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  • Proposed New Online Play Guidelines for the Optishot Online Tour - final draft

    The Optishot Tour Management Board

    1. The Optishot Tour Board consists of 4 Board Members and a Tour Secretary.

    2. They will manage The Optishot Online Tour, managing the guidelines and tournaments, as well as overseeing the integrity and regulations of play by all members.

    3. They will review all applications for setting changes and review all evidence provided before making their decision. They must publish a formal statement relating to the setting change if approved

    4. They will handle all reports of breaches of the following guidelines by way of a closed discussion, and administer the penalties in accordance with the guidelines below. They must publish formal statements relating to the breach and penalty applied.

    5. They have the powers to apply leniency in the event of supporting evidence. In such event a full disclosure of the information and reason for leniency must be published alongside the statement to not award/reduce the penalty.

    6. A current list of Board Members is found at


    http://golfsimulatorforum.com/forum/...-online-league



    Ball Settings

    1. Players MUST set the ball type to the actual ball they are physically hitting. Players are to hit either a Real ball or Foam ball if their setup allows, due to unreliable data from the No Ball setting.


    Clubset Settings

    1. Players Driver settings MUST be set the to following, dependant on the ball and turf type they are using.

    a. Real Ball, Stock Turf - 100% Speed, 88% Distance.............

    b. Real Ball, Thick Turf - 100% Speed 88% Distance...............

    c. Foam Ball, Stock Turf - 93% Speed, 88% Distance.............

    d. Foam Ball, Thick Turf - 100% Speed, 88% Distance..............

    e. No Ball Setting - 100% Speed 88% Distance ......................

    2. Players MUST set the Loft Setting of all clubs to the loft of the club they are physically hitting

    3. If using a 3 wood instead of Driver due to Height Restrictions Use Identical settings to those you would normally use as per your ball and turf setup above.

    4. 3 wood and 5 wood MUST NOT exceed Speed % relative to your own personal ball and turf setup as above, but Distance % Settings MAY be up to MAX 100% Most players seem to find 100 % Speed, 100 % Distance is perfect, however if you find distances are long then set to 100% Speed 90% Distance or whatever it is to make them correct. Loft setting may have an effect here as with the irons

    5. Players Irons MUST be set to achieve real world distances and both Speed% and Distance % settings may be altered up or down to achieve the correct distances.

    6. Players may set the Putter Speed % Setting between 80% and 100% to reflect there real life Putting stroke. The Distance % MUST remain at 100%
    When Putting, players MUST hit either a real or foam ball, unless using the No Ball Setting for the whole round.

    7. Players MUST NOT carry out any adjustments to any Clubset Settings during a round.

    8. Any individual Driver, 3 or 5 wood settings outside of the above guidelines may be adjusted to a different % ONLY if evidence from an external device, ie TRACKMAN/GC2/FLIGHTSCOPE etc can prove without doubt that a persons Swing Speed/Distance is not being accurately read by Optishot and an adjustment away from the settings above is required. This change would need to be approved by the Board on a case by case basis.

    9 - Penalty . Anyone found in breach of the above settings or using settings for any club to falsely significantly improve their ability or gameplay (ie, hitting a PW 250 yards) shall be removed from the Tournament and/or face further action as the Board do see fit. Minor breaches may be subject to stroke penalties or warnings at the discrepancy of The Board on a case by case basis



    ​Trajectory Settings

    1. The Highest Trajectory setting MUST NEVER be used off the tee or for approach shots from the fairway/rough purely in order to gain yardage but is to be used in situations when a higher trajectory is required to clear obstacles or obstructions. All other trajectory settings may be used and altered at any time with any club during a round

    2 - Penalty - Anyone found in breach of the above guideline shall be awarded a 2 stroke penalty for each individual offence.



    Screen Recording Requirement

    1. All Players MUST record/stream their rounds and upload them via Twitch or Youtube within 24 hours of completing their round

    2. Before starting their round the video MUST show the Players Ball Setting and Clubset Settings for EVERY club.

    3. Videos MAY be recorded at double speed and lower quality to reduce upload times. However the video stream MUST be of a quality good enough that Ball, Clubset Details and general play is viewable and able to be assessed for any breaches of guidelines.

