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  • Proposed New Online Play Guidelines for the Optishot Online Tour - final draft

    The Optishot Tour Management Board

    1. The Optishot Tour Board consists of 4 Board Members and a Tour Secretary.

    2. They will manage The Optishot Online Tour, managing the guidelines and tournaments, as well as overseeing the integrity and regulations of play by all members.

    3. They will review all applications for setting changes and review all evidence provided before making their decision. They must publish a formal statement relating to the setting change if approved

    4. They will handle all reports of breaches of the following guidelines by way of a closed discussion, and administer the penalties in accordance with the guidelines below. They must publish formal statements relating to the breach and penalty applied.

    5. They have the powers to apply leniency in the event of supporting evidence. In such event a full disclosure of the information and reason for leniency must be published alongside the statement to not award/reduce the penalty.

    6. A current list of Board Members is found at


    http://golfsimulatorforum.com/forum/...-online-league



    Ball Settings

    1. Players MUST set the ball type to the actual ball they are physically hitting. Players are to hit either a Real ball or Foam ball if their setup allows, due to unreliable data from the No Ball setting.


    Clubset Settings

    1. Players Driver settings MUST be set the to following, dependant on the ball and turf type they are using.

    a. Real Ball, Stock Turf - 100% Speed, 88% Distance.............

    b. Real Ball, Thick Turf - 100% Speed 88% Distance...............

    c. Foam Ball, Stock Turf - 93% Speed, 88% Distance.............

    d. Foam Ball, Thick Turf - 100% Speed, 88% Distance..............

    e. No Ball Setting - 100% Speed 88% Distance ......................

    2. Players MUST set the Loft Setting of all clubs to the loft of the club they are physically hitting

    3. If using a 3 wood instead of Driver due to Height Restrictions Use Identical settings to those you would normally use as per your ball and turf setup above.

    4. 3 wood and 5 wood MUST NOT exceed Speed % relative to your own personal ball and turf setup as above, but Distance % Settings MAY be up to MAX 100% Most players seem to find 100 % Speed, 100 % Distance is perfect, however if you find distances are long then set to 100% Speed 90% Distance or whatever it is to make them correct. Loft setting may have an effect here as with the irons

    5. Players Irons MUST be set to achieve real world distances and both Speed% and Distance % settings may be altered up or down to achieve the correct distances.

    6. Players may set the Putter Speed % Setting between 80% and 100% to reflect there real life Putting stroke. The Distance % MUST remain at 100%
    When Putting, players MUST hit either a real or foam ball, unless using the No Ball Setting for the whole round.

    7. Players MUST NOT carry out any adjustments to any Clubset Settings during a round.

    8. Any individual Driver, 3 or 5 wood settings outside of the above guidelines may be adjusted to a different % ONLY if evidence from an external device, ie TRACKMAN/GC2/FLIGHTSCOPE etc can prove without doubt that a persons Swing Speed/Distance is not being accurately read by Optishot and an adjustment away from the settings above is required. This change would need to be approved by the Board on a case by case basis.

    9 - Penalty . Anyone found in breach of the above settings or using settings for any club to falsely significantly improve their ability or gameplay (ie, hitting a PW 250 yards) shall be removed from the Tournament and/or face further action as the Board do see fit. Minor breaches may be subject to stroke penalties or warnings at the discrepancy of The Board on a case by case basis



    ​Trajectory Settings

    1. The Highest Trajectory setting MUST NEVER be used off the tee or for approach shots from the fairway/rough purely in order to gain yardage but is to be used in situations when a higher trajectory is required to clear obstacles or obstructions. All other trajectory settings may be used and altered at any time with any club during a round

    2 - Penalty - Anyone found in breach of the above guideline shall be awarded a 2 stroke penalty for each individual offence.



    Screen Recording Requirement

    1. All Players MUST record/stream their rounds and upload them via Twitch or Youtube within 24 hours of completing their round

    2. Before starting their round the video MUST show the Players Ball Setting and Clubset Settings for EVERY club.

    3. Videos MAY be recorded at double speed and lower quality to reduce upload times. However the video stream MUST be of a quality good enough that Ball, Clubset Details and general play is viewable and able to be assessed for any breaches of guidelines.

    4. A link to your uploaded video/past broadcast must be put in the relevant tournament forum thread to allow Players and Board members to verify your round


    5. There are multiple software options for recording your gameplay. The common one used by many Players is the OBS software, which as well as making recordings to your computer, would also allow to you to stream your rounds live for all to see. Full instructions describing how to setup the OBS software can be found here:




    6. If the settings from the above thread do not work sufficiently for your hardware/internet speed, please read through the settings guide in the link below as OBS software has a variety of settings that can be changed to hopefully allow live streaming and direct uploading to Twitch, all be it at a lower quality

    http://help.twitch.tv/customer/porta...aster-software

    7 - Penalty - Anyone who fails to upload their round within 24 hours shall be removed from the Tournament. If you believe you will be unable to upload do to issues outside of your control please contact The Board to discuss other arrangements. Failure to post a link in the forum thread may also result in removal from the tournament, so don't forget.

