate. It should not affect the putting the way it does. It's a guess and it is stronger than break ! Also if we want to make the course more difficult then the rough setting should never be on easy. Usually if you miss a fairway or green it's tougher to play the hole. Hopefully DD fixes the wind issues. BTW I wonder when they are going to update ? Pins, bugs, tournaments etc ??? Any idea ?

[CatMan]

Hey guys, I agree that the wind is completly unrealistic !Even at moderate. It should not affect the putting the way it does. It's a guess and it is stronger than break ! Also if we want to make the course more difficult then the rough setting should never be on easy. Usually if you miss a fairway or green it's tougher to play the hole. Hopefully DD fixes the wind issues. BTW I wonder when they are going to update ? Pins, bugs, tournaments etc ??? Any idea ?

Good Point Maxxx,

The Rough is an issue too, some courses the settings effect then other courses it doesn't . Another Software issue that needs fixing.... But we can definitely set them for tougher and hope it takes..