    4. A link to your uploaded video/past broadcast must be put in the relevant tournament forum thread to allow Players and Board members to verify your round


    5. There are multiple software options for recording your gameplay. The common one used by many Players is the OBS software, which as well as making recordings to your computer, would also allow to you to stream your rounds live for all to see. Full instructions describing how to setup the OBS software can be found here:




    6. If the settings from the above thread do not work sufficiently for your hardware/internet speed, please read through the settings guide in the link below as OBS software has a variety of settings that can be changed to hopefully allow live streaming and direct uploading to Twitch, all be it at a lower quality

    http://help.twitch.tv/customer/porta...aster-software

    7 - Penalty - Anyone who fails to upload their round within 24 hours shall be removed from the Tournament. If you believe you will be unable to upload do to issues outside of your control please contact The Board to discuss other arrangements. Failure to post a link in the forum thread may also result in removal from the tournament, so don't forget.

    8. - Reporting - If when viewing another Players uploaded video you spot what you believe to be a breach of any of these guidelines you are to report it to The Board, giving the Players Name, a link to the video, the breach you wish to report, and the time that the proposed breach occurs.



    Gameplay Format

    1. Tournaments will be either set in 2-4 Rounds for each Event. Matches will be created on Wednesday for 2 Round Tournament, and Monday for Majors. Invitations, sent directly to your Optishot and notified via Email, will go out on Thursday for 2 Round, and Tuesday for Majors, so you can join the matches that were created in Optishot Online Room. Please Pay attention to the Round you enter. TourRD1A means round 1 first group. TourRD1B means round 1 second group and so on.

    2. 2 Round Tournaments will begin on Thursday, and 4 Round Majors will start on Tuesday, both Tournaments will End Sunday Night at 10PM EST, all rounds need to be completed so Tournament can be close out. Invites however may go out earlier but the dates for each tournament will be published in the tournament specific thread on these forums. If all Rounds are not completed then a Player will be given a final score of DNF and place last in the Event.

    3. Once you begin a Round you must complete that Round. If you exit the Round before completion you will be disqualified from the Tournament. However if this is due to circumstance beyond your control, ie power cut or software error, this will be dealt with on a case by case basis by the Board, using the Video Recording/Streaming of the event as evidence


    ****************** Scorecard


    1. After accepting your invite and when starting your round on Optishot you must also select Play Round for the corresponding round on the My Tournaments tab on the ****************** website

    2. Scores for all Rounds will be entered in Live format. Entry will be done after completion of each hole and player must enter score the for each on the website. This will give players the opportunity to know where they sit during game play and give live in running scores


    3. All scorecards will be verified and any scorecard that is inaccurate is subject to a 2 stroke penalty for EACH Entry that is incorrect. If it is found that the entry was done on purpose it will result in disqualification from the Tournament
    .

    Handicapping

    1. The ****************** website carrys out automatic handicapping of players based on scores players acheive in completed rounds. However it needs 4 completed rounds worth of data to complete. In order to speed up the process slightly once a player has completed one Tournament a manual assessment of a players handicap will be carried out and they will be assigned an conservative handicap for the next tournament. Once the 2nd tournament has been completed the system should then have enough data to give a Player his automatic handicap. Details of how the Automatic Handicapping System works can be found here

    http://www.******************/info.html

    2. Adjustments to this handicap can also be manually made and currently The Optishot Online Tour does not allow negative handicaps. Because of this the lowest handicap player will always play off of an index of 0. If the System allocated handicap was -4, then that player, and all others will have their handicaps raised by 4 strokes.

    Eg. All player have completed a minimum of 4 rounds and System has assigned them a Handicap of -

    Player 1: Handicap -4
    Player 2: Handicap 2
    Player 3: Handicap 10

    As The Optishot Tour doesn't allow negative handicaps every Player will have 4 strokes added to their Handicap so the for the next tournament:

    Player 1: Handicap 0
    Player 2: Handicap 6
    Player 3: Handicap 14

    A video showing the process is found here




    3. This system is under constant review and possible to change so please keep up to date with the current system discussion on these forums.

    http://golfsimulatorforum.com/forum/...ot-online-tour



    Please read fully and understand rules above, ensure you have the OBS recording software installed and tested, and familiarise yourself with both the Optishot Software, The ****************** website and these forums

    Once you are fully setup and ready to take part in an event, have completed the necessary Clubset Settings, have Screen Recording Software in place, and are fully familiar with all the above Rules and guideline please post below that you have read, fully understood and agree to comply with all the above.

    Welcome to the Optishot Online Tour
    Last edited by JohnMeyer; 01-09-2015, 06:08 PM.

  • #46
    For myself I like using YouTube to download my video. The reason being I'm at work more then at home and I use my iPhone to watch videos on YouTube. I can't watch the videos on twitch through iPhone.