    8. - Reporting - If when viewing another Players uploaded video you spot what you believe to be a breach of any of these guidelines you are to report it to The Board, giving the Players Name, a link to the video, the breach you wish to report, and the time that the proposed breach occurs.



    Gameplay Format

    1. Tournaments will be either set in 2-4 Rounds for each Event. Matches will be created on Wednesday for 2 Round Tournament, and Monday for Majors. Invitations, sent directly to your Optishot and notified via Email, will go out on Thursday for 2 Round, and Tuesday for Majors, so you can join the matches that were created in Optishot Online Room. Please Pay attention to the Round you enter. TourRD1A means round 1 first group. TourRD1B means round 1 second group and so on.

    2. 2 Round Tournaments will begin on Thursday, and 4 Round Majors will start on Tuesday, both Tournaments will End Sunday Night at 10PM EST, all rounds need to be completed so Tournament can be close out. Invites however may go out earlier but the dates for each tournament will be published in the tournament specific thread on these forums. If all Rounds are not completed then a Player will be given a final score of DNF and place last in the Event.

    3. Once you begin a Round you must complete that Round. If you exit the Round before completion you will be disqualified from the Tournament. However if this is due to circumstance beyond your control, ie power cut or software error, this will be dealt with on a case by case basis by the Board, using the Video Recording/Streaming of the event as evidence


    ****************** Scorecard


    1. After accepting your invite and when starting your round on Optishot you must also select Play Round for the corresponding round on the My Tournaments tab on the ****************** website

    2. Scores for all Rounds will be entered in Live format. Entry will be done after completion of each hole and player must enter score the for each on the website. This will give players the opportunity to know where they sit during game play and give live in running scores


    3. All scorecards will be verified and any scorecard that is inaccurate is subject to a 2 stroke penalty for EACH Entry that is incorrect. If it is found that the entry was done on purpose it will result in disqualification from the Tournament
    .

    Handicapping

    1. The ****************** website carrys out automatic handicapping of players based on scores players acheive in completed rounds. However it needs 4 completed rounds worth of data to complete. In order to speed up the process slightly once a player has completed one Tournament a manual assessment of a players handicap will be carried out and they will be assigned an conservative handicap for the next tournament. Once the 2nd tournament has been completed the system should then have enough data to give a Player his automatic handicap. Details of how the Automatic Handicapping System works can be found here

    http://www.******************/info.html

    2. Adjustments to this handicap can also be manually made and currently The Optishot Online Tour does not allow negative handicaps. Because of this the lowest handicap player will always play off of an index of 0. If the System allocated handicap was -4, then that player, and all others will have their handicaps raised by 4 strokes.

    Eg. All player have completed a minimum of 4 rounds and System has assigned them a Handicap of -

    Player 1: Handicap -4
    Player 2: Handicap 2
    Player 3: Handicap 10

    As The Optishot Tour doesn't allow negative handicaps every Player will have 4 strokes added to their Handicap so the for the next tournament:

    Player 1: Handicap 0
    Player 2: Handicap 6
    Player 3: Handicap 14

    A video showing the process is found here




    3. This system is under constant review and possible to change so please keep up to date with the current system discussion on these forums.

    http://golfsimulatorforum.com/forum/...ot-online-tour



    Please read fully and understand rules above, ensure you have the OBS recording software installed and tested, and familiarise yourself with both the Optishot Software, The ****************** website and these forums

    Once you are fully setup and ready to take part in an event, have completed the necessary Clubset Settings, have Screen Recording Software in place, and are fully familiar with all the above Rules and guideline please post below that you have read, fully understood and agree to comply with all the above.

    Welcome to the Optishot Online Tour
    Last edited by JohnMeyer; 01-09-2015, 06:08 PM.

  • #61
    Originally posted by Willymakit View Post
    The other option with so many rules is just maybe when a newbie looks at all these rules it will be so over whelming that they just won't join. There's alot of informaction to take in.

    I know when I first started a couple months ago I thought that there was a lot to take in. And that's half of what there is now.

    Most of it is essential though, Club Settings especially. I know when I joined i felt there was a bit too little info and had to ask questions and read multiple forum posts to get what was going on. It was fine, but then hopefully things have moved on now and trying to make something better.

    Putting settings - Ill just go with

    When putting, players must hit either a real or foam ball, however this is not dependant upon the ball type you use throughout your round. However, if you play No Ball Setting for your normal Round may you putt without a ball Eg, If you use a foam ball normally, you may putt with a real ball if you prefer, with no need to change the ball setting in software.