    So sometimes through out the day I watch my videos and any other videos that are posted on YouTube.

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    • braycobb
      braycobb commented
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      I upload to YouTube for the same reason. However, I start with Twitch for live streaming. After I have played and I have stopped the live stream, I log onto Twitch and export it to my Youtube account. The export is built into Twitch. So, I Can accomplish both tasks (live streaming and YouTube) fairly easily.

    • JohnMeyer
      JohnMeyer commented
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      There is a twitch app for iphone now

    • braycobb
      braycobb commented
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      The Twitch app only lets you watch live streams, not past broadcasts.

  • #47
    My views of 2 issues raised so far

    Video Uploads

    The issue with forcing uploads is peoples internet speeds. Live streaming to Twitch is just not physically possible with my speed. In rural UK I am limited to Upload Speed of 0.7Mbps

    I can record and upload later, probably to youtube, but I did record my ryder cup round with Ian using OBS. Video File produced was 795MBs, and 1hr 40mins long

    Previously i uploaded my direct testing video to youtube, which was 15 mins long and it took 40 mins to upload, so you can imagine how long it would take to upload one that is an 1hr 40 long

    If thats whats decided is required then so be it, but will be a bit of a pain in the ass, epsecially if have to do it for every round I play


    Putting with a ball.

    I would suggest that although it probably doesn't make any difference to make things simple I would say that all putting must be done with a ball, as otherwise will have to get into what distance is no ball allowed etc and make a separate rule, and test it, so would suggest for simplicty just to make all putts done with a ball.

    If people want a "lazy man" clause then its fine, and i must admit if i leave it an inch or 2 short etc i just tap in but its just what distance do we set if thats the route you wanna go down

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    • #48
      If you recorded with OBS all you have to do is give it your twitch info and it should upload it automatically, or does that take more resources?

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      • #49
        Originally posted by Buckeye View Post
        If you recorded with OBS all you have to do is give it your twitch info and it should upload it automatically, or does that take more resources?

        I think it probably would but my simulator is located in my workshop away from house so have to use my iphone as hotspoton 3g ( quicker than my fixed line broadband anyway lol) but obviously if I did that id have to then leave my phone in my workshop for the multiple hours it would take to finish uploading

        Solution would be each time id have to bring laptop back to the house and leave it to upload overnight, which again, if thats whats required is fine.

        Laptop is high spec gaming one so resources not really an issue, just internet speed, and didnt want the Upload possibly causing issues with lag or something when actaully playing the game, especially in this case when playing with another person in real time.

        It all depends if you feel it necessary for ever player, every round to be uploaded, thats a lot of videos, 20 players, 3 rounds, 60 videos. How many of them would actually be watched?

        Im happy with whatever as fully agree important to make sure people following the rules, just not sure it has to every player every round uploaded but if thats whats decided is required to ensure validity of results then will have to comply

        Also im not sure where people stand on data limits too, i now some people may be on say a 2GB data limit on their mobile device, we have such things in UK. If each video is say 500mb, thats 1.5 gb right there.. just a thought

        All issues that may well or not be issues, but once its in the guideline people will have to follow it, so need to be sure its worth doing, as if I was on on 2GB limit (im on unlimited as I pay for it) and it was a forced upload id not be joining the Tour as would worry may exceed my data limit.

        I will have a good look through the OBS settings though and see if i can lower the quality right down even further and see how the affects things. Ive update the Opening Post with a link to the OBS/Twitch settings help page so hopefully, perhaps at a low quality most people will be able to stream. Ill test this next time im at my sim, and see if its possible as i must be one the lower end of any of the players web speeds.
        Last edited by JohnMeyer; 01-06-2015, 07:13 PM.

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        • #50
          I use a real ball for putting. I am on foam setting otherwise. Anybody else do that...? Is it even ok when it comes to guidelines? Much better feel IMO. Would hate to see it go... I've never not used a ball though. I think we need to investigate if it is easier to maintain straight line without a ball. If so then I feel a ball is required for putting at all times.... Actually I kinda feel it should be required anyway. The past few weeks has been realism realism realism.... Irl you would tap it in in a comp... Gimmies and mock shots are for prac rounds.
          Last edited by MatalaWedge; 01-06-2015, 07:32 PM.