    I think that will provide enough cover. If you tap in from 2 inches without a ball then i cant imagine anyone would mind, or even be able to tell. i just dont wanna go down the setting distance rules etc etc. Really if you take a stance you should use a ball but i think common sense would prevail here.

    Will edit opening post again

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    • #62
      Originally posted by JohnMeyer View Post
      Im happy with whatever as fully agree important to make sure people following the rules, just not sure it has to every player every round uploaded but if thats whats decided is required to ensure validity of results then will have to comply
      You bring up some interesting points and valid reasons not to have a stream or video available. I guess I am conflicted on this. I feel strongly that each round should be viewable but anyone in order to keep the integrity of the game intact. On the other hand I understand the predicament you are in, using your phone as a hot spot and data limits, as well as the youtube upload time.

      What about the incentive to stream / record idea I have been tossing around? The "bonus points" for doing so do not necessarily have to be double as I previously mentioned in example. What about a simple 10%-20% (or whatever number we come up with) bonus to your points for the tournament for streaming?

      Another idea I guess would be to make adjustments to the handicap based on streaming? Say something like you get half your handicap if you don't stream or record and the full amount if you do?

      I don't know what the solution is here, these are just ideas. I strongly encourage the idea of having video available for review. With out it how will we know if all of this time with settings has been worth it or not?

      Like I said I understand your problems, I would like to find a reasonable way to resolve them. Perhaps we could lean on the ProTee guys and see how they handle streaming / recording rounds. Is it required? If so how do they handle people with limitations? Perhaps, like the club settings, if one could prove to the board they legitimately can not stream they could get a waiver to record all rounds and upload them on demand while leaving the rule in place that streaming / recording is mandatory for those who are able?

      Just talking out loud...

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Aurincoynen View Post
        I am going to disagree with you slightly on this one Jason. I don't see a problem yet. There are a lot of rules to a lot of things. Golf itself has a lot of rules. If we are trying to treat this as "not just a computer game" then we welcome people with similar interests. These people will understand even if it is a lot to take in. I am confident that the rules are necessary. As long as we can keep it at 1 or 2 sheets of paper then it won't be a problem.
        The other reason why I say this is because if you ever go to online matches. You see lots of names that I don't reconize.

        So either they don't know about the tourney or just won't bother joining or being overwhelmed by to much information.
        After reading all the rules there's alot to take in.

        But I do under stand there has to be guidelines or else people will take advantage of the situation.

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        • #64
          Obviously i wouldnt be happy with being disadvantaged be it by handicapping or points because of circumstances outside of my control but I see your logic. To be fair if its just a matter of uploading then I will.

          I think with this one for the time being we should leave it as is in the guidelines as a minimum record, and ill see if I can find some low speed stream settings.

          i am gonna have a play with OBS settings and see if on lowest quality it will stream.



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          • #65
            Originally posted by JohnMeyer View Post
            When putting, players must hit either a real or foam ball, however this is not dependant upon the ball type you use throughout your round. However, if you play No Ball Setting for your normal Round may you putt without a ball Eg, If you use a foam ball normally, you may putt with a real ball if you prefer, with no need to change the ball setting in software.
            I think this is a bit to complicated.

            Shortening to this would make more sense to me:

            Originally posted by JohnMeyer View Post
            When putting, players must hit either a real or foam ball
            We also should discuss penalties I guess. 2 strokes for all violations I assume? I log in and play 9 holes and realize my drive is set to 100% & 100% I assume 2 stroke penalty for each time I hit the driver? Same for loft and putting issues?

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            • #66
              Originally posted by JohnMeyer View Post
              Obviously i wouldnt be happy with being disadvantaged be it by handicapping or points because of circumstances outside of my control but I see your logic. To be fair if its just a matter of uploading then I will.
              Sure and it was just a suggestion. I was looking for a long term solution for all players, not just yourself.

              I like an incentive for streaming or recording. Sort of a"bonus" if you can do it, but not game changing if you can't. That would encourage people to stream instead of discouraging those who can't. Rather be a positive than a negative even though the results are the same.

              One issue may be how the points are calculated. I am not sure if the main ****************** site will allow "bonus points" and if it will, I can only imagine (after watching the handicap videos) how complicated it would be to change everyone's points every tournament.

              I am open to suggestions here but I would strongly like to find a way to encourage players to stream or record and upload. To be honest when it became optional we probably lost 3-5 streamers, myself included.
              Last edited by Buckeye; 01-06-2015, 09:59 PM.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Buckeye View Post

                Like I said I understand your problems, I would like to find a reasonable way to resolve them. Perhaps we could lean on the ProTee guys and see how they handle streaming / recording rounds. Is it required? If so how do they handle people with limitations? Perhaps, like the club settings, if one could prove to the board they legitimately can not stream they could get a waiver to record all rounds and upload them on demand while leaving the rule in place that streaming / recording is mandatory for those who are able?