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          • #51
            You hit it on the head Nick, Putting is much more real with a real ball, but I don't think we should have a rule that you can't use a real ball just because you use Foam for all other shots, but I do see the hypocrisy in the Guidelines then... I think when it comes to putting we should make an exception because I feel there is no advantage on what you use, in regards to the setting... It seems to me one of those areas we can be flexible on.. just my opinion.....

            And would need to be stated in Guidelines language as such if players are onboard with this...
            Last edited by CatMan; 01-06-2015, 07:53 PM.

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            • #52
              I just think if the board is wanting to verify your score or anything else then you would have to upload to YouTube or twitch. Other then that, just put it in the save file. And if the board asks for it then you would know where to find the file.



              Honestly I'm suprised nobody asked to see my last round at Warwick. I must be off the radar now. Lol.

              But Vincent. You must post yours all the time. Lol. I enjoy watching them. Like seeing low scores.


              Reason why I don't download to YouTube every time is because of the time it takes which is roughly 45 minutes.

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              • #53
                Originally posted by CatMan View Post
                You hit it on the head Nick, Putting is much more real with a real ball, but I don't think we should have a rule that you can't use a real ball just because you use Foam for all other shots, but I do see the hypocrisy in the Guidelines then... I think when it comes to putting we should make an exception because I feel there is no advantage on what you use, in regards to the setting... It seems to me one of those areas we can be flexible on.. just my opinion.....

                And would need to be stated in Guidelines language as such if players are onboard with this...

                So what would the proposal be, something along the lines of-

                When putting players must hit either a real or foam ball, however this is not dependant upon the ball type you use throughout your round. However, if you play No Ball Setting for your normal Round may you putt without a ball

                Eg, If you use a foam ball normally, you may putt with a real ball if you prefer. However as always the ball setting must match the physical ball you are hitting as this may effect putter swing speed indications.


                Nick, ref the above Eg, do you normally change the ball type whilst putting or do you leave on foam ball and hit a real one. I'm not sure this is actually a necessary rule as putter speeds can be set between 80% and 100% already but I would have thought if using a real ball on foam ball setting your swing speeds would be impacted.

                I wonder how many of you who advocated the 100 % speed putting do this and if you were putting with a foam ball you would prefer it on 80%. Just a thought.

                Im happy to have whatever, as like you say its an individual thing and all putting a real ball on foam setting would do would be to slow swing speed do to the unexpected increased weight of the ball, and we can already do that because of the 80% putter speed rule
                Last edited by JohnMeyer; 01-06-2015, 08:47 PM.

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                • #54
                  I'm ok with the either including using nothing for short tappin's.

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                  • #55
                    I don't change the setting. Don't see a need either. It would be a hassle anyway. think it should suffice to say that one can use a real ball to putt if one prefers to.

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                    • #56
                      The other option with so many rules is just maybe when a newbie looks at all these rules it will be so over whelming that they just won't join. There's alot of informaction to take in.

                      I know when I first started a couple months ago I thought that there was a lot to take in. And that's half of what there is now.

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                      • #57
                        Originally posted by Willymakit View Post
                        The other option with so many rules is just maybe when a newbie looks at all these rules it will be so over whelming that they just won't join. There's alot of informaction to take in.

                        I know when I first started a couple months ago I thought that there was a lot to take in. And that's half of what there is now.
                        There really are no more rules now then there was. It is just worded differently now. It looks like a lot but really it is different set of rules for different set ups. Find your set up and play by your rules.

                        As far as putting, I'm ok with must a must putt out with either a real ball or foam ball. And in reality this could be used for the no ball folks too. With the putting speed rules just include:

                        Everyone must putt out using either real or foam balls.

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                        • #58
                          I think the goal, or at least my original "complaint" revolved around not having a real set of rules and resolving the driver distance issue. If that means we increase the rules some, so be it, but I believe in the long run it will be well worth it.

                          Our list of rules are much much shorter and easier to understand than the USGA Rulebook. So this shouldn't be an issue to any half way serious golfer.

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                          • #59
                            I am going to disagree with you slightly on this one Jason. I don't see a problem yet. There are a lot of rules to a lot of things. Golf itself has a lot of rules. If we are trying to treat this as "not just a computer game" then we welcome people with similar interests. These people will understand even if it is a lot to take in. I am confident that the rules are necessary. As long as we can keep it at 1 or 2 sheets of paper then it won't be a problem.

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                            • #60
                              The tee is not in the middle of the two sensor rows. So putting with ball means that you can't setup the putter right in the middle, without ball this is possible. This could be the difference. So the putting setup with ball has to be a bit different.

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