                Just talking out loud...
                For ProTee, we require that every round must be played with at least one other tour player. We use turn based online play where you see all of the other guys shots. Streaming is only required if the player can't find anybody to play with and can only get his round in by playing solo. Solo play is not allowed if you're first or second on the leaderboard.


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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Willymakit View Post

                  The other reason why I say this is because if you ever go to online matches. You see lots of names that I don't reconize..
                  When I first arrived here I made a big recruiting push. I am not sure how many current members saw my posts or username. I created an "******************" user and spam created rooms to reach those people. I also spammed the OptiShot facebook page with our league information. During the few days I did that it seemed like membership increased by 2-4 people per day. I think there was 8-10 people here when I arrived.

                  I can go back to doing that, but to be perfectly honest I wasn't sure how long I was going to stick around here with the old rules and drama. However we seem to be past that, so I am not opposed to another recruiting campaign.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Buckeye View Post

                    Sure and it was just a suggestion. I was looking for a long term solution for all players, not just yourself.

                    I like an incentive for streaming or recording. Sort of a"bonus" if you can do it, but not game changing if you can't. That would encourage people to stream instead of discouraging those who can't. Rather be a positive than a negative even though the results are the same.

                    One issue may be how the points are calculated. I am not sure if the main ****************** site will allow "bonus points" and if it will, I can only imagine (after watching the handicap videos) how complicated it would be to change everyone's points every tournament.

                    I am open to suggestions here but I would strongly like to find a way to encourage players to stream or record and upload. To be honest when it became optional we probably lost 3-5 streamers, myself included.

                    Yeah wasn't having a moan, much like yourself just after a rule that can fit with the majority

                    It all depends on how you view streaming and what purpose it serves.

                    If its for rule adherence verification then streaming/later upload is no difference I guess, live streaming in my opinion is purely a nicety not a necessity. I personally don;t believe you should be rewarded for allowing someone to watch your rounds live, its just a cool thing to do.

                    However I do see the need for rounds to be available for others to check on and make sure that rules are being followed. It just comes down to how possible that is. If someone couldn't do it would you say that they prob shouldnt be on the tour.As harsh as that is perhaps that's how its got to be if we are to have a fair tour.

                    Hopefully Ill be able to get some settings sorted to stream live but if not will just have to make sure I upload rounds overnight if that is the ruling that comes in.

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                    • #70
                      Opening Post updated, New putting language, and Video Recording Rules

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by JohnMeyer View Post
                        Opening Post updated, New putting language, and Video Recording Rules
                        John Looks good bud, but I still don't see a minimum requirement in regards to Video, Are we ok with just Screen Shot, the minimum needs to be stated... Looks Great I hope to get this to the Board ASAP, once video is amended.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by CatMan View Post

                          John Looks good bud, but I still don't see a minimum requirement in regards to Video, Are we ok with just Screen Shot, the minimum needs to be stated... Looks Great I hope to get this to the Board ASAP, once video is amended.
                          When you say screen shot, do you mean a screen shot of their score card? Like a picture? Or do you mean a screen grab video?

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Zmax View Post

                            For ProTee, we require that every round must be played with at least one other tour player. We use turn based online play where you see all of the other guys shots. Streaming is only required if the player can't find anybody to play with and can only get his round in by playing solo. Solo play is not allowed if you're first or second on the leaderboard.

                            Thank you.

                            This might be able to work for us. For those who don't stream or record, to play with another.

                            I am not familiar with the protee so I don't know how your settings are. I guess at this stage with us, we are being pretty detailed in the settings and it would only make sense to have people verify them, something that could not be done even playing with a partner turn based, but would require video.

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                            • #74
                              Oops updated pst didnt change it, will redo it now

                              Im so torn on what to do with the video.

                              Im pretty sure with some settings tweaks ill be able to stream even with 0.5mbs uploadspeed . Quality may not be great but good enough to provide evidence of my round which is all were after i guess.

                              I think really minimum has to be an uploaded video if we want to be able to truly verify rounds. However if thats not possible do we really wanna say if you cant do that you cant play on tour.

                              There are lots of ways to make video file sizes smaller etc etc but only so much you can do.

                              I just hate the thopught of excluding someone because they have a poor spec pc and poor internet. It just doesnt seem right to me, as nothing they can do about it

                              Equally though weve got ot be able to properly verify what settings they have and what theyre doing whilst playing, so got to provide a video of full round really

                              Ill update OP now

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                              • #75
                                for some reason it wont let me edit the opening post again, will post my current draft below
                                Last edited by JohnMeyer; 01-06-2015, 11:08 PM.

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